jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA | reply to openbox9
Re: Policy goals and rules are different things
Managing their network is different than what they're doing. There's Qos and there's altering their customer's data. Traffic prioritisation is very differnt than redirection. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA | reply to openbox9
Right. "Shaping" & "throttling" competing services' traffic is also a net neutralitiy issue. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| If it is competing then yes. Otherwise, the ISP is simply managing a large swath of very troubling and resource intensive traffic on their network. This would also be different if the ISP singled out The Pirate Bay for example in the P2P management and left the remainder of BT traffic flowing freely. |
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morbo
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clubs: | reply to TKJunkMail
despite what you may think, you just saying something doesn't make it so. |
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morbo
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clubs: | reply to openbox9
as long as the law takes into account the best interests of the business community and its consumers (and not best interests of dumb-pipe providers like comcast and at&t), then the net neutrality laws will make comcasts actions illegal. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | I seriously doubt you will ever see an ISPs ability to manage their network made illegal. If you do, get ready for price increases and/or decreases in service offerings. |
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CableTool
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said by SilverSurfer  :said by TKJunkMail :But none of this is even new. Why does this subject have to be rehashed over and over and over? Because you are clearly one of the minority who seems to think it perfectly OK to advertise an all you can eat buffet for X price and then change your mind about it when the customer actually does so. They have never advertised an ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFET.
They advertised a WE NEVER CLOSE buffet. 
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morbo
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clubs: | reply to openbox9
manage a network and degrade and block certain legitimate traffic are two different things.
it's important that everyone understand the issue clearly. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by morbo :manage a network and degrade and block certain legitimate traffic are two different things. it's important that everyone understand the issue clearly. If I'm managing a network and it is getting pummeled by abusive users, I will cap and shape whatever needs to be done to bring the network back to a nominal level for a majority of my customers. You say degrade, I say shape. You say block, I say who's blocking? Capping is a good solution and shaping is good for the peak times of use that the abusive users get online. |
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morbo
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clubs: | semantic debate that will be settled with appropriate net neutrality laws. let's see who wins... |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | It's not a debate of semantics, it's network management. I'll go back to my original statement that I believe there will be a lot of disappointed BBR readers if your net neutrality law ever sees daylight. |
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espaeth
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join:2001-04-21
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said by morbo :manage a network and degrade and block certain legitimate traffic are two different things. Ok, I'll play.
How does one manage capacity without interfering with at least some quantity of traffic? |
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