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2006 Honda Civic :(

So I took my Honda in to the dealer to find out what is wrong with it. (noises from rear tires area and engine noises) Here's what is wrong...

1) bearings on both rear tires are bad
2) idler pully bad
3) broken engine mount
3) leaking power steering pump

Roughly $400 in parts and $600 in labor...I told them to order the parts and I'll do the labor myself...

This is after having to have the engine block replaced 6 months ago because there was a pinhole leak between cylinders that was spewing radiator fluid...lucky for me that covered that even though I was out of warranty by a few thousand (8K) miles, or else that would have ran me about $5,000 - $6,000.

I thought Hondas were supposed to be reliable? That's why I bought this car, because I use my car for work! (80,000 miles in 1.5 yrs)

Anyway, does anyone know where I can pick up a shop manual? The dealer didn't seem to have any in stock, and I can't seem to find any online...

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

This is one option:
»www.alldatadiy.com/
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Any car can have issues - I have had no real issues with my Honda even though I took it to the race track 6 times and flogged it.

One car with problems does not mean they are unreliable. Note, however, that Honda at least fixed something technically out of warranty and for me that is a huger difference when compared to some other car companies.

My IL's Honda mini-van had a tranny recall - no matter the mileage if there was damage to the tranny - it was replaced for free. No damage? They fixed the problem - free.

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

said by CylonRed See Profile :

One car with problems does not mean they are unreliable. Note, however, that Honda at least fixed something technically out of warranty and for me that is a huger difference when compared to some other car companies.
That's not all that impressive now days. Chrysler did the same thing with my friend's Grand Caravan. The company's that do not do that are the minority these days. There is so much competition out there now, domestic and import branded, they are all trying for brand loyalty.
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

And Chrysler gave us the finger when we inquired about our vans tranny when it died without warning (30 year30K mile only - no exceptions). Sorry - it is still the exception in my and people I know experience...

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said by CylonRed See Profile :

And Chrysler gave us the finger when we inquired about our vans tranny when it died without warning (30 year30K mile only - no exceptions). Sorry - it is still the exception in my and people I knows experience...
I half expected such a reply. But what can I say? I guess it sucked to be you guys.

But my point was not about a particular brand. My point is backed up by looking at the warranty many auto makers and dealers are offering these days. You are seeing more and more 50,000, 80,000, 100,000 mile, even limited lifetime warranties.
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

I have a 2007 Mustang that had the transmission go bad at 4300 miles. The dealer attempted to blame me for racing the car, lol. Eventually the service guys shut up and replaced the transmission. I have pretty much lost faith in new cars.

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were you racing it? I mean honestly if you were the tranny went out then it really isn't Ford's responsibility to replace it. It's a consumer car, not a 'race car'.

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said by genius1 :

were you racing it? I mean honestly if you were the tranny went out then it really isn't Ford's responsibility to replace it. It's a consumer car, not a 'race car'.
ROFLMAO! No I wasn't racing it. It's a V6, but you didn't know that, so good question.

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And the key to the statement is - limited... I just made sure I got a new tranny that was not a Chrysler as I would only get the same 3 year/36K mile warranty. I now have a better, but more expensive, tranny that I trust more than the schlock that was in the car to begin with.

Huge mileage warranties mean virtually nothing as there are PLENTY of loopholes for the manufacturer to avoid paying for problems - even if they are well known.

Give me a better car with a 3 year/36K miles warranty over a so-so car with huge - but limited warranty any day and a car manufacturer that really gives a flying leap about their customers any day.

I have yet to see anything that Chrysler/GM or Ford has changed their stripes recently.

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

You have a non-Chrysler transmission in your van? Extremely doubtful. No aftermarket transmissions are made for the minivan. Just because you bought it from a different supplier with their own warranty does not mean it is a not a Chrysler part.

Anyway, cjski, to answer your question, there are a lot of sources for repair manuals for your car. Ebay has both the official Honda service manual, and others from Haynes and Chilton. Online book stores carry many, and just about any of your local auto parts stores should carry the books. But only the Honda dealer and a place like ebay will you be able to find the official Honda service manual.
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

Chrysler exterior but sturdier parts than Chrysler OEM and a longer warranty to boot.

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said by CylonRed See Profile :

And the key to the statement is - limited...
Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicles sold after July 26, 2007 come with that limited lifetime powertrain warranty. It includes the engine, transmission, and drive system. 100% labor and parts. The limited part is not a big deal. It simply means the warranty is good for the first registered owner only, and the vehicle must have a powertrain inspection done by the dealership every 5 years, at no cost to you. Buying a used version, making you the second or later register owner, reverts the warranty back to the standard 3 year 36,000 version.

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

By definition it is limited... Funny that a big deal is made for not only limited warranty that lasts a long time but one that only applies to the original owner. When Honda had issues with their minivan tranny's - the transmissions were inspected and if damaged replaced for free and if there was no damage - they fixed the issue - no matter the mileage and owner.

They also increased the warranty for our Accord Wagon - for the emissions specifically. They replaced the rotor, cap, wires, plugs oil, oil filter, and inspected and replaced any emissions related items that failed the inspection - for free no matter who the owner was.

THAT is a real warranty and that is the type of company that will get my business.

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That all depends on the dealership. Some dealers will say, ok, we'll get that fixed for you. Others will say, sorry, thats not covered under warranty (even if it is covered) and most people will just take thier word for it and dish out a ton of $ to get it fixed.

Theres even still a lot of dealerships that refuse to fix an unrealated problem if you have aftermarket parts on your car.

Back OT...

Do you drive your car hard? Busting a motor mount after only 1 1/2 years is pretty rare to my knowledge. Do you live in a place that has sub freezing winters and 90+ degree summers? Do you travel a lot on gravel/dirt? Is it really dusty? I beleive those situations can severely limit the lifespan of some things, like the mounts and bearings.

You could have also gotten the car that the quality control inspector forgot to inspect, lol. Seriously though, Its a first model year for the new civic, and they still have a few kinks to work out apperantly.

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I've only had problems with Civics. My family's accords 1991's to the 1999 that we have, (we have total of 5 accords in the family), have never had any problems.
The 1 civic we have, is having the same problems as you. Rear bearings are bad, frond drivers bearing is bad. Engine mound needs repair, pully is going, small leak in the intake.

That car is driving me nuts.
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2006 is it already out of warranty?

BTW my last Civic 95 5th Gen was bulletproof, 150k mile when sold. Only thing I had repaired was CV boots, condesor and alternator. And No I never riced it out.

BTW I would go back and complain and escalate it to manager and then regional and try to get goodwill pricing if it's out of warranty.
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I have problems with my Honda 2000 Accord LX I've spent about $4000 in repairs this year.

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

Here is a good article on secret warranties. Things the automakers don't want you to know.

»www.autosafety.org/article.php?d···scid=112

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From NHTSA website

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
HONDA / CIVIC 2006-2007
Recall Number: 07V399000
Summary:
ON CERTAIN VEHICLES, THE WHEEL SPEED SENSOR HOUSING USES AN O-RING SEAL TO PREVENT LEAKAGE TO OR FROM THE WHEEL BEARING. IF ASSEMBLED IMPROPERLY, THE O-RING MAY NOT SEAL PROPERLY ALLOWING WATER TO ENTER THE WHEEL BEARING AND EVENTUALLY CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BEARING, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE USE OF ROAD SALT IS PREVALENT. IF THE DRIVER CONTINUES TO DRIVE WITH THIS CONDITION IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE WHEEL BEARING TO BECOME LOOSE, WHICH COULD CAUSE THE BEARING TO FAIL.
Consequence:
THIS COULD CAUSE A WHEEL TO FALL OFF OF THE VEHICLE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE REAR ABS SENSORS AND WHEEL BEARINGS FOR DAMAGED PARTS AND REPLACE THEM FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 25, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Notes:
HONDA RECALL NO. Q56. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.
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cjski
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

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said by the_doctor See Profile :

From NHTSA website

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
HONDA / CIVIC 2006-2007
Recall Number: 07V399000
Summary:
ON CERTAIN VEHICLES, THE WHEEL SPEED SENSOR HOUSING USES AN O-RING SEAL TO PREVENT LEAKAGE TO OR FROM THE WHEEL BEARING. IF ASSEMBLED IMPROPERLY, THE O-RING MAY NOT SEAL PROPERLY ALLOWING WATER TO ENTER THE WHEEL BEARING AND EVENTUALLY CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BEARING...
Well they did the inspection and said that the o-ring was fine...oh, and by the way, both of your bearings are bad...

That's not someting I would normally expect to happen in 80K miles, so I called the 1-800 number and started a dispute with them...

In the meantime, I picked up all the parts to fix the other items listed (including wheel bearings), which will save me $600 in labor...but I may need help with somee info.

As I stated previously, I can't seem to track down a shop manual for a 2006 civic (too new), including the dealer and alldata.com, so I may have questions when I start getting into it.

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

said by cjski See Profile :

Well they did the inspection and said that the o-ring was fine
But it says "DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE REAR ABS SENSORS AND WHEEL BEARINGS FOR DAMAGED PARTS AND REPLACE THEM FREE OF CHARGE"

Dealer inspected found a bad bearing and didnt replace it? I'd file a complaint with NHTSA about the dealer not honoring a recall. Dealer gets paid actual cost for parts and about 75% of labor costs they charge you for warranty or recall work.... they make more profit just to bill you for the service or even sell you the parts! $$$$ is the main motivator for dealers! You'd be surprised the crazy parts markup they have.

In the meantime, I picked up all the parts to fix the other items listed (including wheel bearings), which will save me $600 in labor...but I may need help with somee info.
Next time don't buy parts from the dealer. Im sure that $400 in parts you could have gotten the same exact stuff for $300 if you shop around. Or probably 1/2 of if you buy the "aftermarket" parts from the OEM parts supplier.
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said by the_doctor See Profile :

From NHTSA website

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
HONDA / CIVIC 2006-2007
Recall Number: 07V399000
Summary:
ON CERTAIN VEHICLES, THE WHEEL SPEED SENSOR HOUSING USES AN O-RING SEAL TO PREVENT LEAKAGE TO OR FROM THE WHEEL BEARING. IF ASSEMBLED IMPROPERLY, THE O-RING MAY NOT SEAL PROPERLY ALLOWING WATER TO ENTER THE WHEEL BEARING AND EVENTUALLY CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BEARING, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE USE OF ROAD SALT IS PREVALENT. IF THE DRIVER CONTINUES TO DRIVE WITH THIS CONDITION IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE WHEEL BEARING TO BECOME LOOSE, WHICH COULD CAUSE THE BEARING TO FAIL.
Consequence:
THIS COULD CAUSE A WHEEL TO FALL OFF OF THE VEHICLE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE REAR ABS SENSORS AND WHEEL BEARINGS FOR DAMAGED PARTS AND REPLACE THEM FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 25, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Notes:
HONDA RECALL NO. Q56. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.
Do you think this is also applicable to other Civics in other countries?

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Actually not really the best is Helm the ones the professionals use. If you are going to be working on your car alot invest in it.

»www.helminc.com/helm/Result.asp?···TTRM8TW6
cjski
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

said by Warzau See Profile :

Actually not really the best is Helm the ones the professionals use. If you are going to be working on your car alot invest in it.

»www.helminc.com/helm/Result.asp?···TTRM8TW6
I still don't see the correct shop manual listed at your link...they do have supplements for the SI, Hybrid & Natural gas vehicles, but I don't see the one for just a plain old civic.

Thanks

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That's it »www.helminc.com/helm/product2.as···9R5D38LC it covers 2 doors and 4 door and SI then like you saw they have a supplement manual for SI.

When I got mine for my MDX it had all models well the two that was that year my MDX was.

IF you want to be 100 percent sure call them.

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said by cjski See Profile :

I thought Hondas were supposed to be reliable? That's why I bought this car, because I use my car for work! (80,000 miles in 1.5 yrs)
why, because Honda told you that?...honda's aren't any more reliable than a chevy or ford...creative marketing has "sold the public" on their perceived quality...in the end, they are just another cheap car, made by the same kinds of people and robots that make the ford's and chevy's out there, all put together with parts from the lowest bidder.
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

said by cjski See Profile :

I thought Hondas were supposed to be reliable? That's why I bought this car, because I use my car for work! (80,000 miles in 1.5 yrs)
why, because Honda told you that?...honda's aren't any more reliable than a chevy or ford...creative marketing has "sold the public" on their perceived quality...in the end, they are just another cheap car, made by the same kinds of people and robots that make the ford's and chevy's out there, all put together with parts from the lowest bidder.
Data collected by Consumer Reports indicates that Hondas are more reliable than Fords, Chevrolets, or most other makes for that matter. Do you have data that indicates otherwise?
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said by markwp2001 See Profile :

Data collected by Consumer Reports indicates that Hondas are more reliable than Fords, Chevrolets, or most other makes for that matter. Do you have data that indicates otherwise?
sure do:

»www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/probl···arch.cfm
research the number of recalls on the following cars at the NHTSA website for a 2002 model Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Chevy Cavalier, VW Jetta and Toyota Corolla (as all of these cars are now 5 years old and all compete directly against each other).

what you will find is this:

Chevy Cavalier: 2 recalls
Toyota Corolla: 2 recalls
Ford Focus: 4 recalls
VW Jetta: 6 recalls
Honda Civic: 12 recalls
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

said by markwp2001 See Profile :

Data collected by Consumer Reports indicates that Hondas are more reliable than Fords, Chevrolets, or most other makes for that matter. Do you have data that indicates otherwise?
sure do:

»www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/probl···arch.cfm
research the number of recalls on the following cars at the NHTSA website for a 2002 model Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Chevy Cavalier, VW Jetta and Toyota Corolla (as all of these cars are now 5 years old and all compete directly against each other).

what you will find is this:

Chevy Cavalier: 2 recalls
Toyota Corolla: 2 recalls
Ford Focus: 4 recalls
VW Jetta: 6 recalls
Honda Civic: 12 recalls
Recalls are not an all encompassing indication of reliability or durability.

I searched that site, I got 3 recalls from American Honda for the Civic. Not 12.

Of those 3 recalls, one is a check for an assembly error
that applies to less than 300 vehicles, another applies only to a CNG model.

Nine of the results listed are AFTERMARKET LIGHTS, lights produced by other manufacturers as accessories for the vehicle.

If someone has a chip on their shoulder and is unjustly slagging Ford by misrepresenting facts, I'm going to correct them.

Same holds true here in the case of Honda.

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

said by 3SGTE See Profile :

Nine of the results listed are AFTERMARKET LIGHTS, lights produced by other manufacturers as accessories for the vehicle.
heads up...car makers make very little of what is in their cars...almost everything is made by someone else...so using your logic, if you think Ford cars are crappy, don't blame Ford, all they make is the engine.

second of all, i decided to use the same search for 2005 models and here is the result:

Ford Focus: 1 Light recall, 2 others
Honda Civic: 3 Light recalls, 1 other
VW Jetta: 2 Light recalls, 2 other
Chevy Cobalt: 1 Light recall, 1 other
Toyota Corolla: 2 Light recalls, 0 other

My point?...all cars are about the same, so anyone who says Honda's are way better than Ford's (or whatever brand vs another brand) doesn't know what they are talking about.
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

As noted recalls do not tell all of a story - it is merely a beginning. Out of all of the cars I have owned - my Honda is far better than anything else I have had. Beats my coworker's Taurus in his Taurus has had to replace a lot more items than I have ever had to in the 12 years I have owned my Honda - and his Ford is newer than my Honda.

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

my taurus is almost 8 years old and it has been a very good car...like everything in life, your mileage may vary.

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said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

said by 3SGTE See Profile :

Nine of the results listed are AFTERMARKET LIGHTS, lights produced by other manufacturers as accessories for the vehicle.
heads up...car makers make very little of what is in their cars...almost everything is made by someone else...so using your logic, if you think Ford cars are crappy, don't blame Ford, all they make is the engine.
Let me spell it out for you.
These lights have no relationship whatsoever to Honda.
These are the ugly "ricer specials" that are produced for cosmetic reasons, or as aftermarket replacements for bodyshops.

Here is a disclaimer copied verbatim from one of the recalls:
said by NHTSA :

THIS RECALL ONLY PERTAINS TO AFTERMARKET HEADLAMP ASSEMBLIES MANUFACTURED BY ANZO AND HAS NO RELATION TO ANY ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT INSTALLED ON THE LISTED PASSENGER VEHICLES.
Caps are as copied from text of recall.

The lights do not meet NHTSA specs, this is why they have been recalled.

Lets face it, you tried to pull a fast one. It is time to suck it up and admit you got caught.
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

i wasn't pulling a fast one, i simply did a quick search and posted the number of recalls issued...that's why i did it again and separated the light recalls from standard ones on my next post...my point still stands, they are all fairly equal.

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said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

i wasn't pulling a fast one, i simply did a quick search and posted the number of recalls issued...that's why i did it again and separated the light recalls from standard ones on my next post...my point still stands, they are all fairly equal.
You are as stubborn as a mule. Recalls are one small indicator of reliability. These charts are a better indication.
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Filing an official complaint is probably the right thing to do, but complaining to American Honda will probably get them done for free.

Especially if there is any evidence of water entry.
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I don't trust those charts as they should take the info when the car is a few years old. Impossible for new cars I know.
I usually go by used prices in the local auto trader. Most expensive is always toyota, honda,

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said by Rifleman See Profile :

I don't trust those charts as they should take the info when the car is a few years old. Impossible for new cars I know.
I usually go by used prices in the local auto trader. Most expensive is always toyota, honda,
Sorry, I meant to post their statement as to how the chart was made. Here it is.
These charts help you compare our Predicted Reliability Ratings for 2008 models within the same category. To create them, we calculate an overall reliability score for each of the three newest model years (2005, 2006, and 2007) provided the vehicle hasn't changed significantly in that time. Three-year data are a good predictor since most new models for this year are essentially the same as earlier models. Extra weight is given to some components, including the engine (major problems), cooling, transmission (major problems), and drive system. Each overall reliability score is compared with the average of all vehicles in our survey for that model year. The yearly differences are combined to give the Predicted Reliability score shown as percent. This overall average is the zero line in the charts. The bars represent the percentage by which each model was better or worse than the average.

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