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tim_k
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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

said by Rifleman See Profile :

I don't trust those charts as they should take the info when the car is a few years old. Impossible for new cars I know.
I usually go by used prices in the local auto trader. Most expensive is always toyota, honda,
Sorry, I meant to post their statement as to how the chart was made. Here it is.
These charts help you compare our Predicted Reliability Ratings for 2008 models within the same category. To create them, we calculate an overall reliability score for each of the three newest model years (2005, 2006, and 2007) provided the vehicle hasn't changed significantly in that time. Three-year data are a good predictor since most new models for this year are essentially the same as earlier models. Extra weight is given to some components, including the engine (major problems), cooling, transmission (major problems), and drive system. Each overall reliability score is compared with the average of all vehicles in our survey for that model year. The yearly differences are combined to give the Predicted Reliability score shown as percent. This overall average is the zero line in the charts. The bars represent the percentage by which each model was better or worse than the average.

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I don't trust those charts as they should take the info when the car is a few years old. Impossible for new cars I know.
I usually go by used prices in the local auto trader. Most expensive is always toyota, honda,


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said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

i wasn't pulling a fast one, i simply did a quick search and posted the number of recalls issued...that's why i did it again and separated the light recalls from standard ones on my next post...my point still stands, they are all fairly equal.
You are as stubborn as a mule. Recalls are one small indicator of reliability. These charts are a better indication.
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dirtyjeffer
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i wasn't pulling a fast one, i simply did a quick search and posted the number of recalls issued...that's why i did it again and separated the light recalls from standard ones on my next post...my point still stands, they are all fairly equal.


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said by dirtyjeffer See Profile :

said by 3SGTE See Profile :

Nine of the results listed are AFTERMARKET LIGHTS, lights produced by other manufacturers as accessories for the vehicle.
heads up...car makers make very little of what is in their cars...almost everything is made by someone else...so using your logic, if you think Ford cars are crappy, don't blame Ford, all they make is the engine.
Let me spell it out for you.
These lights have no relationship whatsoever to Honda.
These are the ugly "ricer specials" that are produced for cosmetic reasons, or as aftermarket replacements for bodyshops.

Here is a disclaimer copied verbatim from one of the recalls:
said by NHTSA :

THIS RECALL ONLY PERTAINS TO AFTERMARKET HEADLAMP ASSEMBLIES MANUFACTURED BY ANZO AND HAS NO RELATION TO ANY ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT INSTALLED ON THE LISTED PASSENGER VEHICLES.
Caps are as copied from text of recall.

The lights do not meet NHTSA specs, this is why they have been recalled.

Lets face it, you tried to pull a fast one. It is time to suck it up and admit you got caught.
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dirtyjeffer
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reply to CylonRed
my taurus is almost 8 years old and it has been a very good car...like everything in life, your mileage may vary.


CylonRed
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As noted recalls do not tell all of a story - it is merely a beginning. Out of all of the cars I have owned - my Honda is far better than anything else I have had. Beats my coworker's Taurus in his Taurus has had to replace a lot more items than I have ever had to in the 12 years I have owned my Honda - and his Ford is newer than my Honda.


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said by 3SGTE See Profile :

Nine of the results listed are AFTERMARKET LIGHTS, lights produced by other manufacturers as accessories for the vehicle.
heads up...car makers make very little of what is in their cars...almost everything is made by someone else...so using your logic, if you think Ford cars are crappy, don't blame Ford, all they make is the engine.

second of all, i decided to use the same search for 2005 models and here is the result:

Ford Focus: 1 Light recall, 2 others
Honda Civic: 3 Light recalls, 1 other
VW Jetta: 2 Light recalls, 2 other
Chevy Cobalt: 1 Light recall, 1 other
Toyota Corolla: 2 Light recalls, 0 other

My point?...all cars are about the same, so anyone who says Honda's are way better than Ford's (or whatever brand vs another brand) doesn't know what they are talking about.
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Filing an official complaint is probably the right thing to do, but complaining to American Honda will probably get them done for free.

Especially if there is any evidence of water entry.
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said by cjski See Profile :

Well they did the inspection and said that the o-ring was fine
But it says "DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE REAR ABS SENSORS AND WHEEL BEARINGS FOR DAMAGED PARTS AND REPLACE THEM FREE OF CHARGE"

Dealer inspected found a bad bearing and didnt replace it? I'd file a complaint with NHTSA about the dealer not honoring a recall. Dealer gets paid actual cost for parts and about 75% of labor costs they charge you for warranty or recall work.... they make more profit just to bill you for the service or even sell you the parts! $$$$ is the main motivator for dealers! You'd be surprised the crazy parts markup they have.

In the meantime, I picked up all the parts to fix the other items listed (including wheel bearings), which will save me $600 in labor...but I may need help with somee info.
Next time don't buy parts from the dealer. Im sure that $400 in parts you could have gotten the same exact stuff for $300 if you shop around. Or probably 1/2 of if you buy the "aftermarket" parts from the OEM parts supplier.
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said by markwp2001 See Profile :

Data collected by Consumer Reports indicates that Hondas are more reliable than Fords, Chevrolets, or most other makes for that matter. Do you have data that indicates otherwise?
sure do:

»www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/probl···arch.cfm
research the number of recalls on the following cars at the NHTSA website for a 2002 model Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Chevy Cavalier, VW Jetta and Toyota Corolla (as all of these cars are now 5 years old and all compete directly against each other).

what you will find is this:

Chevy Cavalier: 2 recalls
Toyota Corolla: 2 recalls
Ford Focus: 4 recalls
VW Jetta: 6 recalls
Honda Civic: 12 recalls
Recalls are not an all encompassing indication of reliability or durability.

I searched that site, I got 3 recalls from American Honda for the Civic. Not 12.

Of those 3 recalls, one is a check for an assembly error
that applies to less than 300 vehicles, another applies only to a CNG model.

Nine of the results listed are AFTERMARKET LIGHTS, lights produced by other manufacturers as accessories for the vehicle.

If someone has a chip on their shoulder and is unjustly slagging Ford by misrepresenting facts, I'm going to correct them.

Same holds true here in the case of Honda.


dirtyjeffer
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said by markwp2001 See Profile :

Data collected by Consumer Reports indicates that Hondas are more reliable than Fords, Chevrolets, or most other makes for that matter. Do you have data that indicates otherwise?
sure do:

»www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/probl···arch.cfm
research the number of recalls on the following cars at the NHTSA website for a 2002 model Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Chevy Cavalier, VW Jetta and Toyota Corolla (as all of these cars are now 5 years old and all compete directly against each other).

what you will find is this:

Chevy Cavalier: 2 recalls
Toyota Corolla: 2 recalls
Ford Focus: 4 recalls
VW Jetta: 6 recalls
Honda Civic: 12 recalls
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stephencole

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said by the_doctor See Profile :

From NHTSA website

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
HONDA / CIVIC 2006-2007
Recall Number: 07V399000
Summary:
ON CERTAIN VEHICLES, THE WHEEL SPEED SENSOR HOUSING USES AN O-RING SEAL TO PREVENT LEAKAGE TO OR FROM THE WHEEL BEARING. IF ASSEMBLED IMPROPERLY, THE O-RING MAY NOT SEAL PROPERLY ALLOWING WATER TO ENTER THE WHEEL BEARING AND EVENTUALLY CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BEARING, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE USE OF ROAD SALT IS PREVALENT. IF THE DRIVER CONTINUES TO DRIVE WITH THIS CONDITION IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE WHEEL BEARING TO BECOME LOOSE, WHICH COULD CAUSE THE BEARING TO FAIL.
Consequence:
THIS COULD CAUSE A WHEEL TO FALL OFF OF THE VEHICLE, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE REAR ABS SENSORS AND WHEEL BEARINGS FOR DAMAGED PARTS AND REPLACE THEM FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 25, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Notes:
HONDA RECALL NO. Q56. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.
Do you think this is also applicable to other Civics in other countries?


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said by cjski See Profile :

I thought Hondas were supposed to be reliable? That's why I bought this car, because I use my car for work! (80,000 miles in 1.5 yrs)
why, because Honda told you that?...honda's aren't any more reliable than a chevy or ford...creative marketing has "sold the public" on their perceived quality...in the end, they are just another cheap car, made by the same kinds of people and robots that make the ford's and chevy's out there, all put together with parts from the lowest bidder.
Data collected by Consumer Reports indicates that Hondas are more reliable than Fords, Chevrolets, or most other makes for that matter. Do you have data that indicates otherwise?
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said by genius1 :

were you racing it? I mean honestly if you were the tranny went out then it really isn't Ford's responsibility to replace it. It's a consumer car, not a 'race car'.
ROFLMAO! No I wasn't racing it. It's a V6, but you didn't know that, so good question.


genius1

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Re: 2006 Honda Civic :(

were you racing it? I mean honestly if you were the tranny went out then it really isn't Ford's responsibility to replace it. It's a consumer car, not a 'race car'.


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said by cjski See Profile :

I thought Hondas were supposed to be reliable? That's why I bought this car, because I use my car for work! (80,000 miles in 1.5 yrs)
why, because Honda told you that?...honda's aren't any more reliable than a chevy or ford...creative marketing has "sold the public" on their perceived quality...in the end, they are just another cheap car, made by the same kinds of people and robots that make the ford's and chevy's out there, all put together with parts from the lowest bidder.
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That's it »www.helminc.com/helm/product2.as···9R5D38LC it covers 2 doors and 4 door and SI then like you saw they have a supplement manual for SI.

When I got mine for my MDX it had all models well the two that was that year my MDX was.

IF you want to be 100 percent sure call them.

cjski
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said by Warzau See Profile :

Actually not really the best is Helm the ones the professionals use. If you are going to be working on your car alot invest in it.

»www.helminc.com/helm/Result.asp?···TTRM8TW6
I still don't see the correct shop manual listed at your link...they do have supplements for the SI, Hybrid & Natural gas vehicles, but I don't see the one for just a plain old civic.

Thanks
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