Topic 'Re: Simply Pathetic' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19388844 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:07:30 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:07:30 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19408862 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19408862 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:56:12 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19394203 said by SilverSurfer1:

said by Tzale:

Chances are if you are in the middle of no where, you probably lead a much more simpler life that doesn't rely on broadband like us city slickers and suburbanites need.

I'm going to stop you right there and disqualify that particular $0.02 because you know not from whence you speak. Just because a person lives in the country does not necessarily mean that person is a country bumpkin/hillbilly.

I am originally from a rural area back east and one of the secondary reasons I left was predominantly because of lack of broadband. Are you going to try to tell me with a straight face that you know that I lead a much more "simpler" life and therefore, did not need broadband?
You moved, didn't you? You're the exception to the rule. Most "rural" people I have ran into aren't exactly iPhone toting FIOS fanbois.

If you don't grow up with it, you don't know what you're missing. Ever wonder why the Amish don't bitch about not having A/C during the summer? All that I am trying to say is that MOST rural people are not dependent on having a fast broadband connection like most of us in urban/suburban areas are. I have NO need for a tractor or a silo, yet that is apparently very useful for a lot of farmers. I have no use for 4 wheel drive, since the highways of Jersey are well paved. :-)

-Tzale]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19394203 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:59:38 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19393447 said by SilverSurfer1:

Isn't that exactly what we pay for in the form of taxes on broadband? So that folks in rural areas can have access? What is happening with the monies providers are collecting at the behest of the feds to subsidize rural areas with broadband?Taxes? What tax are you referring to? What money is being collected to subsidize rural deployments of Internet access?
said by SilverSurfer1:

I have "looked around" and weighed options accordingly and I stand by my original statement. The U.S. is a first world country with 3rd world broadband choices. We pay the highest prices in the world for the lowest k/bps. Where I choose to live vs not is not germane to this discussion.
So you don't have an example of a better place to live than the US? Kind of challenging to verify your first world country, third world broadband choices claim without an understanding of what a first world country with first world broadband choices is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19393447 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:12:05 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19393235 said by openbox9:

Do you have any idea how much it costs, and how much time is required, to design, engineer, manufacture, test, tweak design, re-manufacture, retest, build multiple systems, launch, and manage a satellite? Then throw in multiple ground-stations and O&M for future years. Isn't that exactly what we pay for in the form of taxes on broadband? So that folks in rural areas can have access? What is happening with the monies providers are collecting at the behest of the feds to subsidize rural areas with broadband?

said by openbox9:

I know your post was more directed at slamming the US because you feel that we are so bad off, so I guess this was more of a rhetorical question. Anyway, if you think that our "first world country" has such "third world broadband choices", then I invite you to look around at other countries, weigh your benefits and costs of living, and then let us know which country is so much better. Serious question as I've been a lot of places and I'd like to read your frame of reference.
I have "looked around" and weighed options accordingly and I stand by my original statement. The U.S. is a first world country with 3rd world broadband choices. We pay the highest prices in the world for the lowest k/bps. Where I choose to live vs not is not germane to this discussion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19393235 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:40:32 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19393200 said by Tzale:

Chances are if you are in the middle of no where, you probably lead a much more simpler life that doesn't rely on broadband like us city slickers and suburbanites need.

I'm going to stop you right there and disqualify that particular $0.02 because you know not from whence you speak. Just because a person lives in the country does not necessarily mean that person is a country bumpkin/hillbilly.

I am originally from a rural area back east and one of the secondary reasons I left was predominantly because of lack of broadband. Are you going to try to tell me with a straight face that you know that I lead a much more "simpler" life and therefore, did not need broadband? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19393200 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:35:48 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19391437 said by major marco:

I am not able to seriously discuss with you my choice of which country I would dump the U.S. for. Just know that if it were an option, I would without a second thought.

There are many choices out there where you can go. Feel free to leave anytime if you feel it's so bad here. Just don't let the door hit you on your way out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19391437 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:00:28 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19390906 quote:
Chances are if you are in the middle of no where, you probably lead a much more simpler life that doesn't rely on broadband like us city slickers and suburbanites need.


Holy sweet jesus... I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were making a funny. Our life doesnt "rely" on broadband because there is none ;). but damn wouldnt it be nice to shop online, not have to spend 30 bucks driving to town on gas, and not take 10 minutes to open a https page in a checkout. play games, download music, work from home, and all that jazz most folks take for granted ;)

On hughes, you sure arent getting VPN support, and if you make it work, might as well be running dialup anyway. https pages still take forever to load because secured pages arent run through the proxy server. play games? pfft can someone say 1800ms ping times, download music? sure for like 5 minutes before the Fapattack strikes!

yah.. yah.. I know... move, build it yourself, the same tired argument from the same people who in their second breath talk about how tired the argument is that rural areas provide the resources necesarry for them to be able to pile up on one another like a hoarde of flies on a big steamy dog turd, and still be able to survive. :D Its apparent neither side is going to ackknowledge credibility to the other there.

Personally I have to stay mobile, or i'd be sitting somewhere with a fat cable connection. but I work in alot of remote places, so i dont expect cable or dsl. and im certainly not building a isp every 2-3 months. The only choices i have are satellite and sprint, and even with 1xrtt.. i havent plugged my hughes modem in for nearly 6 months. One of these days though EVDO will make it around and i'll be perfectly happy. /glare sprint. :D

Have a good evening!
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It wasn't directed at me, but I'll answer the question anyway - Since the U.S. is the only country on the planet that lets people in -or for that matter accepts any and all human debris that washes up on its shores or crawls under a fence- regardless of age, education, income and/or ability to earn one, I am not able to seriously discuss with you my choice of which country I would dump the U.S. for. Just know that if it were an option, I would without a second thought.I was attempting to ask a serious question, but anyway...are you seriously considering yourself "human debris"? I truly feel sorry for you if you feel that living in the US is so challenging. It's really not that hard to find another country to live in, you might want to give it a shot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19390359 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:20:59 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389941 said by openbox9:

if you think that our "first world country" has such "third world broadband choices", then I invite you to look around at other countries, weigh your benefits and costs of living, and then let us know which country is so much better. Serious question as I've been a lot of places and I'd like to read your frame of reference.
It wasn't directed at me, but I'll answer the question anyway - Since the U.S. is the only country on the planet that lets people in -or for that matter accepts any and all human debris that washes up on its shores or crawls under a fence- regardless of age, education, income and/or ability to earn one, I am not able to seriously discuss with you my choice of which country I would dump the U.S. for. Just know that if it were an option, I would without a second thought.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389941 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:21:55 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389760 said by Tzale:

Chances are if you are in the middle of no where, you probably lead a much more simpler life that doesn't rely on broadband like us city slickers and suburbanites need.-Tzale
Chances are that if you live in town, it's in a ghetto and you can only live there because it's government subsidized housing. You should stop selling crack to buy broadband.

Yes, I meant for that to be just as stupid as your comment about rural life. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389760 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:53:57 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389655 said by SilverSurfer1:

That consumers even have to go with a sat provider is bad enough, but adding insult to injury that they can't access broadband in any other matter and are then subject to ridiculously low caps. This is just another glaring reminder that the U.S. is a first world country with third world broadband choices. The only positive I see in this matter is at least HughesNet isn't pretending there aren't any caps in place like certain other providers have and then pleading stupidity when they get caught by their own subscriber base (cough Comcrap cough.)
Wrong, Wrong Wrong.

The U.S. has AMAZING broadband selections. Not many countries have symmetrical fiber to the home 20/20 for $60/month.

The problem is that America is GIGANTIC and for some people satellite broadband is the ONLY option for ANY kind of internet.

Chances are if you are in the middle of no where, you probably lead a much more simpler life that doesn't rely on broadband like us city slickers and suburbanites need.

I do however agree that for the prices they charge these caps are crazy.... But you also have to remember that bandwidth is SEVERELY limited when it comes to satellites. You can't just add another fiber trunk like a normal ISP can do. The "cap" after a certain amount of usage should be somewhere in the range of 128kbps or so, and bandwidth permitting on the satellite, they should allow 1GB or so of usage. 200 megabytes is way too low for most people nowadays.

-Tzale]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389655 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:37:17 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389279
I know your post was more directed at slamming the US because you feel that we are so bad off, so I guess this was more of a rhetorical question. Anyway, if you think that our "first world country" has such "third world broadband choices", then I invite you to look around at other countries, weigh your benefits and costs of living, and then let us know which country is so much better. Serious question as I've been a lot of places and I'd like to read your frame of reference.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389279 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:47:32 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389146 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389146 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:31:59 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389094 said by jchambers28:

why don't offer an unlimited services
Maybe because satellite broadband has capacity limitations. It isn't a just a question of money. It is how much bandwidth you can put on a satellite.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389094 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:23:39 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389037
I'd feel so bad for someone who eats up all there MB's on a freah install of Microsoft Windows XP! could easily eat all that up on updates poor people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389037 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:13:22 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389036
They know they are the ONLY choice for much of rural America and therefore they can stick it to us.

If DSL or anything else ever becomes available I will switch instantly. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389036 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:13:18 EDT Re: Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389027 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Simply-Pathetic-19389027 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:12:21 EDT Simply Pathetic http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Simply-Pathetic-19388844 have to go with a sat provider is bad enough, but adding insult to injury that they can't access broadband in any other matter and are then subject to ridiculously low caps. This is just another glaring reminder that the U.S. is a first world country with third world broadband choices. The only positive I see in this matter is at least HughesNet isn't pretending there aren't any caps in place like certain other providers have and then pleading stupidity when they get caught by their own subscriber base (cough Comcrap cough.) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Simply-Pathetic-19388844 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:45:31 EDT