funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | reply to ANON853
Re: [OK] Cox doesn't mess with Bittorrent traffic, does it?
It's okay. It *IS* maddening! |
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ANON853
@cox.net | reply to jmccorm
Sorry about the last post, didn't mean to sound so rude about it. Im not mad at you, im pissed at cox..... |
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ANON853
@cox.net
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My settings are fine. Every instance of my bit torrent connection has slowed down. And yes i know how Sandvine works, im not saying that Sandvine is responsible, but something definately is.
Also not to burst any bubble, but Sandvines tell tale behavior was "hot" on IRC about a month before it hit the news here. |
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funchords
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1 edit | reply to ANON853
said by ANON853 :
My bit torrent downloads have just recently slowed way way down. It's possible, but unlikely, that Cox is throttling downloads. Make sure that your BitTorrent upload settings are set correctly. The wrong upload settings definitely affect your download speeds.
1. Take a speed test, note your upload speed in kb/s. (e.g. 248 kb/s)
2. Knock off the last digit to get the right upload speed limit in kB/s. (e.g. 24 kB/s) Set your upload speed limit to that number or less.
3. Wait 15 minutes after starting a download or after changing parameters for the protocol to find good reciprocating peers.
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ANON853
@cox.net | reply to jmccorm
Ok, this is bullshit. My bit torrent downloads have just recently slowed way way down. I hope dsl is available, if so i will be switching soon |
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MarkyD
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said by dvd536  :said by MarkyD :I've given up on BitTorrent, and moved back to usenet. I'm seeing nearly 2MB/sec sustained speeds with usenet on my 12/1mbps Premier connection...better than advertised! I'm seeing occasional boosts up over 3MB/sec! You obviously aren't using cox's outsourced highwinds crapola if you're getting speeds like that  I think there was a node split in my neighborhood or something. Performance has increased by leaps and bounds over the last 2 weeks. No outages recently, and great performance...except with BitTorrent. Sigh. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
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said by MarkyD :I've given up on BitTorrent, and moved back to usenet. I'm seeing nearly 2MB/sec sustained speeds with usenet on my 12/1mbps Premier connection...better than advertised! I'm seeing occasional boosts up over 3MB/sec! You obviously aren't using cox's outsourced highwinds crapola if you're getting speeds like that
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MarkyD
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2 edits | reply to jmccorm
I've given up on BitTorrent, and moved back to usenet. I'm seeing nearly 2MB/sec sustained speeds with usenet on my 12/1mbps Premier connection...better than advertised!
I'm seeing occasional boosts up over 3MB/sec! |
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robertfl
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join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | reply to funchords
Again.. welcome to 1984.
I wonder what will happen when the masses dump cox as a result of this nonsense.
-Rob |
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funchords
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| reply to AnonHRCust
said by AnonHRCust :
I'm in Hampton Roads (Virginia Beach) and I can confirm that Cox filters P2P traffic here.
That sounds exactly like Sandvine.
I have had outside requests to gather more evidence. If you are familiar with Wireshark and either Gnutella, ED2K, and BitTorrent and can spend an hour or so with someone on the phone some evening, please write to me at robb(at-sign)funchords.com.
Thanks!
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AnonHRCust
@cox.net
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I'm in Hampton Roads (Virginia Beach) and I can confirm that Cox filters P2P traffic here. I noticed this with eMule a while ago, all the uploads would be killed instantly. I haven't used eMule in probably a year but I guess they're still doing it. BitTorrent seeding is also limited. Sometimes the connection will be killed instantly, other times I will be able to upload for about 30 seconds before the connection dies. |
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funchords
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| reply to Movieman420
Good job jmccorm! You've broken their code! 
said by Movieman420 :At least Cox won't be accused of lying to and deceiving their customers. True to a point, but Cox's forging a packet header to make it appear as if your peer has "hung up on you" is still lying and deceiving.
This is arrogance on their part. In 2005, the industry promised the FCC that they wouldn't do stuff like this. In return, the FCC didn't impose Net Neutrality rules on them, saying that there wasn't any evidence that any were needed.
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Movieman420
join:2007-08-28
Rivesville, WV
| reply to jmccorm
At least they're admitting that they do filter protocols and that's WAY more than Comcast's PR will admit.
No doubt in my mind, Cox will be joining Comcast in the FCC complaints and class action law suits. At least Cox won't be accused of lying to and deceiving their customers. |
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jmccorm
join:2003-08-17
Tulsa, OK
| reply to funchords
Re: (update) Cox Manager: Cox Confirms They Use Protocol Filteri
PR TRANSLATION FOLLOWS:
Cox actively manages network traffic through a variety of methods including traffic prioritization and protocol filtering. "We do some things. Here are a few examples that I want to throw out there. This isn't the whole list, though."
Cox does not prohibit the use of file-sharing services for uploads or downloads. "We do not outright *stop* (through technology or policy) the use of file-sharing services on our network."
(Cox does not) discriminate against any specific services in any way. ERROR. ERROR. Inconsistency detected. You just got through saying that "Cox actively managers network traffic through a variety of methods including ... protocol filtering." If that isn't discriminating against any specific service, what is?
To help our customers make the most out of their Internet experience, we take proactive measures to ensure that bandwidth intensive applications do not negatively impact their service. "We take proactive measures against bandwidth intensive applications, but we won't go into any detail about what that means." "But we degrade a user's service in order not to negatively impact their service. We have to kill the citizens in order to save them."
These network management practices are outlined in our subscriber agreement and Acceptable Use Policy. "Please refer to this generic document which doesn't answer the question in any more detail." |
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ZaRRaZa
join:2005-12-04
Norway
2 edits | reply to dvd536
Re: [OK] Cox doesn't mess with Bittorrent traffic, does it?
i dont know boi... i been tryin to find out that forever with no success... lol
I been usin cox for 4 years, my parents for 6, and i would stay with cox if they would offer more upstream... but now the difference between cox and fios is so huge... that if i'll have a chance to switch to fios... I WILL...
u know its hard to leave cox... cuz i was gettin very good service all the time. Had only 1-2 issues for all the time i been with cox... but u kno they cant keep up with fios. I read somewhere in this forum that cox gonna update up speedz to 4 mbps only by 2010.... thats ridiculous, because by that time fios gonna be offering 1000/1000 or so to home users.... lol.
Only strongest survives... |
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funchords
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|  reply to jmccorm
(update) Cox Manager: Cox Confirms They Use Protocol Filtering
From Cox's David Deliman, Product Communications Manager:
To ensure the best possible online experience for our customers, Cox actively manages network traffic through a variety of methods including traffic prioritization and protocol filtering. Cox does not prohibit the use of file-sharing services for uploads or downloads, or discriminate against any specific services in any way. To help our customers make the most out of their Internet experience, we take proactive measures to ensure that bandwidth intensive applications do not negatively impact their service. These network management practices are outlined in our subscriber agreement and Acceptable Use Policy. »Cox Also Disrupting P2P Traffic
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Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon USA
Are you affected by Comcast's RST forging? How to test it! -or- Read my original report. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to ZaRRaZa
Re: [OK] Cox doesn't mess with Bittorrent traffic, does it?
said by ZaRRaZa :That split between down and up is ridiculous (20/2) Some of us are only getting 12/1.
with 2 up you must be in a fios area. is fios available to you?
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Plasticman
Will Work For Bandwidth
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join:2002-09-06
Harrisville, RI
clubs: | reply to ZaRRaZa
An answer to your question if they are interferring:
»Cox Also Disrupting P2P Traffic
Story posted yesterday and they had Robb check it out....
Plasticman |
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ZaRRaZa
join:2005-12-04
Norway
| reply to jmccorm
just want to say... been using cox for 4 years now. I get constant 1.5-2.0 MB/s down and 150-200 KB/s up (at night time reaches 250 KB/s) from private torrents.
Down record for few secs is 2.9 MB/s ... and constant 2.5 MB/s for few minz. And im positive that i went over 60 GB at least once and 15 GB upload a lot. I would say my down record is 100-150 GB a month and about 50GB upload. Never received a letter. So far cox is really nice. The one negative thing is that they need to increase up speeds. That split between down and up is ridiculous (20/2).
cya |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP
| reply to jmccorm
Funny, my tests between my server in SD and my line in Tulsa seem to be showing a 100% inability to act as a seed for either. The route between the two is 100% Cox.
jshort was kind enough to offer his help and we found that I can seed from my CBS line in Arkansas, but not from CBS in San Diego, nor from my residential line in Tulsa. They've apparently not gotten around to installing the filters in the Kansas market yet.
It appears Cox is doing their best to block seeding 100%, even on CBS lines.
Now I'm angry. As I mentioned earlier, seeding from a residential line is, strictly speaking, a contravention of the TOS we all agree to. By contract, I should be able to seed all I want on the CBS lines, but cannot. |
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