MarkyD
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
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| reply to spanglo
Re: [OK] Cox doesn't mess with Bittorrent traffic, does it?
said by spanglo  :That does sound odd. I regularly get over a 1MB/sec on my torrents with Premiere. Anyone else in your area getting the same results? My neighbor and friend has experienced the same. Strange thing is, we can max out our connection no problem on websites like Microsoft, Apple...
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Phaetos
join:2003-09-21
Slaughter, LA
| reply to jmccorm
Hmm ..strange. I got hit with a C&D a few weeks back by Cox, for the one and only thing I ever tried to get off Torrent. Ever since then UTorrent won't connect and neither will the original BT client. won't work at all. but I can use the updated version of limewire that supports torrents now and it works fine. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Fubar
said by Fubar :said by dvd536 :said by robertfl :but what about traffic shaping? i don't think cox does that (yet) but we hope that cox won't follow comcast evil ways of telling us what we can and can not do (within reason) on what we are paying for. Thats when i drop cox like a rock and just use one of the 6 open wireless APs available to me. Great attitude  Nothing like causing problems for your neighbors... If they're too ignorant/stupid to configure their routers then thats their problem. most of em are Qwest DSL and two are standard cox(preferred).
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Pyrion
Liquid Metal Nanomorph
join:2001-12-01
Poway, CA
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·Cox HSI
| reply to Fubar
said by Fubar :Caps are loosely enforced, If they are you will get a warning email to yoour primary cox.net account A classmate of mine got a call from Cox telling him he had blown through his cap and got another gig for the rest of the month before he'd be kicked off.
I assume that's standard practice for repeat offenders cuz this guy treated high bandwidth use as some sort of badge of honor.
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MarkyD
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
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·Cox HSI
| reply to jmccorm
I am starting to think that Cox is using Sandvine in a testing phase in certain markets, OKC being one of them. I personally know of four people that are noticing BitTorrent slowdowns (significant) on Cox in OKC. When I was running Cox and AT&T side by side for a few days, I started one torrent on my AT&T connection and was able to max out my connection with it. The download on Cox was stuck at 80KB/sec.
I have no proof that Cox is doing anything...just observations.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by MarkyD :I am starting to think that Cox is using Sandvine in a testing phase in certain markets, OKC being one of them. Easy to verify if you use utorrent, view the clients and if you see them connect and immediately disconnect, its sandvine or similar quality of service degradation service.
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robertfl
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join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | Just for this, we should be able to get our full download speed on newsgroups, not 512K
-Rob |
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jmccorm
join:2003-08-17
Tulsa, OK
|  reply to MarkyD
said by MarkyD :I am starting to think that Cox is using Sandvine in a testing phase in certain markets, OKC being one of them. Actually, I brought up the topic because I suspect that Cox is interfering with my connection.
I recently had the rare need to provide a file to my team via Bittorrent. This time around, I noticed all sorts of problems (individual upstream connections going to 0kB/s after 10 seconds). And all sorts of randomness, rarely able to even come close (not to mention sustain) my self-imposed cap of 30kB/s.
I would have suspected a problem with up my upstream path, but my FTPs are 100% rock solid. Back to Bittorrent... I tried downloading off of a public torrent server, and was able to download just great, but my upload throughput was weak and random.
Example FTP stats...
> 9558016 bytes sent in 140.65Seconds 67.96Kbytes/sec.
Has anyone from Cox answered the original question, or has a response been avoided so far? "Cox doesn't mess with Bittorrent traffic, does it?" |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | I find it interesting that we're both in Oklahoma and noticing similar behavior. |
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bom619
join:2002-06-14
San Diego, CA | Having unpredictable results in San Diego as well. New behavior... very strange. |
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robertfl
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join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | Are ISPs going to bed with the RIAA/MPAA? talk about censorship and btw, their ads say "download movies/music at blazing speeds"
-Rob |
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jmccorm
join:2003-08-17
Tulsa, OK
| reply to bom619
said by bom619 :Having unpredictable results in San Diego as well. New behavior... very strange. This guy was also complaining about BitTorrent uploading problems, in San Diego, but he got lost in a bunch of noise of people, who aren't Cox employees, telling him there isn't a problem:
»[CA] Packet Shaping, San Diego
I download IPFW and added the following firewall rule...
deny tcp from any to me 6881 tcp flags rst
...and ran another test. In a period of 5 minutes, the firewall rule detected OVER 2000 RST packets on the BitTorrent port.
I didn't run a packet sniffer on both sides of a BitTorrent connection to prove that fake RST packets are being generated, but I think I've proved to my own satisfaction that Cox is engaging in Comcast-like behavior. Even still, I want an answer from a Cox employee who can speak authoritatively on this.
The question, again: "Does Cox interfere, in any way, with BitTorrent traffic?" |
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Pyrion
Liquid Metal Nanomorph
join:2001-12-01
Poway, CA
clubs:
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·Cox HSI
| reply to robertfl
said by robertfl :Are ISPs going to bed with the RIAA/MPAA? talk about censorship and btw, their ads say "download movies/music at blazing speeds" -Rob Note the lack of the keyword "illegally" in that statement.
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jmccorm
join:2003-08-17
Tulsa, OK
| said by Pyrion :Are ISPs going to bed with the RIAA/MPAA? talk about censorship and btw, their ads say "download movies/music at blazing speeds"
Note the lack of the keyword "illegally" in that statement.
I think that you both have a good question for Cox, just you are asking it in different ways:
Assuming Cox is interfering with BitTorrent...
1] Are they doing this to partially curtail piracy on their network?
2] Or are they doing it to preserve more free bandwidth on their network? |
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Pyrion
Liquid Metal Nanomorph
join:2001-12-01
Poway, CA
clubs: | I'm not asking a question, I'm pointing out a flaw in reasoning. |
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Movieman420
join:2007-08-28
Rivesville, WV
| reply to jmccorm
Sorry to say but from what I've been reading here and on the net, looks like Cox is using Sandvine as well.
»Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections
Comcast is in real hot water over this (last few pages of the thread contains links)as they're still denying it. Congress is even getting involved and the FCC has received legal complaints as well. I'm betting that Cox will tell their customers about traffic shaping and offer customer support regarding it...unlike CC.
Even the EFF is contemplating a class action law suit.
Them managing their network is fine but doing via forgery (and denying it!) is the wrong way to do it. Not to mention it also increases their profits at the same time. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
1 edit | Does the firewall rule break the RST crap or is it too late once it hits the firewall?
I haven't used BT in a while so i don't know if its happening here.
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Movieman420
join:2007-08-28
Rivesville, WV
| Nope...can't be broken, only avoided by using a VPN or SSH connection. Goto torrentfreak.com they have a how-to just for Comcast victims that will work for you as well.
In the early pages of the Comcasat thread I linked above, there it a script you can run (written by a CC user) that tells you in real time what % of your connections are getting killed by RSTs. Best to test after you've d/led and are trying to seed..that's where you get nailed. Up to an 80% rst rate while seeding..about 20% while downloading. Normal (legit) RST rates rarely top 3-5% avg. |
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jmccorm
join:2003-08-17
Tulsa, OK
| reply to jmccorm
I have my first official denial from Cox:
Question:
I have a very basic question that I was needing an _authoritative_ answer on: "Does Cox interfere, in any way, with BitTorrent traffic?"
Answer:
Thank you for your e-mail. I understand that you would like to know if Cox interfere with BitTorrent traffic.
On this matter, I can tell you that Cox does not block the ability to upload or download files.
My comments:
While it appears (on the surface) that they are saying, "no", the answer is actually non-responsive. I asked if they interfered, in any way, with BitTorrent traffic. Their reply was that they do not block the ability to upload or download files.
And it appears that they're answering from a 10,000ft level. They appear to be blocking individual upload streams for periods of time. But the result at the 10,000ft level (not individual connections, but over the course of hours) isn't to block the ability to upload or download files, but to degrade the ability to upload files. |
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