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Re: Before everyone gets their boxers in a bunch They'll just ban encryption on their network or degrade it... If they can find a way to identify pirated content getting around pesky checks and balances like encryption, vpn ssh, etc is a walk in the park./tin foil hat off. Take this at least partially seriously. |
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| Yeah right. If they ban encryption they will lose subscribers by the truck load. I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose 5-10% inside of 3 months of doing this.
VPN is a key legitimate use of encryption that all kinds of people use to do work from home.
Normal people would get their pitch forks over something like this. |
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Elbonia | reply to grandpinaple
From »www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/08···plosion/ :
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Neil Armstrong, products director at BT-owned ISP PlusNet, said: "It isn't possible for us to tell if a customer is downloading a copyright file or not unless we specifically 'snoop' every packet on the customer's line.
"We would obviously only do this where we have a proper request from the relevant legal authority to do so, and even then it is unlikely we would be able to see inside encrypted payloads."
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The rapid acceleration in encryption isn't limited to BitTorrenters. Estimates say torrent traffic accounts for about between 50 and 60 per cent of all file-sharing. Usenet, which the RIAA recently said is a bigger offender than Kazaa-type services, accounts for about another 25 per cent. It's set to see more scrambled files shared over it, too, as providers including Giganews now offer SSL encryption.
Paul Sanders, part of the team of music and ISP veterans behind PlayLouder [said] "I think this trend is absolutely a warning to those people in the music industry who believe they can win this war"
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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said by jdjbuffalo:Normal people would get their pitch forks over something like this. Ready normal people? Ready! The internet is for porn. |
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There is no REASONABLE reason to get around encryption. They would be violating privacy issue for the customers. What we do is NONE of the "dumb pipe's" business. |
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| Ah, but that assumes a dumb pipe. If their is a need for large scale encryption in the situation we are talking about it is already not an unfiltered pipe. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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| said by grandpinaple:Ah, but that assumes a dumb pipe. If their is a need for large scale encryption in the situation we are talking about it is already not an unfiltered pipe. People want the ISP to control spam, trolling and many other uses of the internet. You can't have it both ways. |
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Los Angeles, CA
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| said by batterup:People want the ISP to control spam, trolling and many other uses of the internet. You can't have it both ways. Customers like features that add benefit to them. How exactly is gimpifying their net exactly a selling "feature"? |
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No one has expressed interest in control of trolling and if they have they are the minority. Spam is and always will be a problem. People have more or less accepted this. People want the ISP to control spam, but I don't see how that relates to dumb pipes so please elaborate. Oh and list the other controls users want so I can specifically answer them. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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said by Thaler:said by batterup:People want the ISP to control spam, trolling and many other uses of the internet. You can't have it both ways. Customers like features that add benefit to them. How exactly is gimpifying their net exactly a selling "feature"? It is a selling feature to the people with BIG bucks, the people that provide professional content for entertainment. There is way more money to be made in CATV then internet and both are carried in the same tube. |
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| said by batterup:It is a selling feature to the people with BIG bucks, the people that provide professional content for entertainment. There is way more money to be made in CATV then internet and both are carried in the same tube. And that has what to do with anything? You were talking about customers somehow "wanting" ISPs to police their broadband connection (which I feel is incorrect). Just because a bozo-the-clown CEO wants to block certain areas of the 'net, doesn't mean paying customers want/need interference on their services. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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| said by Thaler: And that has what to do with anything? You were talking about customers somehow "wanting" ISPs to police their broadband connection (which I feel is incorrect). Customers are continually bitching about spam and how the ISP is not stopping it. Customers are continually bitching to ISPs about being port scanned. People are even bitching to ISP about people posting off topic in USNET. That is a fact. So dumb pipe or bitch to the ISP to stop certain traffic you can't have it both ways.
The US of A had a common carrier for communication and the people bitched and killed it. |
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| The people that bitch about Usenet are 1 percent of percent of percent. The people who bitch about spam want it stopped within reason. I'm not sure who is bitching and why about port scanning, but if it it's anything like the other two examples you gave it also is not as extreme as you make it out to be. |
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said by batterup:The US of A had a common carrier for communication and the people bitched and killed it. You make it seem as though the customers are the one clamoring for gimped ISP access. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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| said by Thaler:said by batterup:The US of A had a common carrier for communication and the people bitched and killed it. You make it seem as though the customers are the one clamoring for gimped ISP access. Yes they are, they want gimped what they don't like. Everybody doesn't like something. Gimp for one gimp for all.
Why do ISP always provide an abuse contact? The people want ISPs to be proactive. If I use my POTS to break the law one does not call TPC one calls the LAW. POTS from TPC is a common carrier service, internet is not. |
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