1 edit | Oh noes Hmmm they are stopping illegal activity. Whats the problem again?
Oh yeah, there's a bunch of whiny, warez, illegal movie downloaders here. | |
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 | | Re: Oh noes said by ninjatutle:Hmmm they are stopping illegal activity. Whats the problem again? Are you employed by AT&T, work with/for AT&T and/or receive money/compensation from AT&T to post here? | |
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 | | | Re: Oh noes Yes, the Govt, G. Bush and family, RIAA, NBA and MLB also pay me as well.
That is how I can afford to live the lifestyle I've became accustomed too. | |
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America | Re: Oh noes ...And that picture you posted was bootlegged too  | |
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America | Re: Oh noes lol, nice  | |
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| | | said by BodyBumper:said by ninjatutle:Hmmm they are stopping illegal activity. Whats the problem again? Are you employed by AT&T, work with/for AT&T and/or receive money/compensation from AT&T to post here? Typical reflexive post by those who defend piracy - "you are against piracy, so you must be an employee". How about he is against piracy because he isn't a thief and thinks it is wrong.
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| | | | Re: Oh noes said by fAcEtIOUs:said by BodyBumper:said by ninjatutle:Hmmm they are stopping illegal activity. Whats the problem again? Are you employed by AT&T, work with/for AT&T and/or receive money/compensation from AT&T to post here? Typical reflexive post by those who defend piracy I don't download movies, music, video games, etc, in my opinion no one is entitled to get any of that for free when the legal owners of those materials charge a fee for their works. In the rare event that I want to see a movie I go to the local video store and rent it.
I never intended to imply or suggest that I was being "reflexive" or insulting it was a simple question and ninjatutle could have volunteered to give a simple yes or no answer.
- "you are against piracy, so you must be an employee". That is your opinion.
How about he is against piracy because he isn't a thief and thinks it is wrong.
That has nothing to do with my original question but I do not disagree with that opinion.
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Milwaukee, WI | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by BodyBumper:said by ninjatutle:Hmmm they are stopping illegal activity. Whats the problem again? Are you employed by AT&T, work with/for AT&T and/or receive money/compensation from AT&T to post here? Typical reflexive post by those who defend piracy - "you are against piracy, so you must be an employee". How about he is against piracy because he isn't a thief and thinks it is wrong. I am employed by AT&T and I think this is a horrible idea. Simply from a financial standpoint this policy is short sighted and will open up a huge can of worms. Legally, when we start filtering content, we will then be opened up to lawsuits for anything that gets through or doesn't get through. This will trash our safe harbor status and will open us up to litigation on everything and anything. Are we going to start filtering content going to other ISP's that lease part of our network? If we start filtering this content where does it stop? Should AT&T start filtering content that praises competitors or rips on AT&T? How about if the filter content for the political candidate they support?
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| | | | | Re: Oh noes Don't you have work to be doing? | |
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| | | | AlakarFacts do not cease to exist when ignored
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Milwaukee, WI | Re: Oh noes said by ninjatutle:Don't you have work to be doing? Great comeback. | |
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| said by Alakar:Simply from a financial standpoint this policy is short sighted and will open up a huge can of worms. Legally, when we start filtering content, we will then be opened up to lawsuits for anything that gets through or doesn't get through. This will trash our safe harbor status and will open us up to litigation on everything and anything. Are we going to start filtering content going to other ISP's that lease part of our network? If we start filtering this content where does it stop? Should AT&T start filtering content that praises competitors or rips on AT&T? How about if the filter content for the political candidate they support? Exactly. Once AT&T blows up their own safety net, they become liable for everything they wrongfully block or accidently allow through.
God Help them, you can almost hear the legal firms saying "Release the Hounds!"
If I was a shareholder, I'd be mightly pissed that AT&T is making such an incredibly costly mistake.
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| | | | It seems to me that he is against BitTorrent. He is also likely against the consumer being able to choose what they use their connection for.... It seems that way to me. | |
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| | Simple... It isn't their job to do it. Just like it isn't the job of the auto industry to stop drunk drivers or gun companies to stop gun crimes. Period. | |
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| | OCILLA, among others, but you knew that. I applaud your tireless resolve and temerity. | |
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Concord, NH | That's a false argument. Aside from the immature insults and belligerent tone of your statement, P2P isn't just used to download copyrighted materials. Just as someone using encryption can't be assumed to be doing anything illegal.
Aside from that, AT&T has shown that they can't be trusted to protect their customer's civil rights. It's unfortunate that the assumption now is that potentially everything you do on the internet or on the phone is recorded in some form without a court deciding if it's relevant to a criminal investigation.
That is antithetical to the ideals this country was founded on and that made us the great country we [used] to be known for..
(and what we still criticize other countries for)
Personally, I don't have anything to hide and I wouldn't care if someone wanted to waste their time and storage space with what I do, and I've never even used P2P, but that's not the point. There are laws and rules that are put in place for a reason (granted the reasoning may be flawed in some cases). This incredible power these companies have at their disposal can [and is] abused by some of them (and you know what they say about 'power'..). | |
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| | said by ninjatutle:Hmmm they are stopping illegal activity. Whats the problem again? The problem is that the end does not always justify the means, even in the name of "stopping illegal activity." | |
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| | The problem is quite simple. In your ORIGINAL post, it CLEARLY STATES, 'is investigated by the FBI'. I don't know which alphabet YOU use, but the letters 'FBI' don't show up when I write AT&T. Unless, of course, you are a supporter of the Bush regime, who clearly believes that the letters FBI exist in ALL corporations.
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| | They are ALSO stopping LEGAL activity. THAT is the problem. Get it? | |
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| | | Re: Oh noes "...put mechanisms in place that will filter pirated material from the company's network."
Where does it say they are blocking legal content? | |
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| said by ninjatutle:Hmmm they are stopping illegal activity. Whats the problem again? Because it's just another layer of crap "services" that I don't need from an ISP, nor do I need an ISP rifiling through my legal data streams.
...plus there's that whole "slippery slope" thing. If filtering potentially pirated data files gets cleared, what's to stop the next company making a further leap on where we can and cannot browse? Laws already exist to stem & prosecute piracy. Go after the criminals and leave us law-abiders alone. | |
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