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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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1 edit | Re: It's pretty sweet said by fiberguy  :I also find it a little odd that providers like DirecTV are trying to offset part of their business model to other providers. ... If the end user wanted to send the request out through the broadband and then initiate the download through their own network using the direct-duo service (their own internet) then that would be one thing.. but DirecTV is passing on, like so many others, their traffic and costs to other providers. You seem pretty clueless about how the internets work.
DirecTV, or really anyone who provides any sort of content, has to pay for the bandwidth they consume. They pay this to either a hosting outfit or to whomever their bandwidth provider is. It is not their responsibility to help comcast or whomever modernize their network, the subscribers pay for that. There is zero precedence for Whitaker's "hoster pays twice" model.
Do you think Justin should bill each ISP for every post here? Sounds silly, doesn't it?
edit: quite entertaining reading your follow-ups. So you're a hoster and you believe you should pay both your 3 transit providers and every access network your customers want to reach. Interesting viewpoint, but still smells like arguing for the sake of arguing to me.
You're argument is not compelling in the least - if you're in the business you know DTV is not getting a "free ride" - you know full well they are paying their transit provider to deliver their traffic. You should also know full well that the more they use the more they pay. | |
|  fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: It's pretty sweet Look, clueless Charlie.. don't assume shit. ok?
I happen to own my own ISP, data center, and 3 redundant connections to serve my facility. I know how the internet works. I also know that You pay for what you transport on the internet as well.
You guys continue to live in your utopia world more and more each day. I stand by my comments and won't back down to internet hippies that want it all for nothing.
The way you guys view the internet is this sort of free ride on the world.. it's electronic so it must be free. You couldn't be far from true. You also don't have any respect for TOS agreements.. you guys seem to think that typical residential use is wide open throttles as well. You're going to continue to define things the way you are.
People like you guys are dangerous to the rest of us, and the mass in whole. You want to say your so-called freedom fighters, or soldiers of network neutrality, a myth at best right now. You guys cry for all this network freedom and all you're going to do, which you all have conveniently avoided, is cause the masses to start limiting their use or paying like they're at the gas pump.
I"m getting sick and tired of you modern day hippies who won't live in the REAL WORLD while sitting with rose colored glasses on acting like you know it all. Wake up and smell the pot you're smoking. When you start looking at the whole picture and not your own selfish needs, then maybe you will realize what impact you are having on everyone. What people like you propose only ends up doing more damage than good since you can only see life with blinders on.
While in theory, you're right that networks need to be upgraded.. but I've got news for you, clueless, it doesn't happen over night, and it ain't cheap. Who's going to pay for it? And back off the corporate "they're being over paid" crap. Business isn't in business to break even.. it's there to make a profit. If the current models in place didn't work, you'd still be dialing up on your 33.6 modem over a twisted pair on your second line that cost you $22 a month and the dial up account for $25 paying damn near $50 to which you can pay as little as $15 today and share the connection.
Stop with your "modernize their network" crap. It's an 8 year old (circa) network and I'd say that's anything BUT not modern.
Stop acting like you are owed something. If DirecTV wants to offer a VOD service (which the name is a little deceiving at best) then let them do it over their own infrustructure. Yes - I have a REAL problem when one company in the same business wants to utilize the network of another. The day where your Satellite based "VOD" service interrupts my ability to use the internet is the day you see the real fight.
People come to this site almost daily crying that their connections are slow.. same time, bandwidth hogs come here crying because they are cut off. Guess what - it's not YOUR place to tell ANY ISP to update their network. The key is "THEIR NETWORK"... you have every right NOT to buy it.. be it Comcast or AT&T..it's something you are renting. Don't like it? move on. Just because it's invented doesn't mean it has a place on the internet. As things mature, sure.. but right now.. no. Your desires don't trump my rights.
Don't like it? too bad. I'm really sick and tired of you cry babies who want it all for $14.95 a month and don't care about anyone else than yourself.
I know things are changing but I'm realistic in my expectations and know it takes time... I'm not selfish like you. You want VOD? Go to a provider that can provide "VOD".. not Video-When-Ever.
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drmorley
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clubs: | Re: It's pretty sweet You have the makings of a compelling argument, however when you resort to name calling and condescension you lose whatever cred you might of had.
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| | | fiberguy
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| Re: It's pretty sweet I believe the condescending name calling started, as usual, on the other side of the fence. But, since most people don't agree with my point of view, people tend to ignore or dismiss those who attack from the other side. It's ok.. I'm used to it around here.
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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| So, you are your own ISP. That explains a LOT. What do you sell exactly? Access to fiberguy network? I mean, you're like AOL, right? People can connect to YOUR NETWORK, and use it on YOUR TERMS. Of course, they can't get to google, or youtube, or anywhere else, but at least you can control your costs.
NO, you don't sell FIBERGUY network access, you sell INTERNET access. So, MAYBE you aren't charging enough. Why don't you try and sell 1mb access for $1000.00 a month. Oh, wait, you CAN'T, cause no-one would buy it. So please explain exactly what you sell? Cause from all your whining, it sure sounds like you are selling 'some sort of limited access to some places where me (the corp) gets to decide you can go'. If that's what your SELLING, then that's what you should advertise, and see how many customers you get.
AGAIN, it's NOT YOUR PIPE. WE are paying YOU to TRANSPORT DATA. PERIOD. DirectTV is paying SOMEONE to TRANSPORT DATA. PERIOD. DirectTV CAN'T SEND MORE THAN THEY PAY FOR. WE CAN'T RECIEVE MORE THAN WE PAY FOR.
It's as simple as that.
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| | | fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: It's pretty sweet Nope... there you go assuming again.. it's called HOSTING and DATA SERVICES. Where did I say I offered access? | |
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join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| Re: It's pretty sweet quote:
Where did I say I offered access?
Right here....
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I happen to own my own ISP, data center, and 3 redundant connections to serve my facility. I know how the internet works. I also know that You pay for what you transport on the internet as well.
And I'm glad you don't run my ISP or host my website. Just a hint: I pay Comcast for INTERNET ACCESS. What I do with that access is my business. Period. Same as the phone. You didn't hear the phone companies bitch when the Internet first started because those of us with modems were staying connected to our ISPs for hours and hours with our unlimited local phone calls? Same with the ISP's. Put up or shut up. | |
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