Re: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19415642 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:57:38 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:57:38 EDT Re: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19416083 anon :
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And they didn't BLOCK anything.
No, Comcast is just forging TCP packets with the RST bit set which causes the sessions to be torn down... Not blocking in the strictest sense of the definition, but the results are the same - uploads are blocked from completely.

Try again when you understand how Sandvine works and the mechanics of TCP/IP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19416083 Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:08:45 EDT Re: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19416071 anon : The article would be a decent argument in favor if it had not gotten some key facts incorrect. Those glaring factual errors kill the argument.

The article takes the angle that there is nothing wrong with THROTTLING, however, Comcast is not throttling BT connections... It is out right blocking sessions by forging TCP packets with the RST bit set. Anyone with a strong understanding of the TCP/IP stack will understand the difference.

As well, the problem is that this type of packet forging doesn't throttle/block only the targeted types of traffic, it also impacts other classes of traffic, most specifically VPN tunnels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19416071 Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:06:20 EDT Re: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19415642 gaforces :
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Finally somebody get it right also more I hear about it the more I feel those who complain do not know how does a network operates.
This is more doublespeak, using flaws in shared network technology as an excuse.
The end result is still the same, they blocked p2p, which is a violation of network neutrality policys as accepted by the FCC.
The FCC has made no rulings or held hearings or anything else. And they didn't BLOCK anything.

It's nice to know you sit on the FCC with all your inside knowledge.{/sarcasm}
All ye have to do is be able to read.

"In 2003 Tim Wu published and popularized a proposal for a net neutrality rule, in his paper "Network Neutrality, Broadband Discrimination."[14] The paper considered Network Neutrality in terms of neutrality between applications, as well as neutrality between data and QOS sensitive traffic, and proposed some legislation to potentially deal with these issues. In early 2005 the FCC enforced network neutrality principles in a documented case of abuse involving Madison River Communications, a small DSL provider that briefly blocked VoIP service.

In 2005, the FCC adopted a policy statement stating its adherence to four principles of network neutrality. In November 2005 Edward Whitacre, Jr. then CEO of SBC stated 'there's going to have to be some mechanism for these [Internet upstarts] who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using', and that 'The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment';[15] sparking a furious debate. SBC spokesman Michael Balmoris said that Whitacre was misinterpreted and his comments only referred to new tiered services.[16]

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Solon]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19415642 Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:36:24 EDT Re: A rational debate on Comcast traffic management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19415612 OverModded :
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said by Richard B See Profile :

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Finally somebody get it right also more I hear about it the more I feel those who complain do not know how does a network operates.
This is more doublespeak, using flaws in shared network technology as an excuse.
The end result is still the same, they blocked p2p, which is a violation of network neutrality policys as accepted by the FCC.
The FCC has made no rulings or held hearings or anything else. And they didn't BLOCK anything.

It's nice to know you sit on the FCC with all your inside knowledge.{/sarcasm}
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said by Richard B See Profile :

»blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=852

Finally somebody get it right also more I hear about it the more I feel those who complain do not know how does a network operates.
This is more doublespeak, using flaws in shared network technology as an excuse.
The end result is still the same, they blocked p2p, which is a violation of network neutrality policys as accepted by the FCC.
--
‘Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,
Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
Solon]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19415587 Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:23:54 EDT A rational debate on Comcast traffic management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19414958 Richard B : »blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=852

Finally somebody get it right also more I hear about it the more I feel those who complain do not know how does a network operates. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19414958 Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:30:36 EDT