 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
 ·Clear Wireless
| itguy05 (Since the other topic is locked) said by itguy05:Just a hint: I pay Comcast for INTERNET ACCESS. What I do with that access is my business. Period. Same as the phone. You didn't hear the phone companies bitch when the Internet first started because those of us with modems were staying connected to our ISPs for hours and hours with our unlimited local phone calls? Same with the ISP's. Put up or shut up. Actually, the phone companies *DID* complain quite loudly before broadband started gaining wide adoption and took some of the pressure off the PSTN. It took 3 seconds with google to find a bunch of examples like these:
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If you want a dedicated connection that you can truly do whatever you want with, be prepared to shell out a heck of a lot more than $50/mo. |
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| "All circuits are busy. Please try again later. Thank you."
And this was back before 56k became prevalent. Ahhh, good times... good times! 
Actually, the typical broadband connection is a dedicated connection (which means more or less the same thing as "24/7"), it's just a dedicated connection to a shared resource (aka "the Internet", some big nebulous cloud). It's the usual problem: demand precedes supply. The thing that most customers find unacceptable is that a provider--any provider--expresses surprise that its customers actually want to use the service that they're paying for whenever and as much as they want to. How very odd? Well, if it's over-sold, then so be it. Upgrade your network to provide the service you're selling or risk losing your customers to other providers. All I expect is the "up to" speed at least some of the time, when my segment isn't at 100% utilization. Traffic goes as fast as it goes. I'm not a "mass consumer of bandwidth", but I'm not going to gripe about someone who is--everyone has every right to use as much of "their" connection as they can get. No single customer's packets should get any higher priority than any other single customer's packets. I'll be happy to wait my turn just like everyone else... it's the nature of networking, always has been. |
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stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA | reply to espaeth
"If you want a dedicated connection that you can truly do whatever you want with, be prepared to shell out a heck of a lot more than $50/mo."
IF..your using dial-up.
Using 10 year old articles dosen't cut it, espaeth.
PacTel is no longer in existence, and most of us with DSL have no problems maxing our bandwidth 24/7 if one so chooses. Want to run a server. Go for it. Couldn't do that with Charter's HSI.
$35.00 is what I pay a month for 6/768. and I do want I want with my connection. |
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 sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
 ·Optimum Online
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said by espaeth:said by itguy05: You didn't hear the phone companies bitch when the Internet first started because those of us with modems were staying connected to our ISPs for hours and hours with our unlimited local phone calls? Actually, the phone companies *DID* complain quite loudly before broadband started gaining wide adoption and took some of the pressure off the PSTN. It took 3 seconds with google to find a bunch of examples like these: It is true - one ISP I worked for got to a point where Bell Atlantic would not sell us any more PRIs. Full up, store closed, sorry if the tariff says we have to sell it to you just as we have to sell to Morgan Stanley or any other huge customer in the neighborhood.
Then the irony kicks in...
The Telecom Act of '96 had been around a bit and it was the result of the ILECs thinking they'd really lobby up a shitty bill to shaft the CLECs - they'd let them access the phone network, but would charge these itty-bitty phone companies outrageous termination costs for every call.
Being blind to the future as the ILECs generally have been, they thought this was awesome. It was also a reciprocal deal - the CLEC had to pay a per-call termination to the ILEC, but the ILEC had to also pay the CLEC. The ILECs thought this was great since they knew they had all the customers, so all the calls were going from CLEC-to-ILEC. Guess what?
As ILECs were turning down ISPs since they used their PRIs with (tariffed) unlimited inbound calling, where do you think the ISPs (large and small) took their business? That's right... CLECS! All of a sudden the tables were turned and the ILECs were (after being sued a few times) paying huge termination fees to the CLECs because the internet was booming and everyone was making calls from ILEC (your home modem) to the CLEC (your ISP's modem bank).
We actually got money back from our CLEC if we could fill the lines and keep 'em full. 
Did I have a point? I don't know, I just like telling that story. |
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That's not how the masses see it. They see it as they're paying for INTERNET ACCESS. Just like they're paying for electricity, TV, or phone service...
Spin it some more.... |
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| reply to EverAndAnon
I agree with this... Well stated. |
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