madrhino
join:2004-07-03
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to BF69
Re: How do I get into this racket?
said by BF69  :How's that? If you recieve FEDERAL financial aid do they not have a right to put whatever conditions on that as they choose? You have the right not to accept financial aid from the federal government if you wish to pirate stuff. Don't accept the government cheese then bitch about how it tastes. But they stole my cow, threatened her with jail if she didn't give them 1/3 of every gallon of her milk and then wasted most of that making an ounce of cheese per 100 gallons.
--
Get Verizon FIOS,The Anti-DIOS |
|
cwjuhl
@rr.com
| reply to BF69
Conditions of FEDERAL Financial student Aid should not and cannot not be used to benefit a group of PRIVATE businesses by imposing unfunded mandates on funded institutions of learning. When FEDERAL PUBLIC laws are subservient to PRIVATE business concerns, then you no longer have a democracy, you have an oligarchy. That's political science 101. What the RIAA is asking for in this bill is basically socialized access to entertainment.
Under just about any theory of law involving private enterprise, it is the responsibility of the owner of the intellectual property to secure and enforce those property rights. Requiring all of the public (including the higher education system) to pay royalties for intellectual property used by a minority is a perverse kind of corporate entitlement or socialism. IF mandates can be placed for compulsory payments, then mandates need also be placed for fee caps.
But the bottom line is that in a democratic, capitalistic system, it is the property owner's responsibility to protect their property, intellectual or otherwise. If I have a grocery store, the authorities will prosecute a thief. But the authorities will not protect me from thieves by buying me locks or installing an alarm for me at the public expense. Nor will they tax the neighborhood to offset my losses from shoplifting. As a property owner, it is MY responsibility to protect myself. It is the authorities responsibility to prosecute those who violate my property rights. The authorities responsibility is to maintain order for the good of ALL by. as such, their role is primarily reactive and retributive. A property owner has the responsibility of being PROACTIVE.
If the measure is passed, it would probably at some point be ruled an unconstitutional taking.
If the RIAA cannot adequately protect their member's property with their current business model, then they need to find a different business model. That is, after all, the fundamental principle of capitalism and free markets. |
|
cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to DotMac4
i agree that it is way to easy to buy congress and sway their opinions substantially. if you have an opinion on a subject matter, hire a bunch of lobbyists, they'll bribe congresss so that your opinion get through.
for all the money (~$165,200 for house and senate per person per year) that they are being paid, i'm expecting each and everyone of them to do research on what they are voting or proposing, not to have a bunch on highly biased people in suits (or companies for that matter) with lots of money to hand out to tell how to think. Seems like some people have it easy, but such is life.
aside from that, i think colleges to deter illegal network activities, but not be the police. let the police (college, local, state, federal) enforce the laws because it is their job to do, not the network admins. all the network admins should have to do is have reasonable logging and comply with court orders, unless they want to be charged with something.
my college's stance is basically 'if we (the network managers) can't see any illegal stuff, do whatever you please' and they block stuff, shutoff network access to those that are performing illegal activities, and so on, but they are not going on a large time consuming manhunt to illegal network usage. i wouldn't consider them (the network managers) to be turning the blind eye. |
|
DotMac4
Shill H8r
Premium
join:2007-10-26
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to nixen
No kidding. Somewhere I missed MY option to attach similar conditions on my tax payments to the whores in Washington. |
|
nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
 ·Cox HSI
 ·Speakeasy
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by N3OGH :Orwellian, totally f'ng Orwellian. Like you said, with all the shit going on right now, THIS is what Congress is worried about. Nero fiddles......Rome burns... How's that? If you recieve FEDERAL financial aid do they not have a right to put whatever conditions on that as they choose? You have the right not to accept financial aid from the federal government if you wish to pirate stuff. Don't accept the government cheese then bitch about how it tastes. "We've taxed the ever-living f*ck out of the citizens of your state, if you want some of your money back, you have to abide by these conditions." Sure, that makes sense.
--
Everyday, thousands of new cars are delivered to their new owners with poorly-selected radio station presets. |
|
DotMac4
Shill H8r
Premium
join:2007-10-26
Huntington Beach, CA
3 edits | reply to BF69
It's not the gov'ts money, it's the taxpayers' money. It's one thing for the gov't to insist that colleges try and curb piracy by overseeing their own networks. It's quite another to force colleges to PAY THE RIAA membership using TAXPAYER money. That money is for the STUDENTS, not the thugs at the RIAA.
Taking bribes from private industry in exchange for taxpayer money gives us the right to bitch about it. If I gave money to a politician in exchange for favors, I'd go to jail. The RIAA does it and they call it a contribution.
It's corruption, plain and simple. |
|
jp10558
Premium
join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY
| reply to BF69
That's fine if it's like Felons can't vote... I.E. you are convicted of copyright infringment - you lose federal financial aid. I'm down with that as a possible policy.
But if you happen to go to a college that other people pirate at, you lose financial aid? Bullshit. What the hell is this guilt *and* punishment by association. What college could you even go to and be sure than no student was pirating at? That part is wrong.
--
Opera 9.23(Build 8808); Windows XP Pro SP2;Athlon 64 X2 4600+; 2.5GB PC3200 DDR; 1M/128k DSL; NOD32(Version 2.5.25); Outpost Pro 3;Proxomitron 4.5j Grypen 5/23/07(Opera mod),GPG ID:0x0A1C6EE3 |
|
xelnix
join:2006-10-03
Kissimmee, FL | reply to BF69
Why don't they just attach that stipulation to the individual loan? Why make a school full of students liable for the actions of a few? That is my problem with this bill, it is overreaching. Like swatting a fly with a baseball bat. |
|
madrhino
join:2004-07-03
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to DotMac4
said by DotMac4 :Congress has nothing better to do? Nothing that pays as well as the RIAA
--
Get Verizon FIOS,The Anti-DIOS |
|
BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :Orwellian, totally f'ng Orwellian. Like you said, with all the shit going on right now, THIS is what Congress is worried about. Nero fiddles......Rome burns... How's that? If you recieve FEDERAL financial aid do they not have a right to put whatever conditions on that as they choose? You have the right not to accept financial aid from the federal government if you wish to pirate stuff. Don't accept the government cheese then bitch about how it tastes. |
|
N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to DotMac4
Orwellian, totally f'ng Orwellian.
Like you said, with all the shit going on right now, THIS is what Congress is worried about.
Nero fiddles......Rome burns...
--
Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power… |
|
BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| reply to DotMac4
said by DotMac4 :Bitchen...so taxpayer money would be going to support the RIAA. So this is just more proof that bribing politicians works. Dam, we needed more proof???  If you find yourself in Oxford, Wisconsin stop in to the Federal Prison and visit our previous governor. Oh that empty bed next to him? That's reserved for our present governor.  |
|
DotMac4
Shill H8r
Premium
join:2007-10-26
Huntington Beach, CA
3 edits | Bitchen...so taxpayer money would be going to support the RIAA. So this is just more proof that bribing politicians works. You give Congressional whores enough money, you get your favors done in record time.
What's next? Colleges lose financial aid if they don't buy breathalyzers for every student's car? It's not the college's job to pay to stop the criminal actions of others.
Congress has nothing better to do? The budget is balanced, illegal immigration is under control, the war in Iraq over, infrastructure improved, energy policy enacted, environmental concerns addressed, taxes lowered and all the other REAL problems impacting Joe Taxpayer have been solved. Funny, I missed all of these successes in the news.
It's no wonder that Congressional ratings are at record lows (25% »www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm ) , even worse than our retarded President 32% »www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm ) |
|
