batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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Re: A step in the right direction
said by OB Kenobi  : Americans now pay more for less! Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. |
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Athalon11
join:2005-01-27
Clifton, NJ
1 edit | reply to OB Kenobi
said by OB Kenobi :Thanks to the greed of US telecom monopolies, and the corruption of the FCC, we are in a broadband and HDTV ghetto, and the gap is getting bigger. Americans now pay more for less! We don't pay more for less by global standards because thanks to bushy the dollar value is going down the tube. We're still paying the same global value for the same product. Gold is $900 US dollars for a reason, and is not because its supply is shrinking. |
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DotMac4
Shill H8r
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join:2007-10-26
Huntington Beach, CA
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A few see faster speeds. But a lot of people here see speeds faster than that average.
My point is, not everyone in Japan gets 100Mb fiber just like not everyone in the US gets 50Mb FiOS.
Broadband in the US is absolutely a luxury. You don't go from non-existance to necessity in 11 years. In the US we have tons of sources of information and entertainment which may not be the case in some of these countries where the State controls the media (eg NHK, BBC etc). We also don't have an IPTV driven entertainment system. There is simply no demand for 100Mb non-video residential service. If that were the case there would be no one buying the 7Mb Time Warner plans. Everyone would be buying "extreme" tiers.
Us not having universal 100Mb residential fiber is putting us in a bad spot is a myth. The economy isn't residential fiber driven.
Anyone who thinks that 100Mb residential broadband is a necessity that will bring the End of Days if not deployed is dellusional. Residential 100Mb speeds is not the norm anywhere on earth, not in Japan, Taiwan or China. |
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FiL
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join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
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Not buying that...
Japan and Taiwan, hell, even China sees speeds much faster then that "average". I agree with the content issue. You can not negate the fact that braodband in the US is still seen as a luxury, but when internet content starts catering to those countries in which broadband has already been seen as a right a loong time ago, the US will be in a bad spot, playing catch up. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to Bellunder
Which country is that? |
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DotMac4
Shill H8r
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join:2007-10-26
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to Bellunder
It's not the norm, not by a long shot. Average reported speeds coming from Japan are barely over 10Mb according to Speedtest.net. Our larger cable operators offer speeds much faster than that. |
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Bellunder
@teksavvy.com
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But how many users will be on the 400 Mbps node? It doesn't matter about the speed unless it's a true dedicated line all that matters is how many users are on the node. Face the facts it will be useless in America as they'll saturate the node whereas in other countries it's not all about profit and stealing all the subscriber's money. |
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Bellunder
@teksavvy.com | reply to DotMac4
The difference is in other countries it's already the norm whereas in America it's upscale meaning much higher priced. |
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DotMac4
Shill H8r
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join:2007-10-26
Huntington Beach, CA
| reply to OB Kenobi
You say "countries" as if residents there are universally seeing 100Mb service. They aren't. Just like here, a tiny minority in dense cities get that kind of service.
There are providers here doing 20, 30, 50 and 100Mb residential service.
And it's even less true that we're in an HDTV ghetto. We get more HDTV than anyone. In my area I get close to 50 DTV channels OTA and our subscription providers like D* offer dozens and dozens of pay DTV and HDTV channels.
In every country you can find a town, village or hut that has 100Mb service and another that is lucky to get 14kbps service.
And even if what you say is true, and everyone else on earth is at 100Mb and we're at 30Mb, it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. |
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OB Kenobi
join:2005-05-29
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to DotMac4
said by DotMac4 :Who worldwide is offering faster than 100Mb speeds residential speeds? There are some high rises in Japan that have 100Mb fiber service for residential. Maybe three years ago that was true. Today, numerous countries in the EU and Asia are rolling out FTTH at 100Mbps (symmetric) and higher in some cases. We're not talking about isolated apartment buildings anymore.
What's going to happen to America when so many other countries reach 100Mbps and Americans are still at 30Mbps max? You will see internet "content" cater to those other countries instead of America.
Thanks to the greed of US telecom monopolies, and the corruption of the FCC, we are in a broadband and HDTV ghetto, and the gap is getting bigger. Americans now pay more for less! |
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Nsane_iceman
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North Richland Hills, TX
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said by LSJ :
And there are hardly any servers that would be able to support your sustained download speeds, I have even noticed that downloading all my emails from Google is below 1 meg, so if a huge company like Google doesn't max out my 1.5 meg dsl, it would help with very few servers to have a 100 or 400 meg download connection.
I would figure that servers and companies would always have faster connections than the residential sector...
Demand goes up supply should too, over time that is. |
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Commander
Duty is ours. Consequences are God's.
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join:2007-07-29
Keeling, VA
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said by dll31p :you obvously dont know what you're talking about. 400 Mbps is faster than anything currently available, outside of an OC12 connection. please use your head before you use your mouth. edit* and since i'm at the top i'll put my message here. I wish ppl would complain about quality of servicy over quantity of service. I mean who really gives a damn that you can max out your hard drive's ability to write data. Thats great. Now you can download the tv shows and applications that will take you a year to actually view- in only seconds! I mean, someone can really create a mess of files with that kind of speed right? What about 40 ms latency cross country, or 0 packet loss? now thats when i'll get giddy. I agree with you. So called speed is overrated. Latency is important too. The size of the pipe is one factor.
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dll31p
join:2004-07-09 | reply to Kompressor
i know, thats why i wasnt rude |
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Kompressor
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join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to dll31p
It was a joke.  |
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dll31p
join:2004-07-09 | reply to LSJ
its probably less than 1 meg because your reading mB. or kB rather in your download screen. you would need an 8 "meg" connection for windows to tell you your getting 1 mB. |
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LSJ
@qwest.net
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| reply to dll31p
And there are hardly any servers that would be able to support your sustained download speeds, I have even noticed that downloading all my emails from Google is below 1 meg, so if a huge company like Google doesn't max out my 1.5 meg dsl, it would help with very few servers to have a 100 or 400 meg download connection. |
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dll31p
join:2004-07-09 | reply to Kompressor
and u think i care why? |
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Kompressor
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join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA
| reply to dll31p
Re: A step in the right direction
said by dll31p :please use your head before you use your mouth. That is a politically incorrect statement. |
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dll31p
join:2004-07-09
1 edit | reply to Bellunder
you obvously dont know what you're talking about. 400 Mbps is faster than anything currently available, outside of an OC12 connection. please use your head before you use your mouth.
edit* and since i'm at the top i'll put my message here. I wish ppl would complain about quality of servicy over quantity of service. I mean who really gives a damn that you can max out your hard drive's ability to write data. Thats great. Now you can download the tv shows and applications that will take you a year to actually view- in only seconds! I mean, someone can really create a mess of files with that kind of speed right?
What about 40 ms latency cross country, or 0 packet loss? now thats when i'll get giddy. |
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