ib50MbSoon
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1 edit | Can't the sock puppet read?
Well DUH! Comcast's TOS clearly states no servers. P2P is a server.
If you want a server, rent one from one of the bazillion hosting companies on the Net.
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moonpuppy
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| said by ib50MbSoon  :Well DUH! Comcast's TOS clearly states no servers. P2P is a server. So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing? |
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Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server!
There are more home servers out there today then commercial ones.
Ever hear of Skype? 44 million others have! Skype runs on a p2p protocol. Guess what? Skype is a server.
If Comcast and others strictly enforced their ToS, 3/4 of their customers would be kicked off their network! How do you think THAT would affect their bottom line?
Let me clue you into something...you don't need a
10 mbit/1mbit connection to browse the web and do email.
Why do you think they offer such big pipes? For us to run servers!
Their ToS is the cable equalivent of "Don't ask, don't tell". |
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ib50MbSoon
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Re: Can't the sock puppet read?
said by moonpuppy :So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing? Are chat programs bandwidth-intensive applications that run unattended 24/7?
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ib50MbSoon
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Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server!
said by qworster :Ever hear of Skype? 44 million others have! Skype runs on a p2p protocol. Guess what? Skype is a server. Is skype a bandwidth-intensive app that sucks your connection dry 24/7/365?
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hobgoblin
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said by qworster :If Comcast and others strictly enforced their ToS, 3/4 of their customers would be kicked off their network! How do you think THAT would affect their bottom line? But they are NOT strictly enforcing it are they?
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moonpuppy
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Re: Can't the sock puppet read?
said by ib50MbSoon :said by moonpuppy :So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing? Are chat programs bandwidth-intensive applications that run unattended 24/7? They are still servers and therefore, against the TOS. |
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cornelius785
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i'd hardly call all p2p stuff servers. servers imply there are clients. the server hosts some service (ftp, http, mail, game, etc.) for clients to use. i'd consider the majority p2p stuff more ad-hoc than server based. bittorrent (assuming you are not hosting a tracker) is more of a hybrid, but you are NOT the server, but only a client to the tracker server, but only a PEER to everyone else on the ad-hoc network. why do you think they call it 'PEER to PEER' anyways? this is no longer the traditional warez system of servers hosting the pirated material and clients downloading the files. |
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jester121
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said by moonpuppy :said by ib50MbSoon :Well DUH! Comcast's TOS clearly states no servers. P2P is a server. So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing? We could argue that point -- offering an assortment of files for anonymous strangers to download seems a lot more "server-like" than a 1:1 connection streaming audio and video (or text) back and forth. I bet I'd win in court. 
[Please, spare us the dictionary definition, if anyone's thinking of pasting it in -- we've all read it and it's not really helpful to the conversation.] |
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DotMac4
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They don't say only "bandwidth-intensive" servers...all servers are a violation of the Comcast TOS/AUP. |
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL | reply to qworster
Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server!
The nice thing about a TOS is that it can be enforced selectively, even at a whim. This goes against the kindergarten "THAT'S NO FAIR" mentality that's pervaded our society, but that's life. |
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ib50MbSoon
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Re: Can't the sock puppet read?
said by cornelius785 : why do you think they call it 'PEER to PEER' anyways? I thought it was PIRATE to PIRATE. 
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| True but I don't want some company clamping don't on p2p it will create a snow ball effect and they will say "Hey why not do it on our most bandwith intensive hours" If you offer the speed you can do 2 things
1. Offer the speed with out crippling it at all
2. Set up bandwith caps that clearly state your limit.
Personally I would rather be caped then have sandvine.
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moonpuppy
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said by jester121 :[Please, spare us the dictionary definition, if anyone's thinking of pasting it in -- we've all read it and it's not really helpful to the conversation.] Really? Why don't the ISPs spare us the legalese that defines nearly everything we do online against the TOS. |
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RJ44
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said by DotMac4 :They don't say only "bandwidth-intensive" servers...all servers are a violation of the Comcast TOS/AUP. They didn't say it, but you can bet your last dollar that's what it means. It's a clause put in their to protect their butts, and if they need to use it they will. They don't care about the strict definition of a server, they care about making sure their network runs smoothly. |
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Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server!
said by hobgoblin :said by qworster :If Comcast and others strictly enforced their ToS, 3/4 of their customers would be kicked off their network! How do you think THAT would affect their bottom line? But they are NOT strictly enforcing it are they? Hob Nope they are not. Instead they use Sandvine to kick us off individual programs. This gives them the ILLUSION of being a net neutral ISP-without actually having to BE one! |
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hobgoblin
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| "Nope they are not. Instead they use Sandvine to kick us off individual programs. This gives them the ILLUSION of being a net neutral ISP-without actually having to BE one!"
What they are doing has absolutely nothing to do with net neutrality. Its safeguarding their network which they are perfectly entitled to do....but you knew that |
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said by ib50MbSoon :Is skype a bandwidth-intensive app that sucks your connection dry 24/7/365? Neither is BT for many legit users, but you're missing the point. Crap-canning all of P2P technology/uses shuns perfectly legitimate (and non-bandwidth hogging) uses that many come to define why they use the internet. |
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Re: Can't the sock puppet read?
said by moonpuppy :They are still servers and therefore, against the TOS. Just like the police don't enforce all traffic laws all the time but reserve the right to stick it to you when they feel like it, Comcast can enforce the TOS when and how they see fit. There is no law that says they have to enforce every infraction of the TOS. But they can enforce the TOS whenever they feel like. Don't like that, then go elsewhere.
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said by DotMac4 :They don't say only "bandwidth-intensive" servers...all servers are a violation of the Comcast TOS/AUP. Just like the police don't enforce all traffic laws all the time but reserve the right to stick it to you when they feel like it, Comcast can enforce the TOS when and how they see fit. There is no law that says they have to enforce every infraction of the TOS. But they can enforce the TOS whenever they feel like. Don't like that, then go elsewhere
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