Topic 'Re: Can't the sock puppet read?' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435376 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:34:20 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:34:20 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19499187
Till then do you prefer grape, cherry or orange? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19499187 Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:38:13 EDT Re: and I'll say it again! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-and-Ill-say-it-again-19448482 said by qworster:

How is intercepting and forging Bit Torrent packets-causing my requested downloads to stop-any different from forging VOIP packets causing my phone calls to stop?If your ISP discriminately degrades/shapes/blocks your VoIP connection in favor of their own telephony offering, then it's a potential network neutrality issue. If your ISP indiscriminately degrades/shapes/blocks connectivity without favoring their own service (Comcast doesn't have a competing P2P service for exchanging files), then it's not a neutrality issue, it's a network management issue.
said by qworster:

If I make a request to a tracker, and Comcast DELIBERATELY intercepts this PRIVATE communication and then FORGES my request to mean something else, how can this be okay?
You need to get over your belief that you have private communications in a shared world.
said by qworster:

Who made YOU the data judge?
I did :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-and-Ill-say-it-again-19448482 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:55:57 EDT and I'll say it again! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/and-Ill-say-it-again-19448390
DATA IS DATA!!!!!!!

If I make a request to a tracker, and Comcast DELIBERATELY intercepts this PRIVATE communication and then FORGES my request to mean something else, how can this be okay?

Who made YOU the data judge?

By the way, the FCC did EXACTLY that! Their interpretation of the 1996 Communications Act (you know-the Act for the next 50 years it was touted as) has them claiming that ALL the competitive provisions the telcos agreed to (so they could enter the VERY lucrative long distance business) only applied to the copper plant in existance as of 1996!
Do you GET THIS? The Act for the next 50 years was OBSOLETE the day it went into effect! Even worse, the FCC then 'de-regulated' DSL, which essentially ELIMINATED all the telco requirements of the 1996 Act.

THOUSANDS of small ISP's ceased to exist as a result of the FCC decisions-essentially eliminating competition in DSL.
Even Covad-by FAR the biggest CLEC was forced into bankruptcy from the FCC decisions!
They still are in chapter 11 by the way-and there's no guarantee they will survive.
The FCC also came down on big Cable's side by declaring that cable internet is an information service as opposed to a cable service (how can a service that's delivered on cable TV lines not be a cable TV service?).
As such, it did not have to open up its lines to competitors.

But that's okay-because the FCC ruled the OPPOSITE regarding DSL. They ruled that DSL Internet is NOT a communications service. In other words, Internet delivered by telco lines is NOT a telephone service!

So, we have the Internet-but if it's delivered by cable lines it's not a cable service, and if it's delivered by telco lines it's not a communications service!

WHAT IS IT THEN?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/and-Ill-say-it-again-19448390 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:42:36 EDT Re: and...What if I CAN'T speak out with my wallet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-andWhat-if-I-CANT-speak-out-with-my-wallet-19446645 said by qworster:

The FCC has set up a de facto monopoly in many areas for broadband-with high prices to match.The FCC hasn't done any such thing.
said by qworster:

What's next? Comcast intercepting my VOIP packets and saying: "He hung up"? Maybe Comcast intercepting my packets to sites critical of them?
This is the last time I'll say this. These hypothetical situations are network neutrality issues and will be met in a similar fashion to that of the Madison River situation IF they ever occur...which I don't believe they will. The precedence has already been established.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-andWhat-if-I-CANT-speak-out-with-my-wallet-19446645 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:49:50 EDT and...What if I CAN'T speak out with my wallet? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/andWhat-if-I-CANT-speak-out-with-my-wallet-19444352
No, I wasn't referring to Homelend security above. I was referring to Sandvine intercepting my p2p packets and forging them to say: "disconnect me" to the end server.

This IS happening-NOW!

What's next? Comcast intercepting my VOIP packets and saying: "He hung up"? Maybe Comcast intercepting my packets to sites critical of them?

Where do you draw the line on this stuff? I say the best place is to NEVER ALLOW IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. You say it's okay, because you trust Comcast to police themselves. Were does this trust come from? Do I have to remind you that Comcast LIED when initially confronted about Sandvine?

Explain to me why I should trust any big corporation-show me ONE big corporation that cares about US more then THEMSELVES-and I'll reconsider. Until then, I distrust the herd of them!

With good reason....they lie!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/andWhat-if-I-CANT-speak-out-with-my-wallet-19444352 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:37:47 EDT Re: So in other words... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-in-other-words-19443953 said by qworster:

So, in other words, it's okay for Comcast to intercept and forge packets of some of my communications (without telling me, of course), but not others.Are you referring to your previous comment about Homeland Security arresting people for cyber terrorism? If so, then if the ISP is managing their network fairly and equitably across the board, then yes, it's ok. If you own a network and are providing service in a similar manner and fairly and equitably manage traffic across the board, then you are ok. If however, you want to intercept an individual's specific traffic with intent of exploitation of that specific user, then you are asking for trouble.
said by qworster:

Who decides what packets they do this to? Comcast.
Yes.
said by qworster:

Who says they limit it to just Bit Torrent? No one.
No one but dissatisfied users who speak out with their wallets.
said by qworster:

What stops them from doing this to ANY packets they choose?
Nothing.
said by qworster:

I wonder why Vonage won't work well with my brother's Comcast HSI connection, but works great with mine.
Got any answers for me?
That's a loaded question if I've ever read one around here. You need to provide a lot more detail before anyone can begin to answer this question.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-in-other-words-19443953 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:19:54 EDT So in other words... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/So-in-other-words-19443780
Who decides what packets they do this to? Comcast.

Who says they limit it to just Bit Torrent? No one.

What stops them from doing this to ANY packets they choose?

NOTHING!!

I wonder why Vonage won't work well with my brother's Comcast HSI connection, but works great with mine.
Got any answers for me? Hmmm?

And you think this is A-OK.. RIGHT?

Well, I don't!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/So-in-other-words-19443780 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:48:05 EDT Re: Wrong! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wrong-19442085 said by qworster:

Intercepting p2p traffc and forging its headers so it says the OPPOSITE of what YOU wanted is NOT: "shaping across the board without showing favoritism anywhere". It is specifically trashing ONE protocol!Call it what you will, but it's still ubiquitous and therefore doesn't fall into the "net neutrality" realm.
said by qworster:

If you or I did this to someone else, we'd quite possibly have Homeland Security arresting us for cyber terrorism!
Not if you owned the network and had a requirement to manage it for the service you are providing to customers.
said by qworster:

"It's their network, they can do what they want". That isn't true. See, when I subscribe, I RENT A PIECE of their network. What they're doing is no different then my landlord walking into my apartment whenever she wants to with no appointment.
It's against the law for my landlord to do so, and is should also be illegal for Comcast (or any other ISP) to intercept MY private traffic
You "rent" your piece of the network based on the ToS and AUP agreements, just like you rent your apartment based on the lease agreement. While your landlord can't legally just waltz into you apartment whenever s/he desires with no reason, s/he can enter your apartment legally based on safety of life and property, and for conducting routine maintenance of the property. Guess what, that's exactly what Comcast is doing...maintaining the network.
said by qworster:

What's next? Email interception and forgery? Interception and forgery of news stories that are unkind to them? I know-they'll filter all traffic to the Broadbandreports.com domain. But that'll be just FINE by all of you, RIGHT?
Not that these hypothetical scenarios will happen, but they would be net neutrality issues that that should be handled appropriately. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Wrong-19442085 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:09:56 EDT Wrong! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Wrong-19441922
What's next? Email interception and forgery? Interception and forgery of news stories that are unkind to them? I know-they'll intercept all traffic you send to the Broadbandreports.com domain and replace any that's critical of them with glowing reports! But that'll be just FINE by all of you, RIGHT?

After all, it's THEIR network....... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Wrong-19441922 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:46:28 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19440102 --
Norman
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Who rents P2P servers? Geeze Norm, ever wonder why they are not easy to find?
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If they are allowed to degrade the service of a certain protocol just because a lot of people use it, what happens when they decide that streaming video uses too much resources? Thay can then degrade every other streaming video site and only allow theres to work. Or try to degrade it altogether since hey, they make more money from cable tv anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19439302 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:16:56 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19439298
Do you think that P2P doesn't offer "network content" to "anyone outside of your Premises LAN"?
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Well DUH! Comcast's TOS clearly states no servers. P2P is a server.
Not so clearly as you think. The AUP actually prohibits "...providing network content, or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network)...". So, while P2P probably qualifies as a violation of this policy, not everything which is a "server" does. Not even a mail server, if it is set up to only provide email service for the Comcast members on the LAN.
If you want a server, rent one from one of the bazillion hosting companies on the Net.
Who rents P2P servers?
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Thank You.

And even so they are treating all p2p traffic equally!

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19439218 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:04:36 EDT Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19439195 said by Boogeyman:

Um, actually its the definition of network neutrality. All network protocols/services are supposed to receive equally neutral treatment. NO. The definition of Network Neutrality is that all content providers are treated equally - not all protocols or services. Your definition of Network Neutrality has been twisted to fit your bizarre interpretation.
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They are blocking a certain service on their network because they feel it uses too much bandwidth.

They can call it a "quality of service" issue all they want, it doesnt mean its not going against the principle of network neutrality.

If thats ok, then I think we should ban all Cadillacs from public roads. They are so big and take up so much space, and besides, its mostly drug dealers driving them. So its ok then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19439128 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:51:24 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19438695 said by ThrowDemsOut:

Just like the police don't enforce all traffic laws all the time but reserve the right to stick it to you when they feel like it, Comcast can enforce the TOS when and how they see fit. There is no law that says they have to enforce every infraction of the TOS. But they can enforce the TOS whenever they feel like. Don't like that, then go elsewhere.
Felt strongly enough you had to say it twice? :uhh:

Selective enforcement leads to problems. The problem becomes what was o.k. at one time becomes against the rules the next day. This leads to questioning on whether or not the TOS is selectively enforced for nefarious reasons. If companies do this then they deserved to be called out for hypocrisy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19438695 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:40:39 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19438630 said by ThrowDemsOut:

... Don't like that, then go elsewhere.
you say that a lot and it makes me sad. I don't have any elsewhere to go to. Does this mean you hate me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19438630 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:30:14 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19438553 said by DotMac4:

They don't say only "bandwidth-intensive" servers...all servers are a violation of the Comcast TOS/AUP.
Just like the police don't enforce all traffic laws all the time but reserve the right to stick it to you when they feel like it, Comcast can enforce the TOS when and how they see fit. There is no law that says they have to enforce every infraction of the TOS. But they can enforce the TOS whenever they feel like. Don't like that, then go elsewhere
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They are still servers and therefore, against the TOS.
Just like the police don't enforce all traffic laws all the time but reserve the right to stick it to you when they feel like it, Comcast can enforce the TOS when and how they see fit. There is no law that says they have to enforce every infraction of the TOS. But they can enforce the TOS whenever they feel like. Don't like that, then go elsewhere.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19438540 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:15:27 EDT Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19436598 said by extreme50:

Is skype a bandwidth-intensive app that sucks your connection dry 24/7/365?Neither is BT for many legit users, but you're missing the point. Crap-canning all of P2P technology/uses shuns perfectly legitimate (and non-bandwidth hogging) uses that many come to define why they use the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19436598 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:56:31 EDT Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19436391
What they are doing has absolutely nothing to do with net neutrality. Its safeguarding their network which they are perfectly entitled to do....but you knew that]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19436391 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:26:57 EDT Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19436218 said by hobgoblin:

said by qworster:

If Comcast and others strictly enforced their ToS, 3/4 of their customers would be kicked off their network! How do you think THAT would affect their bottom line?
But they are NOT strictly enforcing it are they?

Hob
Nope they are not. Instead they use Sandvine to kick us off individual programs. This gives them the ILLUSION of being a net neutral ISP-without actually having to BE one!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19436218 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:06:40 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19436172 said by DotMac4:

They don't say only "bandwidth-intensive" servers...all servers are a violation of the Comcast TOS/AUP.
They didn't say it, but you can bet your last dollar that's what it means. It's a clause put in their to protect their butts, and if they need to use it they will. They don't care about the strict definition of a server, they care about making sure their network runs smoothly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19436172 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:59:37 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19436073 said by jester121:

[Please, spare us the dictionary definition, if anyone's thinking of pasting it in -- we've all read it and it's not really helpful to the conversation.]
Really? Why don't the ISPs spare us the legalese that defines nearly everything we do online against the TOS. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19436073 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:46:13 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435874 1. Offer the speed with out crippling it at all
2. Set up bandwith caps that clearly state your limit.
Personally I would rather be caped then have sandvine.
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why do you think they call it 'PEER to PEER' anyways? I thought it was PIRATE to PIRATE. :D
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said by extreme50:

Well DUH! Comcast's TOS clearly states no servers. P2P is a server.
So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing?
We could argue that point -- offering an assortment of files for anonymous strangers to download seems a lot more "server-like" than a 1:1 connection streaming audio and video (or text) back and forth. I bet I'd win in court. :)

[Please, spare us the dictionary definition, if anyone's thinking of pasting it in -- we've all read it and it's not really helpful to the conversation.]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435735 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:51:08 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435599 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435599 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:32:35 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435582 said by extreme50:

said by moonpuppy:

So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing?
Are chat programs bandwidth-intensive applications that run unattended 24/7?
They are still servers and therefore, against the TOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435582 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:30:11 EDT Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19435521 said by qworster:

If Comcast and others strictly enforced their ToS, 3/4 of their customers would be kicked off their network! How do you think THAT would affect their bottom line?
But they are NOT strictly enforcing it are they?

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19435521 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:19:36 EDT Re: Well, DUH! EVERYTHING today is a server! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19435486 said by qworster:

Ever hear of Skype? 44 million others have! Skype runs on a p2p protocol. Guess what? Skype is a server. Is skype a bandwidth-intensive app that sucks your connection dry 24/7/365?
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So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing? Are chat programs bandwidth-intensive applications that run unattended 24/7?
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Ever hear of Skype? 44 million others have! Skype runs on a p2p protocol. Guess what? Skype is a server.

If Comcast and others strictly enforced their ToS, 3/4 of their customers would be kicked off their network! How do you think THAT would affect their bottom line?

Let me clue you into something...you don't need a
10 mbit/1mbit connection to browse the web and do email.

Why do you think they offer such big pipes? For us to run servers!

Their ToS is the cable equalivent of "Don't ask, don't tell".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Well-DUH-EVERYTHING-today-is-a-server-19435457 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:08:15 EDT Re: Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435419 said by extreme50:

Well DUH! Comcast's TOS clearly states no servers. P2P is a server.

So is every chat program out there. Should we ban those too? How about video conferencing? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435419 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:02:50 EDT Can't the sock puppet read? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cant-the-sock-puppet-read-19435376
If you want a server, rent one from one of the bazillion hosting companies on the Net.
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