Re: Don't think this dog will hunt... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19438490 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:21:39 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:21:39 EDT Re: Don't think this dog will hunt... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19759277 Ulmo :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Verizon is going to have a hard time pushing this one.

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Further, I think that they are going to have some hard, VERY HARD, regulatory hurdles to get through when people finally wake up and fight back.
VZ has been careful to roll out FiOS in such a way they don't piss (many) people off, including constituents and politicians. This will cause the anti-remove-copper-group to have little power. There may be a few tiny skirmishes, but they'll have less impact than the copper thieves unless the police start catching them faster somehow (some technology comes to mind).

I'm not saying that there's no use for copper. But c'mon ... the only reason copper is better than fiber right now is entirely regulatory in source, so technically the copper is far inferior, and the regulations making copper better or FiOS worse could easily be changed and/or eliminated.
(One way copper is made better by regulations is the competition it holds that fiber does not.) There's also the ability to have line power on the copper line and not have batteries for your phone, but that's about it. Maybe a few other little things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19759277 Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:48:21 EDT Re: Don't think this dog will hunt... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19446561 fiberguy : I know what fiber is.. it's the line.. I'm referring to the product and the difference of Fiber/Copper.. ok?

.. if it's tariffed, that's fine, but it's still void of certain regulation. Are they still a common carrier? Are you able to get, say, Earthlink broadband over the fiber line?

.. no.. the Fiber is not under the same rules as copper.
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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and I’m told it’s a woman’s prerogative..."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19446561 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:35:06 EDT Re: Don't think this dog will hunt... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19441062 danclan : the fiber is not the services running on it..they are still tarrifed.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19441062 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:51:46 EDT Re: Don't think this dog will hunt... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19439197 fiberguy : It's my understanding that the Fiber product is exempt from certain regulatory rules... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19439197 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:01:39 EDT Re: Don't think this dog will hunt... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19438490 openbox9 :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Not that fiber isn't a better product, not all customers are going to want a product that isn't network powered OR where they are under protection of a regulatory body for such an important life line service.
What :o I thought everyone "needed" FTTH....
said by fiberguy See Profile :

if the government (PUC) puts their foot down and forces the same regulation on the FiOS product as they do the copper service.
Is Verizon voice via FiOS not regulated?
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Last time I checked, the Incumbent provider was supposed to wire every home in it's service area...
And they still do. I don't believe that requirement has changed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19438490 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:05:23 EDT Don't think this dog will hunt... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19438062 fiberguy : Verizon is going to have a hard time pushing this one.

The TOS is based and geared towards the product - not the house. I am really curious how Verizon is going to be able to uphold the ability to force a customers to act is one way on a different product line based on the TOS of another.

Further, I think that they are going to have some hard, VERY HARD, regulatory hurdles to get through when people finally wake up and fight back.

Not that fiber isn't a better product, not all customers are going to want a product that isn't network powered OR where they are under protection of a regulatory body for such an important life line service.

The ONLY way that I'd be satisfied to be forced off of one technology is if the government (PUC) puts their foot down and forces the same regulation on the FiOS product as they do the copper service.

The absence of consumer protections in any city (ie: Fios/Cable Vision served areas) is NEVER good for the consumer. If FiOS is non-regulated, then who protects the consumer? The courts?

Last time I checked, the Incumbent provider was supposed to wire every home in it's service area... Verizon wants it's cake and to eat it too.

Bottom line, I don't think this TOS is going to fly...
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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and I’m told it’s a woman’s prerogative..."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19438062 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:55:43 EDT