Re: A step in the right direction in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19448171 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:11:09 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:11:09 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19469945 batterup :
said by OB Kenobi See Profile :

Americans now pay more for less!
Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19469945 Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:40:34 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19448171 Athalon11 :
said by OB Kenobi See Profile :

Thanks to the greed of US telecom monopolies, and the corruption of the FCC, we are in a broadband and HDTV ghetto, and the gap is getting bigger. Americans now pay more for less!
We don't pay more for less by global standards because thanks to bushy the dollar value is going down the tube. We're still paying the same global value for the same product. Gold is $900 US dollars for a reason, and is not because its supply is shrinking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19448171 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:08:17 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436936 DotMac4 : A few see faster speeds. But a lot of people here see speeds faster than that average.

My point is, not everyone in Japan gets 100Mb fiber just like not everyone in the US gets 50Mb FiOS.

Broadband in the US is absolutely a luxury. You don't go from non-existance to necessity in 11 years. In the US we have tons of sources of information and entertainment which may not be the case in some of these countries where the State controls the media (eg NHK, BBC etc). We also don't have an IPTV driven entertainment system. There is simply no demand for 100Mb non-video residential service. If that were the case there would be no one buying the 7Mb Time Warner plans. Everyone would be buying "extreme" tiers.

Us not having universal 100Mb residential fiber is putting us in a bad spot is a myth. The economy isn't residential fiber driven.

Anyone who thinks that 100Mb residential broadband is a necessity that will bring the End of Days if not deployed is dellusional. Residential 100Mb speeds is not the norm anywhere on earth, not in Japan, Taiwan or China.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436936 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:48:02 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436833 FiL : Not buying that...

Japan and Taiwan, hell, even China sees speeds much faster then that "average". I agree with the content issue. You can not negate the fact that braodband in the US is still seen as a luxury, but when internet content starts catering to those countries in which broadband has already been seen as a right a loong time ago, the US will be in a bad spot, playing catch up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436833 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:34:10 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436315 Ahrenl : Which country is that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436315 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:18:10 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436022 DotMac4 : It's not the norm, not by a long shot. Average reported speeds coming from Japan are barely over 10Mb according to Speedtest.net. Our larger cable operators offer speeds much faster than that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19436022 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:39:14 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19435839 anon : But how many users will be on the 400 Mbps node? It doesn't matter about the speed unless it's a true dedicated line all that matters is how many users are on the node. Face the facts it will be useless in America as they'll saturate the node whereas in other countries it's not all about profit and stealing all the subscriber's money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19435839 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:06:20 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19435813 anon : The difference is in other countries it's already the norm whereas in America it's upscale meaning much higher priced.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19435813 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:03:04 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19435349 DotMac4 : You say "countries" as if residents there are universally seeing 100Mb service. They aren't. Just like here, a tiny minority in dense cities get that kind of service.

There are providers here doing 20, 30, 50 and 100Mb residential service.

And it's even less true that we're in an HDTV ghetto. We get more HDTV than anyone. In my area I get close to 50 DTV channels OTA and our subscription providers like D* offer dozens and dozens of pay DTV and HDTV channels.

In every country you can find a town, village or hut that has 100Mb service and another that is lucky to get 14kbps service.

And even if what you say is true, and everyone else on earth is at 100Mb and we're at 30Mb, it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19435349 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:47:37 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19434268 OB Kenobi :
said by DotMac4 See Profile :

Who worldwide is offering faster than 100Mb speeds residential speeds? There are some high rises in Japan that have 100Mb fiber service for residential.
Maybe three years ago that was true. Today, numerous countries in the EU and Asia are rolling out FTTH at 100Mbps (symmetric) and higher in some cases. We're not talking about isolated apartment buildings anymore.

What's going to happen to America when so many other countries reach 100Mbps and Americans are still at 30Mbps max? You will see internet "content" cater to those other countries instead of America.

Thanks to the greed of US telecom monopolies, and the corruption of the FCC, we are in a broadband and HDTV ghetto, and the gap is getting bigger. Americans now pay more for less!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19434268 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:24:49 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19433715 Nsane_iceman :
said by LSJ :

And there are hardly any servers that would be able to support your sustained download speeds, I have even noticed that downloading all my emails from Google is below 1 meg, so if a huge company like Google doesn't max out my 1.5 meg dsl, it would help with very few servers to have a 100 or 400 meg download connection.
I would figure that servers and companies would always have faster connections than the residential sector...

Demand goes up supply should too, over time that is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19433715 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:24:40 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19433635 Commander :
said by dll31p See Profile :

you obvously dont know what you're talking about. 400 Mbps is faster than anything currently available, outside of an OC12 connection. please use your head before you use your mouth.

edit* and since i'm at the top i'll put my message here. I wish ppl would complain about quality of servicy over quantity of service. I mean who really gives a damn that you can max out your hard drive's ability to write data. Thats great. Now you can download the tv shows and applications that will take you a year to actually view- in only seconds! I mean, someone can really create a mess of files with that kind of speed right?
What about 40 ms latency cross country, or 0 packet loss? now thats when i'll get giddy.
I agree with you. So called speed is overrated. Latency is important too. The size of the pipe is one factor.
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said by dll31p See Profile :

please use your head before you use your mouth.
That is a politically incorrect statement. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431968 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:05:45 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431865 dll31p : you obvously dont know what you're talking about. 400 Mbps is faster than anything currently available, outside of an OC12 connection. please use your head before you use your mouth.

edit* and since i'm at the top i'll put my message here. I wish ppl would complain about quality of servicy over quantity of service. I mean who really gives a damn that you can max out your hard drive's ability to write data. Thats great. Now you can download the tv shows and applications that will take you a year to actually view- in only seconds! I mean, someone can really create a mess of files with that kind of speed right?
What about 40 ms latency cross country, or 0 packet loss? now thats when i'll get giddy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431865 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:51:34 EDT Re: A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431713 DotMac4 : Who worldwide is offering faster than 100Mb speeds residential speeds? There are some high rises in Japan that have 100Mb fiber service for residential.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431713 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:28:58 EDT A step in the right direction http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431428 anon : Still slow by worldwide standards but a step in the right direction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19431428 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:45:48 EDT