cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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| Why so wishy washey?
Why not just settle on MOCA and be done with it?
It's obviously successful with Verizon's Motorola gear. It's also pushed from Moto, and Cox embraced it.
Second half of next year? Give me a break, It'll be 2010 when it gets to our area. Comcast is the slowest company to innovate. Funny how that is because they are one of the most expensive companies. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | I though Comcast wanted out of the settop box retail business? now they are saying they want to be do it ? We will never had choice in dvr, or tvs. It Comcast way or the highway, or maybe FIOS. |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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 ·CableOne
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said by cypherstream  :Why not just settle on MOCA and be done with it? It's obviously successful with Verizon's Motorola gear. It's also pushed from Moto, and Cox embraced it. MOCA is a great idea, but what if you want to move a TV? Then you have to call a tech to come install another outlet. And the hardware is hard to fine (AFAIK).
I like the idea of running everything over ethernet. Then, you can either use wireless adapters or powerline adapters that can be purchased at any big box electronics store.
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs: | Well if you move the TV, wouldn't you need to move the outlet anyway? How else would you get live cable TV without a cable outlet? |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| said by cypherstream :Well if you move the TV, wouldn't you need to move the outlet anyway? How else would you get live cable TV without a cable outlet? Hence the reason the parent poster wants to use Ethernet. It has so many mediums it can travel over it makes it fairly easy to get any where.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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Apparently you aren't understanding the concept of networking; the TV feed would come from the MAIN cable box hooked to the cable line in one room, via networking. We are just discussing WHICH TYPE of networking would work best in this case. |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | reply to BosstonesOwn
Exactly. You said it better than I did. |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to PolarBear
said by PolarBear :MOCA is a great idea, but what if you want to move a TV? Then you have to call a tech to come install another outlet. And the hardware is hard to fine (AFAIK). Wouldn't you have to do that anyways? TO have a MultiRoom DVR you need a cable box on each TV... |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to PolarBear
said by PolarBear :Apparently you aren't understanding the concept of networking; the TV feed would come from the MAIN cable box hooked to the cable line in one room, via networking. We are just discussing WHICH TYPE of networking would work best in this case. I want to watch more than One channel on my additional TV's |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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| reply to PolarBear
Sure you could network recorded DVR content that way, but the client cable box in the bedroom or whatever would also need to be connected to the coax to pull one of the oob data addressing channels (our area uses 104.2 MHz). Without this connection the set top box will not download the guide or turn on features such as DVR or MRDVR.
What your looking for is something more like Slingbox. Comcast is trying to implement this using existing cable boxes with little to no modification (therefore costs less). Plus I'm sure they don't mind sending a tech out to relocate an outlet, they do charge $$ for it after all. |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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| reply to Fubar
said by Fubar :said by PolarBear :MOCA is a great idea, but what if you want to move a TV? Then you have to call a tech to come install another outlet. And the hardware is hard to fine (AFAIK). Wouldn't you have to do that anyways? TO have a MultiRoom DVR you need a cable box on each TV... No you don't. Dish Network has MultiRoom DVRs, and there is only ONE box on ONE TV, but you can watch a DIFFERENT channel (or recording) on a second TV.
Everyone is acting like this is some great new concept that nobody's ever heard about and trying to figure out how to implement it, but Dish Network has been doing it for years. This is only new to the cable companies because they are starting to figure out that they can't keep continuing to tell customers "this is the way it is, deal with it or piss off," because there is too much competition now. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to PolarBear
Coax, in my opinion, is much more efficient anyway. The fact is that it's going to go from room to room where the existing TVs already are.. you can back feed right through the existing house wires and just insert the RF block at the house block.
HOWEVER, where you will run into some issues is where you have customers on multiple drops - as there are some - and then customers who's wires don't all terminate at the same place. For that reason, I can see the need to have another way around it. Otherwise, you start to alienate some of your customers. Albeit a very small hand-full, but you will alienate them none the less. You also have the issue of apartment complexes where customer outlets terminate in the box direct to a tap. Those customers are going to have to be wired to a splitter direct and blocked in order to network.
There are MANY different variables and I just see Comcast taking, as usual, a slower approach.
What a lot of people here don't realize or even think about are the various ways that people get hooked up and how they differ.. rather, they look at their own home and believe it's just simple as 1, 2, 3. Look at how Verizon too Fios. They went for the masses and wired only homes to start.. apartment installs are just coming into play now.. so Verizon felt that it was best to alienate a good size portion of their base. How many people got upset over that? Comcast and cable has a bad enough rap going already... some people say comcast is slow, while others say they take a cautious approach to things.. I happen to think a slower roll it better than a fast one.
Still, by far, comcast brought out the 'better' moto guide before others.. comcast has a much better VOD offering than others.. for the longest time, comcast was pushing the faster cable modem speeds and then others followed... that was just 2 years ago.. but according to people here, "they're slow".. People also don't see the massive network infrastructure that comcast is building in the background that players like Time Warner, Cox, Charter and others don't have.
If ANYONE here actually saw what was inside 'Comcast Media Center', it would make them drop a load in their rear. The fact is that Comcast is also spending a lot of time building the vehicle that will make much of what's coming down the road better and more dynamic than ever what Verizon's Fios can deliver..
There are various ways, but before you design and build a very expensive system, you need to study what you have and make the best choice.
In my opinion, moca is the best way to go for the masses.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to PolarBear
Aaron, you DO realize that each room still gets a cable line for it's own box/live feed, right?... the MRDVR function is ONLY the recorded TV playback and the ability for other sets to 'set a recording'... and that's it..
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to Fubar
The way you use TV in your other rooms does NOT change. All this does is allows up to 3 existing DCT boxes to tap into the recorded TV option on the DVR.. THAT'S IT!
People are making this into more than what it is..
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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| reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy :Aaron, you DO realize that each room still gets a cable line for it's own box/live feed, right? To do it they way that big cable thinks it should be done, yes. To do it how I think it should be done, a physical line of some sort (coax, ethernet, etc.), but no box on each TV. Like I said before, Dish Network has been doing this for years, using one box to supply two TVs with live AND recorded content.
IMHO, well, read this. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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| Yea.. I know that Dish has done it that way... however, those boxes are simply dual tuners and a pain in the butt when trying to do it for more than just two televisions.
First, you'd have to have a box capable of MANY MANY tuners. On a home of 4 rooms alone, you'd need at LEAST a 6 tuner box.. 2 for the DVR and then one for each television. Then, you'd have to have one heck of a system that splits the return frequency back to the dmark where it's pull off the originating line and then fed to the other rooms who then need to all be set to different channels. Truly, NOT a good way to do it. You also have to remember that the path for the control back to the box is an RF remote.. many a times I would have rather chucked the remote through the window when I'd have a hard time getting it to control the box in the other room via radio frequency. At times, I'd be getting up out of bed, walking closer to the door, or simply leaving it open, JUST to get the remote to talk to the box. Not always the greatest in my opinion.
The setup DISH has been using is ok for two tv's, but it's not going to serve the masses efficiently.
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codee
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join:2001-10-01
Minneapolis, MN
| A couple things...
I don't think people are fully understanding how this would work either. you still have STBs wherever you want, and there would just be a "My DVR" type menu on every STB that would connect back to the DVR(S). Having the system work over coax by default is by far the most common sense way to implement this....anybody that has cable by a TV they use already, will have a coax jack there anyways. This system feeds from box to box through splitters, dcs, etc all the way to a block of some form at the point where the drop hits the groundblock. Trying to use ethernet or some varient of ethernet over power, wireless, etc would be much more time consuming and/or costly. not many houses had ethernet jacks in everyroom along with a switch, wireless would be sketchy still, and using ethernet over power would require additional and unnecesary hardware to be purchased.
As far as the Comcast Media Center goes, it is simply a jaw-dropping facility. The provide content and services for many MSOs, NOT just comcast.
I would recommend checking out »www.comcastmediacenter.com
Comcast Media Center (CMC), headquartered in the South Metro area of Denver, is a business unit of Comcast Cable. Under one very big roof, this 350,000 square foot facility provides a total content management solution through its "one source - multiple delivery platforms" capabilities. Its Content Delivery Network offers global transmission via satellite and terrestrial fiber optics, VOD and streaming distribution capabilities. CMC's Content Management Network offers broadcast quality studio, mobile and post production services, origination services for linear TV networks and live events, HDTV production and origination and quality control and media management services, including encoding and storage. Its Affiliate Services Network includes the HITS (Headend in the Sky) digital platform, founded in 1994, and delivers 150 digital services to more than 2,000 cable system headends.
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This is the HITS, or "Headend in the Sky" system
»www.hits.com
To distribute your video content quickly and in excellent quality, we use a mixture of fiber optic and video circuit connections to transmit and receive information around the earth. Positioned throughout North America, Europe and Asia—and operating worldwide—Comcast Media Center is well connected over both land and sky. We offer terrestrial connectivity for both full-time and occasional transmissions.
Denver
"The Denver Switch"
INVESCO Field at Mile High Stadium
The Pepsi Arena
The University of Denver Magness Arena
Digital Media Network
Digital Video Services
International Video
Vyvx Services & Triumph Communications
Connectivity between CMC facilities
Los Angeles
Verizon
Pac Bell Hub
New York
Digital Video Services
NYC HUB
"The Switch" a longtime favorite of U.S. and foreign television networks
Waterfront
International connectivity to Sydney, Australia and Athens, Greece
I have a fiber topology map somewhere also, showing all the fiber comcast actually owns, I'll post back if I can find it....its very impressive.
I don't think anybody can look at those systems, and even jokingly say that comcast is behind the times if they actually understand what it is they are doing, and how it's achieved. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to cypherstream
said by cypherstream :Sure you could network recorded DVR content that way, but the client cable box in the bedroom or whatever would also need to be connected to the coax to pull one of the oob data addressing channels (our area uses 104.2 MHz). Without this connection the set top box will not download the guide or turn on features such as DVR or MRDVR. What your looking for is something more like Slingbox. Comcast is trying to implement this using existing cable boxes with little to no modification (therefore costs less). Plus I'm sure they don't mind sending a tech out to relocate an outlet, they do charge $$ for it after all. If it uses ethernet over any medium it don't need to tune. It's basically iptv  which can carry over anything that can carry an electrical charge really.
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