Re: [game] Animal Farm in Pub Games

Re: [game] Animal Farm in Pub Games http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19453524 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:01:03 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:01:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537367 Johnny :

said by chlen

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I though that if you were mafia it may give yock a chance to kill at night.

I know. I didn't believe your bullshit about it would "let me figure out if Yock was lying." :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537367 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:30:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537358 chlen : I though that if you were mafia it may give yock a chance to kill at night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537358 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:28:18 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537314 Johnny :

said by yock

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That's how I interpreted it as well. Perhaps there wasn't anything wrong with the execution of the role at all then, I just fell victim to unfulfilled expectations.

See, I expected, once I thought I had the thing half-figured out, that whomever you targeted would die, and then I'd be outed because Chlen revealed in the thread that it was my role that he sent to you.

But once nothing happened, and you said you got a blank IM, then I figured that Muz had decided that since I showed up Innocent to Cops, I should also show up as "no role" if the Baker sent my role to someone.

I could have ridden that all the way home to a win - it was "proof" I was Town, especially with an Innocent Cop result...

Damn #(#)*@@ Serial Killers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537314 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:19:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537290 yock : That's how I interpreted it as well. Perhaps there wasn't anything wrong with the execution of the role at all then, I just fell victim to unfulfilled expectations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537290 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:12:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537215 muzscman :

said by Johnny

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Nobody understood it, not even Chlen. We certainly didn't.

Chlen chooses Johnny, chooses Yock to send it to, and Yock does not see that it is Johnny's role (i.e. he sees the role but not that it belongs to Johnny)? That's how I think it worked... because Chlen decided to reveal that it was Johnny's role that he sent to Yock.

So - my conclusion is that if Chlen had chosen Dan, then Yock would have been told that he had a night poison, but not that it was Dan's. Then Chlen could reveal in the thread that it was Dan's role that was sent to Yock, Yock could reveal that it was Player X that he targeted, and when Player X dies of poisoning, Dan would be outed as Scum.

Right?

yse]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537215 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:59:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537196 Johnny : Nobody understood it, not even Chlen. We certainly didn't.

Chlen chooses Johnny, chooses Yock to send it to, and Yock does not see that it is Johnny's role (i.e. he sees the role but not that it belongs to Johnny)? That's how I think it worked... because Chlen decided to reveal that it was Johnny's role that he sent to Yock.

So - my conclusion is that if Chlen had chosen Dan, then Yock would have been told that he had a night poison, but not that it was Dan's. Then Chlen could reveal in the thread that it was Dan's role that was sent to Yock, Yock could reveal that it was Player X that he targeted, and when Player X dies of poisoning, Dan would be outed as Scum.

Right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537196 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:54:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537046 muzscman :

said by yock

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I'm just frustrated because I was lynched primarily because of how that went down. Chlen had such high hopes for how that would play out. When nothing really happened I think a lot of folks assumed I was scum. Perhaps Chlen's input would be valuable before you decide to change anything.

well chlen what say you.....i'm totally open to re-vamping this role because i actually really like it. it's a fun role and could be pretty cool.

do you think that yock should have gotten a night kill??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19537046 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:27:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19536303 yock : I'm just frustrated because I was lynched primarily because of how that went down. Chlen had such high hopes for how that would play out. When nothing really happened I think a lot of folks assumed I was scum. Perhaps Chlen's input would be valuable before you decide to change anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19536303 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:44:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19534886 muzscman :

said by yock

said by muzscman

said by Johnny

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Is he told whose role it is?

Is he told what the ability is?

the person receiving the bread is not told what the others role is. but he is told what their ability is.

your ability was to appear innocent.

As it stands, the IM said nothing happened.

yes....u should have appeared innocent anyways....it was a new role for me...so i have to work through the kinks still...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19534886 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:30:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19534375 yock :

said by muzscman

said by Johnny

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Is he told whose role it is?

Is he told what the ability is?

the person receiving the bread is not told what the others role is. but he is told what their ability is.

your ability was to appear innocent.

As it stands, the IM said nothing happened. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19534375 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:56:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19533124 muzscman :

said by Scotty4168

said by muzscman

said by Johnny

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Is he told whose role it is?

no. Lets do a scenario:

Chlen told me to bake the bread of older dog (cop for my scenario) and then he told me to give the bread to yock (politician).

Yock would receive an IM come night fall that says, "You at some bread and have been granted the ability to investigate someone this night."

He would be able to do his normal politician role and one investigation for that night...

make sense?

How would it had worked if he had picked either mine or Jim's role?

I don't know....he would have been able to choose an action...but there was no other half...so it wouldn't have worked...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19533124 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:02:51 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19533101 Scotty4168 :

said by muzscman

said by Johnny

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Is he told whose role it is?

How would it had worked if he had picked either mine or Jim's role?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19533101 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:59:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19533073 muzscman :

said by Johnny

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Is he told whose role it is?

said by BigReds42

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I would like to know that all those people who were like "I need to go back and reread everything" also missed the whole the role was actually revealed as well.

I must admit... I really don't read well... that is why I am a math teacher... =-)

I see things as a whole and how they relate to each other, but individual words have little meaning to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532568 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:44:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532553 Johnny : Is he told whose role it is?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532553 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:42:04 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532504 muzscman :

said by Johnny

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Is he told whose role it is?

Is he told what the ability is?

the person receiving the bread is not told what the others role is. but he is told what their ability is.

your ability was to appear innocent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532504 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:35:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532472 Johnny : Is he told whose role it is?

Is he told what the ability is?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532472 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:32:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532403 BigReds42 : I would like to know that all those people who were like "I need to go back and reread everything" also missed the whole the role was actually revealed as well.

I must admit... I really don't read well... that is why I am a math teacher... =-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532403 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:20:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532401 Robert :

said by Akasha

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So why didn't you pick "no"? LMAO :D

I could not pick simple words.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532401 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:20:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532319 older dog : You got to admit the results were priceless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532319 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:04:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532309 Akasha : So why didn't you pick "no"? LMAO :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532309 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:03:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532287 Robert : To Gomez:

My words (in reverse order)

killer (killed Johnny)

push (no one)

and

farm (AT died)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532287 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:00:37 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532283 older dog : I must be getting old, butter cookies sound the best to me right now, with a little drizzled sugar icing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532283 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:59:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532253 TheRul : I am only 3 hours from there, but I do not go all the time. gets too expensive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532253 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:54:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532191 kewlkarim : yea...there is no casinos here
the closest 1 is 7 hour drive.

i was in vegas last month.
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It's ok to lie.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532191 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:58 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532189 TheRul :

said by Akasha

:

beer

Someone has to sow the crops, and everyone knows sowwing is womans work. ;) I can be soo punny.
Kewl: I only play in Casinos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532189 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:44:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532164 kewlkarim : that's what the woman is for :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532164 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:41:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532152 Akasha : beer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532152 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:40:13 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532145 kewlkarim : poker and women, what else would a guy need ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532145 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:39:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532138 Akasha : Kewlie honey, I think you're drooling now babes. :o ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532138 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:38:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532134 kewlkarim :

said by TheRul

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I make a lot of money at poker.

oh really ?
play online ?
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It's ok to lie.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532134 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:37:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532130 TheRul : on the other hand, I make a lot of money at poker, too bad I am a craps player.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532130 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:37:10 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532122 Akasha : Sorry about your luck. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532122 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:35:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532117 TheRul :

said by Akasha

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Sorry TheRul... you snooze, you lose!

Yeah, my wife tells me that all the time too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532117 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:35:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532109 Akasha : Sorry TheRul... you snooze, you lose!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532109 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:34:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532107 TheRul : slow is better, is what I am told. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532107 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:33:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532097 kewlkarim :

said by kewlkarim

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you lost.

AGAIN.
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It's ok to lie.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532097 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:32:42 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532094 kewlkarim : you were too slow.
plus she already IMed me about it...you lost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532094 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:32:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532090 TheRul : Hey, she was offing it to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532090 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:31:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532081 kewlkarim :

said by Akasha

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Wanna cookie?

no, but can i have pie ?
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It's ok to lie.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532081 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:30:51 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532074 Akasha : Wanna cookie?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532074 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:30:16 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532070 TheRul : woohoo, I was right.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532070 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:29:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532025 muzscman : The way the bread works is you get that persons ability for one night. Johnny's ability as GF in my eyes was that he came up innocent not guilty.

Had he gotten Doctor Dan's role in bread form he would have been able to poison someone.

Had he gotten the cops role in bread form he would have been able to investigate someone.
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Come play mafia: »Pub Games :it's fun for the whole internet!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19532025 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:22:15 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531828 Johnny : Yes, he was bugging us for no apparent reason so we whacked him. In retrospect we probably should have whacked Jim or Robert. Jim kept doggedly voting Dan and we should have gotten rid of him.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531828 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:56:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531793 TheRul :

said by yock

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Johnny, did you in fact submit TheRul as your night kill?

Yeah, cause I was a Pain in the Ass.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531793 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:49:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531790 TheRul : Johnny was killing me anyway. So we don't know that happened. The power that was transfered could have been the 'appear innocent' and in which case, nothing special would have been transfered to You.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531790 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:48:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531788 yock : Johnny, did you in fact submit TheRul as your night kill?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531788 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:48:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531777 yock :

said by Akasha

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From what I am taking on this... yock picked TheRul as well. So it was carried out. Just not known to yock.

See, now that would piss me off. If my night choice was in fact what resulted in TheRul's death, I should have been told that I had that effect. Instead I was told nothing happened.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531777 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:46:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531776 Akasha : Yock thought he was picking for his own role:
Napoleon - Politician - Yock
You are Napoleon. Starting on Night one you can choise one person and buy their vote. After you have their vote you may cast it secretly by sending me an IM the next day. You may change that persons vote at any time during the day by IM'ing me.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

EDIT: I am assuming here... not speaking for yock. My voice isn't that deep. lol
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531776 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:46:11 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531768 Akasha : From the day 1 you can see chlen picking you and yock.
Night 1 you pick TheRul and so does Yock.
Yock picked him for his own role though, not knowing he was chosing a kill.

That's my take on it anyway.
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Where it's okay to lie...

Muz's spreadsheet

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531768 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:45:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531761 TheRul : that would be really fucked up,
Here is a power, try to figure out what it is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531761 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:44:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531744 Johnny :

said by Akasha

:

From what I am taking on this... yock picked TheRul as well. So it was carried out. Just not known to yock.

Really? That was the most amazing thing ever if so. Of course Yock says he didn't choose anyone because he didn't understand if there was something he was supposed to do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531744 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:42:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531736 Akasha : From what I am taking on this... yock picked TheRul as well. So it was carried out. Just not known to yock.
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531736 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:40:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531724 Johnny : Yes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531724 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:38:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531723 Johnny : OK we need Muz to explain. I don't understand it, Chlen didn't understand it, and you don't understand it. We were the 3 that were involved. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531723 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:38:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531692 Akasha : Johnny, did you guys pick to kill TheRul

?

EDIT: I'm too lazy to go find the site with the mafia forums on it. lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531692 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:32:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531686 yock : Nope, the PM said I ate some bread and it gave me no special ability. I had a little "WTF?" moment and moved on with my life.

I mean, the situation was so ambiguous. I had no expect that such a random IM had anything to do with Chlen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531686 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:31:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531670 Johnny : Yeah, but even if you didn't know what it was, did you send in a name for it to be applied to?

See, I have been wondering if you were given my kill and just by sheer coincidence killed the same person that I had sent in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531670 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:29:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531613 yock : I was never to be "told" of your ability, I was to be given it. Chlen either originally misunderstood what was to happen or he misspoke. Now, as to why that didn't grant me the ability to perform a night kill, that is anyone's guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531613 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:19:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531559 Akasha :

said by Johnny

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Muz, can you tell us exactly how the Bread worked?

Why didn't Yock receive "Can kill at night" as my "power" transferred to him by Chlen?

Good question. :D
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531559 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:10:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531523 Johnny : Muz, can you tell us exactly how the Bread worked?

Why didn't Yock receive "Can kill at night" as my "power" transferred to him by Chlen?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531523 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:06:04 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531465 muzscman :

said by Akasha

:

Thank you very kindly, sir.

you are very welcome....

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531465 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:58:21 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531422 Akasha : Thank you very kindly, sir. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531422 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:51:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531366 muzscman : »spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=···1KGe2ZPg]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531366 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:42:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531198 Akasha : So... the psychic and telepath, did they do anything during the game? Can you tell us their picks?
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531198 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:13:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531191 Gomez : Out of curiosity, what were the kill words?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531191 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:12:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531163 Akasha : Yep! :D

Although I give him credit, he did it in almost every single post. He was cracking me up! :)
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531163 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:09:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531159 muzscman : lol rook would have been dead for sure....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531159 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:08:10 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531145 Akasha : too bad he didn't pick "no"....no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531145 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:06:40 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531136 muzscman :

said by TheRul

:

I have to say that I liked Snowball, the word bomber. I don't know if you used it before, but it is a completely killer way to have an insane sk with no control over it.

It's a first as far as I know. You could do variants of it also like post count bomber. The 15th person to post after the day breaks gets killed....things like that.

It was fun because the SK does not have to be online to make a kill. He gave me a word and from the time that word came in until the end of that day the first person to say it would die.

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531136 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:05:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531101 Akasha : I thought the concept of it was cool. Yea, kinda sucks you didn't get to put it to use though.
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531101 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:59:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531095 yock : I never got to use it. Night 1 I chose TheRul

and when we woke up he was dead. Then I come home from being out all evening to find myself dead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531095 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:58:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531092 TheRul : I have to say that I liked Snowball, the word bomber. I don't know if you used it before, but it is a completely killer way to have an insane sk with no control over it.
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In my day, you couldn't pause live TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531092 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:57:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531076 Akasha : Since you said "please", okay...

I liked this role:
Napoleon - Politician - Yock
You are Napoleon. Starting on Night one you can choise one person and buy their vote. After you have their vote you may cast it secretly by sending me an IM the next day. You may change that persons vote at any time during the day by IM'ing me.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Interesting concept with these two:
Boxer - Psychic - Scotty4168
You are two halves of one whole. Each night you pick one person. The other half of you chooses a generic action (protect, kill, detect). The action that the other half of you chooses is carried out on the person you choose. Both of you will be made aware of what happened before day breaks. If one half of you dies, the other half is nullified.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Clover - Telepath - Jim
You are two halves of one whole. Each night you will pick one action (protect, kill, detect). The other half of you chooses one person. The action that you choose is carried out on the person your other half picked. Both of you will be made aware of what happened before day breaks. If one half of you dies, the other half is nullified.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

All in all Muz, I thought you did a great job with the roles.
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531076 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:54:58 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531048 muzscman :

said by Akasha

:

Damn straight! LOL

yes, i had thoughts. would you like me to share them with the class?

Please do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531048 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:51:33 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531034 Akasha : Damn straight! LOL

yes, i had thoughts. would you like me to share them with the class?
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531034 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:48:58 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531020 yock :

said by Gomez

:

Vote Yock

Voted out by my own soothsayer. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531020 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:47:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531012 muzscman :

said by Akasha

:

LMAO!
Hey, anything I can do or say to help with bursting that bubble, I will. :D

yes she is very good at bursting bubbles..

on a serious note, any thoughts on any of my roles??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19531012 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:46:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530992 Akasha : LMAO!
Hey, anything I can do or say to help with bursting that bubble, I will. :D
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said by Akasha

said by TheRul

To Johnny, EVERYONE is a pain in the ass!! :D

Damn, just when I was feeling special]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530985 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:41:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530973 Akasha :

said by TheRul

:

Johnny, you targeted me because I was a "Pain in the Ass?"
I will have to change the way I play.

To Johnny, EVERYONE is a pain in the ass!! :D
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Where it's okay to lie...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530973 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:39:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530964 TheRul : Johnny, you targeted me because I was a "Pain in the Ass?"
I will have to change the way I play.
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In my day, you couldn't pause live TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530964 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:38:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530070 Count Zero : You were on the chopping block until Robert said he was snowball. I was fairly sure of you about a day before we lynched, but.... well I wasn't entirely trusting my intuition after having been pwned by the godfather. :) Well played Rook.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19530070 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:33:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529639 Rook008 : It's sometimes like that at the end of a game. At the end, when no one really has anything solid, it's basically "I'll vote for whoever you vote for, as long as it's not me."
And then re-reading a 1800 post thread is not likely.
People tend to look for allies rather than clues. :(
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I believe you know me well, I react like you're ringing a bell. Are you sorry that you treat me unkind? Never you mind.
Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529639 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:59:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529628 older dog : I am not sure if anybody noticed but I did try a little push toward Rook earlier.
Trying to play the doc and not look like you are hiding a power role at the same time is tough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529628 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:55:37 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529615 navyet2sw : I am as well a little bit. i don't think anyone could really find a real reason to hang you, just alot of theory and conjecture.

OD yea no shit, suprised she didn't zap my sack with it.
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Unfortunatly, Common Sense Isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529615 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:51:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529594 Rook008 : To be honest, I'm surprised it took so long to lynch me. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529594 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:47:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529593 older dog : You are lucky she did not use it on you in bed. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529593 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:47:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529573 navyet2sw : I can understand the ouch part. I zapped one of my girlfriends in HS with a cattle prob in the ass, left 2 quarter sized bruises where it hit, and her whole ass where her ass cheeks touched was bruised. imagine getting one point on each cheek. didn't get laid for a week after that shit.

OBTW Rook you were my kill if i got lynched, not reds, i wanted to see if anyone would gang up on him, and if someone led the charge for it.

I didn't eat spaghetti either, had chic-fila mmmmm mmmmm
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Unfortunatly, Common Sense Isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529573 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:42:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529510 Rook008 : All I can say is...ouch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529510 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:30:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529502 older dog : I was changing the batteries for the farmer. 5 or more D cells, had it rested on my fore arm, never left a mark but I would have confessed to anything to prevent that happening again.

It was what was running through my head when I made that tazer remark in the game to help reds to make up his mind.

It was supposed to be a joke but in hind sight I guess you would have to been zapped yourself for it to make sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529502 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:27:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529465 Rook008 : People being civil, and people who think that they have a right to do whatever they please, regardless of how it affects others. It's just ridiculously selfish, and it seems to be more the norm nowadays.

A cattle prod...? I don't even want to ask...lol.
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I believe you know me well, I react like you're ringing a bell. Are you sorry that you treat me unkind? Never you mind.
Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529465 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:20:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529448 older dog : I also have a hard time with people who can’t act civil, time and place for everything and that was not it.
I have managed to zap myself with a cattle prod of a farmer I know talk about an attention getter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529448 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:16:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529430 Rook008 : I hope not, I think he deserved it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529430 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:12:21 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529417 older dog : He said good case no problem, we get rich easy, well him richer.

I wonder if the don't taze me bro, gets anything?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529417 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:10:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529404 Rook008 : Oh...lol, good one.

Don't sue me, bro!

Edit: I just realised how little I read stuff in the Pub since "Pub Games" was created.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529404 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:07:42 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529392 older dog : World vision]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529392 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:06:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529390 Rook008 : lol...huh? West Virginia?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529390 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:05:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529386 older dog : Well I do think it has scared me for the rest of my life, let me go find WV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529386 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:03:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529371 Rook008 : No. Not a good idea.
Sorry about killing you, by the way. But you were the Doc. I really had no choice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529371 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:01:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529356 older dog : Being animals we should mark on the dead humans.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529356 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:57:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529325 Gomez : Comrades, it was a good battle, and the the sweet smell of victory is ours..

But It's late, so the the Jones house I go. Don't worry about the beds, as there are no sheets..

Long live Manor farm, ummm, err I mean , Long live Animal Farm!
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529325 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:49:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529191 chlen : I did have difficulty understanding the role at first muz wrote it high on glue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529191 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:23:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529189 chlen :

said by Johnny

:

Can someone explain the bread thing to me? I STILL don't understand it.

- What did Yock see?

- If Yock got my role, why did it not say "able to kill at night?" He said that there was nothing there. And he announced it, saying I had no powers. I would have ridden that to the end except for the (@)(*##)#_ serial killer.

I got no clue, I did not get to use it long enough. I take some ones role and I give it to someone else (to be specific their special ability). I asked Muz what happens if I get Human, he did not reply. I only need Yock to say someting like bread to got it. The I was going to pester him and see if he slips. I was going to pass the roles a-b b-c c-d etc... was planning on usig alegiance with you to get roles but you killed me :) .
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»www.ronpaul2008.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529189 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:22:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529134 Rook008 : Good game Muz, as usual.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529134 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:12:12 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529068 Count Zero :

said by Count Zero

:

I agree. Clearing gomez was important because it put the final pieces in play to make me realize rook was THE human. I think I am too compassionate for this game. I actually felt bad for voting for people.

Of course a lit of people figured this out first. Thanks for the guidance Gomez. After investigating you I went back and heavily based my reasoning on your thought process. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529068 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:59:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529055 Gomez :

said by Johnny

said by Robert

:

Hey Johnny,

Just wanted to point out that it is sad to see your derogatory comments continue in the mafia forum.

I am sorry, but you are not as good as you think you are, and all the "stupid animals" aren't as dumb as you think they are.

I enjoyed the game, but Johnny's comments in the mafia forum added a sour note to it.

Anyway, I don't think SK have any benefit to a game, and I won't play any games that might have one. Especially some random one - why work hard to establish a game strategy and then get randomly killed? It discourages people from wanting to play, or if they do play they don't play hard because all the work might be for nothing.

Be that as it may, the only thing I think was mis-handled was not announcing my death until Twilight. That is wrong. If a player is killed in Day, the death MUST be announced in Day so that others can vote and not assume it is twilight.

Not having the SK makes it a very two dimension game. It's like playing a FPS without worrying about a snipper. I'll take the extra dimension as long as the game is balanced.

On the second note, there are no expectations for anyone to be on 24x7. All that matters is the chronological order of events. So if there is a twilight vote, but an event that supersedes that when the mod get back from TRW, the order of events is what matters.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529055 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:57:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529042 navyet2sw : Reds, cause i wanted to see if they would go for lynching me, he was my shot i would have taken, but no one wanted to run you through, and i ended up falling asleep and missed the end of the game.
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Unfortunatly, Common Sense Isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529042 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:55:10 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529024 Johnny : Can someone explain the bread thing to me? I STILL don't understand it.

- What did Yock see?

- If Yock got my role, why did it not say "able to kill at night?" He said that there was nothing there. And he announced it, saying I had no powers. I would have ridden that to the end except for the (@)(*##)#_ serial killer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529024 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:52:13 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529000 Count Zero : I agree. Clearing gomez was important because it put the final pieces in play to make me realize rook was THE human. I think I am too compassionate for this game. I actually felt bad for voting for people. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529000 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:48:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528993 Johnny :

said by Robert

That's nothing. You should have seen the ones I deleted.
Mafia forum talk always is trash-talk about the town. It's cheerleading, as Gomez says.

My biggest mistake was assuming that the independent was a Town Vigilante. Then I assumed that it was a normal SK who was just too stupid to kill the Cop. Another big mistake. The death on day 1 should have tipped us off that it could not be a normal SK.

Anyway, I don't think SK have any benefit to a game, and I won't play any games that might have one. Especially some random one - why work hard to establish a game strategy and then get randomly killed? It discourages people from wanting to play, or if they do play they don't play hard because all the work might be for nothing.

Be that as it may, the only thing I think was mis-handled was not announcing my death until Twilight. That is wrong. If a player is killed in Day, the death MUST be announced in Day so that others can vote and not assume it is twilight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528993 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:46:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528960 older dog : I think this game may be longer than the book.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528960 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:41:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528959 chlen :

said by older dog

:

I considered playing a gamble and protecting you the third night, I ultimately chose to play it safe.

which is good because ultimatly the clearing of gomez was major for a win.
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»www.ronpaul2008.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528959 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:41:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528950 chlen : fucking thing is page 19 on 100 posts/page]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528950 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:40:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528948 older dog : I considered playing a gamble and protecting you the third night, I ultimately chose to play it safe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528948 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:40:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528946 chlen : you can keep posting till we hit 2000, talk to yourself online man.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528946 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:39:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528941 muzscman : the only thing im sad about is i wanted us to hit 2k posts....but we got darn close...

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528941 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:38:42 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528931 chlen :

said by older dog

:

1 Yock
2nd night Chlen
From then on MD 2 be

Was who I protected, you got it till the cop came out

oh, you did the right thing...Im not saying anything about that, I wish I could have switch a few more pair though.
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»www.ronpaul2008.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528931 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:37:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528926 chlen :

said by chlen

said by older dog

:

You did just not the right night.

I mean I know you had to protect MD, but I needed some cover to work in the open. I had Johnny but I feared that was not enough.
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"He who is not afraid today to say 'no' to the repressive machinery of a criminal bureaucracy earns the right to be called a Human Being."
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»www.ronpaul2008.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528926 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:36:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528925 BigReds42 :

said by Johnny

said by BigReds42

:

[
After a while I just quit reading the death scenes... just looked at who died.

Sue me... after hat day that was going NOWHERE.... I was just alittle ticked.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528925 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:36:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528923 older dog : 1 Yock
2nd night Chlen
From then on MD 2 be

Was who I protected, you got it till the cop came out]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528923 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:36:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528920 Gomez :

said by Robert

I don't let private cheerleader talk bother me, it's good for the home team..

And I'll give credit were due.. As much as I hate to admit it, Johnny had me played.. But his death as a mob and the stuff he left behind was useful..

But I had Rook pegged three days ago, just by knowing his style of play, I had the balance of not playing to hard and costing the town an extra day vs. getting innocent and making the push..

Fun game all around.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528920 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:35:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528914 chlen :

said by older dog

:

You did just not the right night.

even in their mafia thread they quote that I asked for protection, cop was not out, I needed the protection so I could say in game who I am giving whose role. I need to be protected until md made his findings.
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"He who is not afraid today to say 'no' to the repressive machinery of a criminal bureaucracy earns the right to be called a Human Being."
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»www.ronpaul2008.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528914 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:34:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528894 Jim : Thanks Muz and thanks to all the players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528894 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:32:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528893 Count Zero : Thanks everyone I really appreciate it. I hope to play again sometime in the future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528893 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:32:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528890 older dog : You did just not the right night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528890 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:31:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528880 chlen : damn, there were some cool things I wanted to do with my role, by migrating it like johnny to yock, yock to rook, rook to reds, etc... and cross reference, but I did not get the doctor protection I asked for.

Cool role, too bad I had to come out so early, but I though we were playing animal farm and people would use their characters, or lie if the were human, that would have been more fun. I tried to play in character, I knew Johnny was guilty because he kept says how not guilty I was, but I needed him in as cover for my investigations.

Great game Muz, I dont think the holiday fucked it all too bad. Thank you.
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"He who is not afraid today to say 'no' to the repressive machinery of a criminal bureaucracy earns the right to be called a Human Being."
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»www.ronpaul2008.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528880 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:28:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528868 Johnny :

said by BigReds42

:

[
After a while I just quit reading the death scenes... just looked at who died.

Which is why I don't play. If you are not going to play, don't sign up. Playing involves actively trying to win, and reading the thread, not giving up or randomly voting just to "get it over with." Ask to be replaced if you do not want to play.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528868 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:27:40 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528850 BigReds42 :

said by Johnny

said by muzscman

:

look at night 3. BigReds42 (from here on known as dumbass) blocked rook and on that morning kill his role was revealed...how in the bloody hell did you miss that reds?? how???????????????????????????????????????????????

Everybody else missed it too - except me of course. Reds even posted that he blocked Rook the night that the body wasn't cleaned up!!!! Janitor = Rook?? Duhhhhhhhh....

Yeah everyone else did you fucker lol.

After a while I just quit reading the death scenes... just looked at who died.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528850 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:24:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528837 Robert : Hey Johnny,

Just wanted to point out that it is sad to see your derogatory comments continue in the mafia forum.

I am sorry, but you are not as good as you think you are, and all the "stupid animals" aren't as dumb as you think they are.

I enjoyed the game, but Johnny's comments in the mafia forum added a sour note to it.
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It's one thing to listen to an idiot talk. As soon as you respond, there are now 2 idiots having a conversation.
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The test of the morality of a society is what it does for it's children]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528837 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:23:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528827 Johnny :

said by Gomez

said by older dog

:

You are a great player.

Agreed, for a new player, he did a great job of making pressure points and driving conversation.

And he did it all by himself!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528827 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:21:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528826 Johnny :

said by muzscman

Everybody else missed it too - except me of course. Reds even posted that he blocked Rook the night that the body wasn't cleaned up!!!! Janitor = Rook?? Duhhhhhhhh....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528826 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:21:21 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528821 Gomez :

said by older dog

:

You are a great player.

Agreed, for a new player, he did a great job of making pressure points and driving conversation.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528821 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:20:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528813 muzscman : look at night 3. BigReds42 (from here on known as dumbass) blocked rook and on that morning kill his role was revealed...how in the bloody hell did you miss that reds?? how???????????????????????????????????????????????]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528813 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:19:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528807 older dog : You are a great player.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528807 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:17:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528804 Scotty4168 : I put in Rook as my night action night 2 right before I died. Assuming Jim would either choose investigate or kill, that would have been a nice result to have early in the game for the town.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528804 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:17:16 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528800 Count Zero : I had cleared you early on. It was only later I started to second guess myself. I am glad I logically thought through things and saw that Rook was hiding --- he is good man!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528800 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:16:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528791 Count Zero : Thanks again for inviting me to play Johnny. Talk to you soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528791 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:14:54 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528790 BigReds42 : BTW... I TOLD you guys I was the roleblocker... I don't lie well =-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528790 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:14:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528785 Count Zero : I LOVED this game. Great setup, great players. I am humbled to have been in the presence of such greatness. My honor to have played with Gomez, Johnny, Rook, OD, Reds, Robert, Navy, Muz, Dr. Dan, et al. Honestly I look forwards to seeing all of you in the future. My hat is off to all of you!
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“I don’t want you to think of this as just a film; some process of converting electrons and magnetic impulses into shapes and figures and sounds. No, listen to me; we’re here to make a dent in the universe. Otherwise why even be here.
-Steve Jobs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528785 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:13:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528773 muzscman :

said by older dog

:

This has got to be one of the few games where both the doc and cop lasted this long.

agreed...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528773 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:12:19 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528764 older dog : This has got to be one of the few games where both the doc and cop lasted this long.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528764 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:10:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528754 older dog : I am :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528754 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:09:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528742 TheRul : Good Game.
Oink.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528742 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:08:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528741 Johnny :

said by older dog

:

But because you used a generic animal it made my claim all the more difficult to believe.

The suspicion being raised was a human posing as an animal would make up a generic name, the rest of the farm all had a specific name to give.

That's all in hindsight.

Rook was going to be a dog too - until you claimed it. Just be glad he didn't get around to it - then you really would have been suspicious.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528741 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:08:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528733 older dog : I just had to find something to bitch about. :D

Great game I really had a good time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528733 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:07:16 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528728 older dog : It not like a dog would instill trust in this game.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528728 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:06:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528721 older dog : But because you used a generic animal it made my claim all the more difficult to believe.

The suspicion being raised was a human posing as an animal would make up a generic name, the rest of the farm all had a specific name to give.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528721 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:05:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528702 Johnny :

said by older dog

:

I guess I should have anticipated a name claim was coming and made something up (we all know how well that works) but how did I end up being the only one, run out?

What's the problem? None of the dogs had names. Neither did the chickens, pigeons, etc. Neither did the sheep, which is why I chose to be a sheep. Which everyone thought was perfectly reasonable until hindsight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528702 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:01:12 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528701 Robert : Or was it number 4 and tails ;)

Thanks Muz, I enjoyed my role.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528701 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:01:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528697 Robert : I think the word was kill]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528697 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:00:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528693 Johnny : What was the word that I said to get whacked? :)

Did I ever mention that I dislike independent killers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528693 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:59:37 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528687 muzscman :

said by older dog

:

I guess I should have anticipated a name claim was coming and made something up (we all know how well that works) but how did I end up being the only one, run out?

the dogs in the book dont have a name as far as i can tell...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528687 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:59:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528678 older dog : I guess I should have anticipated a name claim was coming and made something up (we all know how well that works) but how did I end up being the only one, run out?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528678 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:57:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528644 BigReds42 : Good job ALMOST fooling me Rook =-)

Good game muz... good roles... nice to have different stuff...

I STILL wanna know... Navy... we had it won with my plan... why did you vote me? We KNEW it was down to you or Rook... based off my clearing of Jim. Why? Why? Why? =-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528644 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:53:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528624 Gomez : Nice game muz... Had me wondering about things until the end.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528624 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:49:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528608 Gomez : WOOT!

Go farm go!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528608 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:46:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528602 muzscman : Mafia Forum:

»dslrmafia.proboards78.com/index.···olegsbad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528602 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:46:11 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528587 muzscman : This day was the shortest that the animals could remember in a long time past. The vote was in and Rook008 was to be lynched that night.

Squealer stood in front of his comrades and spoke. "Comrades, pigs, horses and sheep, cats, dogs, brothers and sisters. Let us use the gun in honor of our fallen comrade Napoleon, to kill what must surely be the last human. Napoleon was a good pig and died trying to protect this farm. Let us honor him today and forever remember this day as Napoleons day!!!!!!!!"

The remaining farm members all agreed. Rook was taken to a post and a blind fold put around his eyes.

"Any last words?"

"Down with Animal Farm!! Long live the humans!!!"

Boom.

One shot was all it took. The remaining animals walked up to Rook and upon kicking over his body, saw that he was in fact a human.....the last human there was.

"Comrades, pigs, horses and sheep, cats, dogs, brothers and sisters.....we are free of the human oppressors!!! Long live animal farm!!"

The Farm Wins the Game!

Humans:
Mr. Frederick - Human GF - Johnny
You are Mr. Frederick. You run the neighboring farm and have been looking for a chance to take over animal farm. You are well organized and have organized three others to join in your party. One of your party is snowball, a pig that was kicked out of Animal Farm and is here to help you. You will sneak into animal farm disguised as animals and attempt to take it over from the inside.
You win with the humans.
You may communicate with your fellow humans here: »dslrmafia.proboards78.com/index.···olegsbad
You will have to register on the board. The board is also hidden so you will have to go directly to the link.

Mr. Jones - Human Janitor - Rook008
You are the Human's's Janitor. You are charged with cleaning up the body before day breaks so that no one will know what that animal's role was.
You win with the humans.
You may communicate with your fellow humans here: »dslrmafia.proboards78.com/index.···olegsbad
You will have to register on the board. The board is also hidden so you will have to go directly to the link.

Mr. Pilington - Human Poisoner - Doctor Dan
You are the Human's Poisoner. Starting on night 1 you can poison one person every other night. That animal will not die until the next day causing confusion and panick. The poison has a 85% chance of working on your victim.
You win with the humans.
You may communicate with your fellow humans here: »dslrmafia.proboards78.com/index.···olegsbad
You will have to register on the board. The board is also hidden so you will have to go directly to the link.

Animals:
Snowball - Word Bomber - Robert
You are the word bomber. Every other day starting on day 1 you choose a word that isn't a name or mafia-related term. The first person that day to say that word dies.
You win when only you are left.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Napoleon - Politician - Yock
You are Napoleon. Starting on Night one you can choise one person and buy their vote. After you have their vote you may cast it secretly by sending me an IM the next day. You may change that persons vote at any time during the day by IM'ing me.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Minimus - Role Blocker - BigReds42
You are the Farms Role Blocker. You may choose one person each night to Block. IM me your choice each night.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Pinkeye - Food Tester - TheRul
You are a pig that has been designated to test the food for poison. Each day you may choose one person. That person is protected from poison for one day and one night.
You win with the farm.
You are not allwed any private communications.

Squealer - The beloved pig - Gomez
You are the beloved pig. You go around sperading the good word for Napoleon and the whole farm is in love with you. If you die the entire next day phase is skipped.
You win with the farm
You are not allowed an private communications.

Boxer - Psychic - Scotty4168
You are two halves of one whole. Each night you pick one person. The other half of you chooses a generic action (protect, kill, detect). The action that the other half of you chooses is carried out on the person you choose. Both of you will be made aware of what happened before day breaks. If one half of you dies, the other half is nullified.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Clover - Telepath - Jim
You are two halves of one whole. Each night you will pick one action (protect, kill, detect). The other half of you chooses one person. The action that you choose is carried out on the person your other half picked. Both of you will be made aware of what happened before day breaks. If one half of you dies, the other half is nullified.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Mollie - Take One - Navyet2sw
You take on the role whoever gets lynched first. If it is a human then you take on that humans role. If it is an animal then you take on that animals role.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Benjamin - Ninja Baker - Chlen
Each day you can bake a bread of someone and give it to someone else to use the baked person's role for one night. You choose one person each day to 'bake'. Then, the you choose someone to give the 'bread' to. That night, the person who received the bread use the baked person's role for one night only.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Moses - Cop - Cow
You are the local investigator of sorts. Seeing as you are a raven and blend in with the night, you fly around the farm looking for anyone that might look like a human.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Muriel - Vengeful Animal - AmeritecTech
You have a one shot kill that you may use immediately after you are lynched.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Dog - Doc - older dog
You are the town protection. Each night you can choose one person to protect. If that person is targeted to be killed, then you will protect them. If they are Targeted more than once, you they will die. You also have the advantage of when someone is attacked, you will see a glimpse of them. I will reveal some information about the human that you saw.
You win with the farm.
You are not allowed any private communications.
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Come play mafia: »Pub Games :it's fun for the whole internet!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528587 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:44:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528494 muzscman : twilight......give me a few cuz i have a baby in my arms....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528494 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:30:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528421 Gomez :
said by muzscman :

said by Gomez :

Ok. muz is on.. we ready to do this?

damnit you stole the 1800th post....

;)

It's the little things in life, eh? no? err noted..

Vote Rook
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528421 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528411 BigReds42 :
said by Gomez :

Ok. muz is on.. we ready to do this?

I am]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528411 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:16:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528395 muzscman :
said by Gomez :

Ok. muz is on.. we ready to do this?

damnit you stole the 1800th post....

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528395 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:13:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528393 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 3 - Jim, MD_2_Be, BigReds42
BigReds42 - 1 - Navyet2sw

4 to lynch.

It is now L1 and this is 1800 posts!!

w00t!

:)
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Come play mafia: »Pub Games :it's fun for the whole internet!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528393 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:13:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528391 Gomez : Ok. muz is on.. we ready to do this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528391 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:13:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528383 BigReds42 : I would rather just move on... sorry rook... I know I said I wanted to hear what ya had to say but one of my 3 games needs to get over with lol.

Vote: Rook008

I STILL wanna know why Navy is voting me....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528383 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:12:19 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528361 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 2 - Jim, MD_2_Be
BigReds42 - 1 - Navyet2sw

4 to lynch.
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Come play mafia: »Pub Games :it's fun for the whole internet!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528361 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:09:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528326 Gomez :
said by Jim :

Rook 2, - Jim, MD
Reds 1, - Navy

Ok thanks..

I'll be happy to hammer this on I see Muz online, but I have to ask where is the L-2 vote?
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528326 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:05:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528088 Jim : Rook 2, - Jim, MD
Reds 1, - Navy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528088 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:36:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528071 BigReds42 : I am major league multitasking so I am not even 70% sure]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528071 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:34:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528068 BigReds42 : I believe Rook is L-2... someone unvoted him a little earlier? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528068 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:34:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528017 Gomez : Does someone have a current vote count? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528017 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:29:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528009 BigReds42 :
said by Jim :

I have another proposal.
On the outside chance that Rook is not human and we do lynch him, how about Reds roleblocks Navy and MD investigates Reds. That way, everyone's suspicions will be covered. Am I thinking about this wrong? Will it reveal anything?

I was wondering how this would work.. but it will...

I would have rather doubled up on Navy for saftey sake... but I am willing to do this now... I wanna see what Rook has to say though.... won't change my mind... just wanna hear what he has to say...

Everybody ok with the plan?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19528009 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:27:19 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527988 navyet2sw : ok, thought when i reread that you had gotten the bread, but see where you didn't.
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Unfortunatly, Common Sense Isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527988 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:25:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527982 Gomez :
said by navyet2sw :

don't know why, but you just keep popping up in my subconcious when i reread the thread, which by the way i am back to page 11 again, round 2.

I do have a question for gomez tho. what did you get out of the bread with johnny's abilities?

I don't follow.. I never got the bread.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527982 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:24:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527978 Count Zero : I am game for this]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527978 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:24:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527972 navyet2sw : don't know why, but you just keep popping up in my subconcious when i reread the thread, which by the way i am back to page 11 again, round 2.

I do have a question for gomez tho. what did you get out of the bread with johnny's abilities?
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Unfortunatly, Common Sense Isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527972 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:23:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527950 BigReds42 : That makes me more suspicious of you than Rook now...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527950 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:20:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527948 BigReds42 :
said by navyet2sw :

I am fine with the sacrificial lamb concept, but be warned, when i am lynched, i am killing bigreds

hey red, who all have you blocked in the game?
.
.
.
I don't have a night role, just a death role.

Why would you threaten me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527948 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:20:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527945 BigReds42 :
said by navyet2sw :

I am fine with the sacrificial lamb concept, but be warned, when i am lynched, i am killing bigreds

hey red, who all have you blocked in the game?
.
.
.
I don't have a night role, just a death role.

Dude... go back and read lol.

I think it as

Dan
Scotty
Rook
Jim

I even went through why I blocked each one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527945 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:19:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527932 Count Zero : that makes sense because if I die at night we KNOW you're the mafia. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527932 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:17:50 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527897 navyet2sw : I am fine with the sacrificial lamb concept, but be warned, when i am lynched, i am killing bigreds

hey red, who all have you blocked in the game?
.
.
.
I don't have a night role, just a death role.
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Unfortunatly, Common Sense Isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527897 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:12:33 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527852 Jim : I have another proposal.
On the outside chance that Rook is not human and we do lynch him, how about Reds roleblocks Navy and MD investigates Reds. That way, everyone's suspicions will be covered. Am I thinking about this wrong? Will it reveal anything?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527852 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:06:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527758 Jim : I guess would be fair to wait until Rook gets back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527758 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:53:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527745 Jim : I see we're still at it. Very good.
With two votes for Rook, one would think that if someone else was the last human, they would have voted for Rook already. So, the last human is either Rook, MD or me. I know it's not MD or me. Tough choice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527745 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:52:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527730 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

said by Count Zero :

I'll investigate if I live through the night!

OK... I really think this is definitely won.

If we lynch Rook (which is where everyone is leaning)... and if by some chance he IS town...

MD investigates navy...
I roleblock navy...

Based on Gomez being clean... and Jim being cleared by my roleblock last night..

unless something weird happens... we win... does that make sense?

Or NOW does my sacrifice plot work? =-) Navy... Rook... either of you willing to die for the town?

How about some solid input on rook from all players..
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527730 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:49:50 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527701 BigReds42 :
said by Count Zero :

I'll investigate if I live through the night!

OK... I really think this is definitely won.

If we lynch Rook (which is where everyone is leaning)... and if by some chance he IS town...

MD investigates navy...
I roleblock navy...

Based on Gomez being clean... and Jim being cleared by my roleblock last night..

unless something weird happens... we win... does that make sense?

Or NOW does my sacrifice plot work? =-) Navy... Rook... either of you willing to die for the town?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527701 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:44:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527663 Count Zero : I'll investigate if I live through the night!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527663 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:39:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527662 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

If you could elaborate, it would be nice...no?

You're like a cockatoo I used to have.. Started learning big words. Kudos.

On Rook,

Rook only seems to hold back when he's in a protective role, which happens quite often.

This game, he appears to have hung back, and really didn't get active until the pressure started building. I want to reread yet again, but his input seems to grow with each mafia death, more-so when there is pressure.

Current posts are mostly noise or defensive, I've not really seen much protown effort out of him. There have been a few interesting votes, but I'll give him credit for being a good player with the ability to divert attention.

I'm also no sure on the "pigeon" role, but torn on it. It's the only unamed role we have. The generic key roles in the book that would align with the game are piglets, dogs, sheep, and pigeons. Johnny tried sheep, we know the result.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527662 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:38:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527486 Rook008 : If you could elaborate, it would be nice...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527486 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:13:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527451 BigReds42 :
said by Gomez :

Rereading this, I would say that snowball, even as an independent, is inclusive of the three. So rather than the worst case yesterday of two mafia, one indy, it now appears we have one mafia.

So it is 4 on 1?

I am happy to vote for whoever... just let me know who... either Rook or navy... whoever I vote for I will block the other... and I suggest MD does the same... vote for one (which is his case will be Rook)... and investigate navy...

MD... could you give a quick synopsis as to why you believe Navy to be innocent?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527451 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:09:50 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527438 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

See you all in a little while. Or maybe not. Popular play recently has been to vote off the person when they're not around for half an hour...no?

I think I can come up with a better reason than that.
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said by Rook008 :

BigRed said he blocked Jim.

Everyone seems to be waiting for something...no?
Hello.... anyone out there... :D

Specifics please?
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Everyone seems to be waiting for something...no?
Hello.... anyone out there... :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527270 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:40:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527216 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

lab?

The kind with lots of blinking lights and cat6 cables. No cadavers like in yours.. ;). I needed to get some test equipment set up, and despite the documentation's best efforts, it seems to work.

"Mr. Frederick - Human GF
You are Mr. Frederick. You run the neighboring farm and have been looking for a chance to take over animal farm. You are well organized and have organized three others to join in your party. One of your party is snowball, a pig that was kicked out of Animal Farm and is here to help you. You will sneak into animal farm disguised as animals and attempt to take it over from the inside.
You win with the humans."

Rereading this, I would say that snowball, even as an independent, is inclusive of the three. So rather than the worst case yesterday of two mafia, one indy, it now appears we have one mafia.

"Gomez is innocent".. No shit ;) In regards to night/day powers, none.

Speaking of which, do we know where the block attempt was last night? It was a fast read to catch-up.
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Jim - innocent by my roleblock
navyet2sw -
Rook008 -
BigReds42 - town roleblocker
MD - cop

This is my own "verified" list (from my point of view). Just thinking out loud. Without getting into too much though (i.e. like MD has as he has it narrowed down to Rook and myself)

I was suspicious of Rook early on... but since early on... he has "let me go" so to speak... there were several times where I flew off the handle and if he was mafia him and the guys that were left could have come after me... but that never happened

I don't trust navy's vote for me right now... why are you voting me? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527200 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:27:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527132 navyet2sw : back in a few, getting my spaghetti.
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Dead town
AmeritecTech - Vengeful Animal
TheRul - ANIMAL
yock - politician
Scotty4168 - animal
chlen - Animal

Dead Mafia
Doctor Dan - Human
Johnny - GF
Robert - SK
he is listed here because he is listed as helpful to the mafia in the GF role pm)

LIVING PLAYERS
Gomez
Jim
navyet2sw
Rook008
BigReds42
MD

Why would the SK be told he wins when he is the last one left... yet the GF is told that he is there to help?

Sorry... I am just a little hung up on the whole how many mafia are left... I KNOW we discussed this and have decided there IS only one left.. .and I KNOW someone said that whoever was suggesting two mafia left had to be mafia... but those role PMs are confusing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527129 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:13:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527122 Rook008 : I think that theory came up in another game..no? It made sense before, but I would have to re-read it in context to be sure about it in this game.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527122 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:12:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527106 Count Zero : lab?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527106 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:10:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527105 Rook008 : [OT]I was actually wondering about TheRul being the first Night kill. I just assumed that whoever the last Mafia is thought it would be funny to kill me on Night 1, again, and it was re-directed. I think that's why Muz gave me the Role he did...no? So I could at least live and play a little bit. :) Thanks Muz [OT]
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527105 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:10:42 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527104 Count Zero : guilty conscience? I dunno. That's just being observant IMHO. Maybe though. By my logic the human has to be either BR or Rook....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527104 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:10:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527102 Gomez : Sorry, been in the lab all day, catching up. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527102 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:10:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527082 Count Zero : correct.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527082 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:07:37 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527077 BigReds42 :
said by Rook008 :

Older Dog claimed Doc, and Dog, and was unchallenged...no?

No... you are right... I was just scouring every little detail to see if I can find something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527077 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:07:15 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527068 Rook008 : Older Dog claimed Doc, and Dog, and was unchallenged...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527068 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:06:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527065 BigReds42 : None... I am just looking for ANY little bit of evidence =-(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527065 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:06:10 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527061 Count Zero : Of course he was animal. he got killed at night -- the mafia (and we are in agreement there is only one left) won't kill themselves at night or commit suicide....

What role were you suggesting for him?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527061 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:05:21 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527051 navyet2sw : this game isn't always about logic, i have been reading the game since page one, and after therul got killed he was the first to mention janitor, other than rook, who is still surviving in the game.
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said by muzscman :

As the remaining of the farm woke up, they found older dog dead.

Older Dog, has been killed.

I just noticed this while reading all the death scenes....

Why every other time are we told that the dead was an animal... or a fellow animal... here... we are not.

"As the remaining of the farm... " does that insinuate dog was of the farm? Is that the part I am missing?

Normally it just comes out to say it... so I was worried when I read this...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527046 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:03:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527037 navyet2sw : yup, that is the type of setup muz would do.

if the sk is told he wins by being the last one, he usually kills townies, not mafia, as the mafia can think together and eliminate him, but has an easier time killing townies, and thinks that is his best role, it is better for the mafia. letting the mafia know who he is (possible who he is not by person but by character name) they can lay off him and let him help kill townies,) kinda of like the unknown traitor.
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I doubt the Mafia and the Independent would know each other. They are basically each others biggest threat.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527015 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:59:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527014 navyet2sw : so that if there was a role claim the mafia would know who not to kill off as the indy until later in the game, the odds were better for the indy to kill the mafia first, since he has better success with the town.

vote bigreds
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I think Johnny would pull something like that.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526947 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:49:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526930 Count Zero : MD - Cop
BigRed - Role Blocker
Navy - Doppelganger (or whatever Muz calls it now)
Rook - Nexus
Jim - Telepath
Gomez - Squealer/Powers Unknown/Cleared by Cop investigation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526930 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:47:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526923 Count Zero : Squealer. Although I don't remember what powers Gomez said that gave him - if any. He was cleared by my investigation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526923 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:47:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526918 Count Zero : Yeah. He actually got enough votes that just before his death we had reached twilight. Of course technically Johnny's vote didn't count since Robert had already killed him but Muz hadn't spotted the keyboard and enacted it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526918 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:46:16 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526916 Rook008 : Everyone has Role Claimed...no?

MD - Cop
BigRed - Role Blocker
Navy - Doppelganger (or whatever Muz calls it now)
Rook - Nexus
Jim - Telepath
Gomez - What did he say he was?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526916 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:45:54 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526910 Count Zero : Well no one ever comes out and says "Hey I'm the bad guy".... so I don't expect you to. But think about it -- if you are honestly the role blocker and we had a kill last night then Jim is innocent -- and I've cleared Gomez so that would leave either Navy or Rook.... and Johnny spearheaded the charge to kill Navy.... that leaves Rook.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526910 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:45:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526903 Rook008 : Good point...no?

But did Johnny get any support when he did that, I can't remember. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526903 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:44:13 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526898 navyet2sw : yea he wasn't very happy at all.

very well, spaghetti it is.
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If that is the case... with MD's thoughts... that makes me the bad guy... which I am not.

However.... if Gomez thinks it may be Rook... I will go with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526894 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:42:42 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526887 Count Zero : Yeah -- but I'm doubting Johnny would try THAT hard to kill one of his own after he'd been cleared by the Cop. Johnny was visibly pissed when Navy walked on that -- and not just because he got killed I think.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526887 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:41:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526886 Rook008 : lol, definitely C...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526886 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:41:40 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526873 Count Zero : C]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526873 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:40:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526867 navyet2sw : OT

what should i have for dinner?

A--frosted flakes
B--apple jacks
c--spaghetti?

thanks
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You and Jim, with it taking 4 to Lynch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526854 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:37:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526845 Rook008 : "so he was the person i had already submitted as a name to kill on my lynch."

That's what I was trying to explain to Jim...no? Leaving a message with the Mod to do whatever actions.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526845 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:36:21 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526834 Count Zero : indeed. hey muz you mind giving us an official vote count? I promise I won't flip-flop for at least a few hours!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526834 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:34:50 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526827 Rook008 : Not sure about his schedule now. But it says he was on 10 minutes ago...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526827 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:33:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526814 Count Zero : Reading over everyone's stories and looking at their voting patterns (and having cleared Gomez -- he was my biggest fear because everyone says he is so good, and I wasn't sure if we'd catch him in time if he were mafia, and last night was my last chance to investigate anyone since I am dead now that the doc is gone) the only two people who seem logical fits for mafia are yourself and reds. I haven't heard much from Reds in a while... isn't he usually on by this hour?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526814 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:31:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526799 Rook008 : I know what you mean. But I've been fooled before by Mafia planning how they react to each other in the thread, and how they would vote.
I think you're the Cop. The rest I'm not sure.
I figured an unkillable Townie would be an asset, but the confusion with the night actions, and the fact that Muz made me (and Older Dog, I guess) the odd man by not giving me a named character works against me.
I don't know about Red, he seems to be playing like he always has. As for his Role Claim, it's just as uncertain to me as everyone else's.
Getting late in the game...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526799 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:29:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526782 navyet2sw : yes and no, not in a definate sort of way, but the way he was quick to rebutle me, and get defensive when asked for his farm name, not a role claim, just farm name, when he had seen that everyone else had pretty much ponied up the name already.
Johnny tipped me off badly when he really pushed me to hang, so he was the person i had already submitted as a name to kill on my lynch.
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The Mafia need you to lynch me, because he can't kill me himself. It looks like that's what you guys want to do.
Unfortunate for everyone...no?

And Navy, you didn't answer my question. Did you know Robert was the Independent?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526760 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:22:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526710 Count Zero : Yeah. Rook I am going to call your bluff and say you're the human though. Navy is my #2 choice. Reds is my #3. I'm just putting that out because if I am wrong then I'll be dead tonight.

Vote Rook

I'll be back in a while. My wife and I have a dinner engagement tonight thanks to Pfizer or some other pharmaceutical company so I'll be out wining and dining on a multi-billion dollar corporations tab in about an hour. I'll try to check up on the game on my iPhone, may not be able to post much though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526710 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:13:50 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526693 Rook008 : I'll be on for about another hour, I can wait for Gomez to weigh in.

Better to have multiple viewpoints...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526693 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:11:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526669 Count Zero : I believe so. I think Navy was last.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526669 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:07:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526667 Count Zero :
said by muzscman :

Official Vote Count
chlen - 2 - navyet2sw, yock
Doctor Dan - 1 - Jim
Cow - 6 - Doctor Dan, Johnny, Robert. rook008, BigReds42, Gomez
yock - 1 - chlen

takes 7 to lynch..

Dr. Dan and Johnny were guilty, Robert was guilty but wasn't supposed to be communicating with Dr. Dan and Johnny and I don't think he even knew who else he was 'working' with. Gomez is innocent. BigReds and Rook.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526667 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:06:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526657 Rook008 : So you knew Robert was the Independent?
I'm not understanding what that post meant.

Everyone has had a chance to get on, or are on the site now...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526657 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:05:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526621 Count Zero : I don't doubt you. Actually I was wondering since some of the earlier kills where the town lost out to the mafia were lead by Dr Dan and Johnny... thinking that our last mafia person may have been running in the pack with those two.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526621 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:01:13 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526613 navyet2sw : and if you want to validate that, who is the first voter for robert and johnny? even when johnny was investigated clean.
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>
I have explained my role several time.
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No i did not know it was night then back to day when i logged in, i had 4 pages of reading to catch up on.
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yes muz opens another forum off the site for the mafia (i have been mafia for muz games before.
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Yes I think there is only 1 mafia/human left.
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Unfortunatly, Common Sense Isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526576 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:54:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526548 Count Zero : Oooohhhh!!! Burned...

man I walked into that one :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526548 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:51:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526529 muzscman :
said by Count Zero :

This is a LONG thread....

/mod hat off

That is sooo what she said...

/mod hat on]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526529 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:48:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526512 Jim : I'll be back in about 2 hours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526512 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:46:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526414 Rook008 : I couldn't find it on Mafia Scum, but I did find it on the Flash site. Click Protagonistic, then Nexus. Hopefully it can explain better than I could. The Role PM was very close to what it said there. The word ability was different.
Nice graphic...no?

Note to Mod: I didn't quote the Role PM.

The site hardly works for me, but it's up now.
»mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526414 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:34:15 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526379 Count Zero : This is a LONG thread....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526379 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:30:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526375 Jim : Well, mix in 1700 other posts and I can understand my confusion...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526375 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:30:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526353 Count Zero : No, just not as good at comprehending the role PM :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526353 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:27:33 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526343 Jim : OK, we're all on the same page (pun intended). There is a single mafia left. Anyone who doubts that is suspect...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526343 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:26:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526339 Count Zero : I want to hear from Gomez. Gomez was suspicious of you earlier Rook and I want to know why now that he has been cleared (we have no reason to worry about a second GF I hope).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526339 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526328 Rook008 : lol, I was responding to Jim's question.
Funny that we're still debating that...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526328 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:24:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526315 Rook008 : A pigeon. Muz didn't give me a name to go with that though. I figured it would be odd because everyone else, except Older Dog I think, had a name.
Muz screwed me...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526315 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:22:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526308 Count Zero : Johnny's role PM made that most clear...no? That was my understanding of it anyways...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526308 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:21:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526304 Rook008 :
said by Jim :

Of course they can. Do you believe there is more than one?

I think I've said before that Muz takes balance seriously and that he doesn't overload the game with mafia.
I think that with Snowball gone, there should be only one Mafia left. I said, recently, that I think there's one left...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526304 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:21:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526292 Count Zero : What animal were you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526292 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:19:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526282 Rook008 : The Mod or Mods set up a forum off site so that the Mafia can discuss the game and put in their actions. I've played Mafia in a Muz game before. He usually opens it up after the game is over. I can't wait to see what they were saying about this game.

Anyway, any Night Action on me gets targeted to another random player. I don't have to do anything. I assume that it includes Mafia hits, Investigations, Trackers, Doc Protections, and whatever other Roles are in the game..no? I'll see if I can find it on Mafia Scum.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526282 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:18:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526259 Jim : Of course they can. Do you believe there is more than one?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526259 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:15:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526233 Count Zero : Can they...no? I wasn't aware of that. Rook would you mind going over your role with me again...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526233 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:11:33 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526228 Rook008 : Mafia can communicate with each other and the Mod outside of this forum...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526228 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:10:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526205 Jim : He wasn't here. Simple as that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526205 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:07:51 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526184 Rook008 : It would be nice if you simply explained your logic in clearing Navy...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526184 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:05:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526150 Count Zero : I've got to finish reading a chapter of biochem. Guys I've been reading over these last few posts and I'm just getting nothing. I am glad that Gomez is clean because that means everyone in the town can completely and officially trust his logic. I don't remember his night role, or if he ever specified. Reds I have to say that while I had cleared you earlier I am not entirely certain right now -- just before we lynched Dan you were accused by Johnny of 'lying' and then after the lynching he offered an extremely flimsy story about why you were probably innocent. However, if I take your statement at face value and look over everyone else's stuff then Navy does stick out as the most likely target.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526150 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:02:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526145 Jim : I have no problem waiting for Navy to chime in. Personally, I don't think he has to defend himself. But, let's see what he has to say. Do you mind if I leave my vote or would you feel better if I held off...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526145 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:01:27 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526107 Rook008 : How does that matter? When I was Mafia in one of Muz's earlier games, I left a list in case I wasn't around at the later stages of the game. Navy knows he's not around for long stretches...no? He could have decided to kill Older Dog as soon as he found out he was the Doc. Because no one challenged Older Dog's Role Claim.
What I don't get is, why are you so quick to clear him?

I want to see what Navy has to say in his defense.
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I believe you know me well, I react like you're ringing a bell. Are you sorry that you treat me unkind? Never you mind.
Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526107 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:55:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526054 Jim : I'll bet he didn't even knew we were at night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526054 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526035 BigReds42 :
said by Count Zero :

I see what you're saying. Actually thinking about it Navy just stuck out as a very suspicious target. If I assume that Reds did block Jim's action (which supposedly were none anyways because his partner died), Rook reflects actions back at the person who casts them, and Gomez is innocent by investigation then Navy becomes the only reliable target.

Well.... any action ON Rook gets reflected randomly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526035 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:46:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526021 Rook008 : No. The Mafia usually have a Forum...no?
The Mafia don't have to be here to put in a Kill.
How can you clear him because he wasn't here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526021 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:44:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526018 Count Zero : I see what you're saying. Actually thinking about it Navy just stuck out as a very suspicious target. If I assume that Reds did block Jim's action (which supposedly were none anyways because his partner died), Rook reflects actions back at the person who casts them, and Gomez is innocent by investigation then Navy becomes the only reliable target.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526018 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:44:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526009 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 1 - Jim]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526009 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:43:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525996 Jim :
said by Rook008 :

Another thing Jim, with the Doc alive, wouldn't he be the obvious target of a hit, so that the Cop can go next? And the Mafia can communicate with Muz without being on the site. So I find it weird that you can clear Navy so quickly. You just want me gone because you can't kill me yourself...no?

The first sentence, what does that mean? Older Dog (who claimed doc) was killed last night. I don't understand what you are getting at. You are human/mafia. I'm almost positive...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525996 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:41:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525980 BigReds42 :
said by BigReds42 :

said by Jim :

Wow. That takes my breath away.

Reds said he blocked me last night but there was still a kill.

Anyway, my name is Clover and I'm referred to as a 'telepath'. While Scotty was alive we worked together although we were not told who our partner was. I was to pick an action for the night and my partner was to pick the target of the action. Once one of us died (Scotty died on day 2) I became just a plain old horse with no power.

Vote: Rook008

That IS true... I can only assume there ARE two mafia left... but then again...

Nothing against Rook... but I DID block Jim and there WAS a kill.... so either he is not the 1 mafia left... or there are 2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525980 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:39:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525968 BigReds42 :
said by Jim :

Wow. That takes my breath away.

Reds said he blocked me last night but there was still a kill.

Anyway, my name is Clover and I'm referred to as a 'telepath'. While Scotty was alive we worked together although we were not told who our partner was. I was to pick an action for the night and my partner was to pick the target of the action. Once one of us died (Scotty died on day 2) I became just a plain old horse with no power.

Vote: Rook008

That IS true... I can only assume there ARE two mafia left... but then again...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525968 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:38:10 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525963 Rook008 : Yeah, I noticed that too. I guess he couldn't come out and say "I want you all to die!!"

Another thing Jim, with the Doc alive, wouldn't he be the obvious target of a hit, so that the Cop can go next? And the Mafia can communicate with Muz without being on the site. So I find it weird that you can clear Navy so quickly. You just want me gone because you can't kill me yourself...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525963 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:37:58 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525959 Jim : Wow. That takes my breath away.

Reds said he blocked me last night but there was still a kill.

Anyway, my name is Clover and I'm referred to as a 'telepath'. While Scotty was alive we worked together although we were not told who our partner was. I was to pick an action for the night and my partner was to pick the target of the action. Once one of us died (Scotty died on day 2) I became just a plain old horse with no power.

Vote: Rook008]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525959 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:37:16 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525940 Count Zero : Oh I like how Robert twisted his role's actions a little in his descriptions of them to us :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525940 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:34:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525924 Rook008 : Looks to me like you want some backup before you vote...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525924 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:32:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525915 Count Zero : What is your role claim again?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525915 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:31:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525911 BigReds42 : OK... so I am gonna go back and figure out who has been pushing for there being 2 mafia left... just by memory I think that was Gomez, but I will check... if it is, I wonder if he still thinks that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525911 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:31:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525912 Rook008 : Jim, have you told us what you do?
I don't have time to look back right now.
Any help would be nice...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525912 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:31:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525906 Jim : I don't see how it can be anyone other than Rook as long as we accept what Reds has said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525906 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:31:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525867 Count Zero : That's what I think. Johnny, Robert, Dr. Dan + 1.... who is the one.... I'm a goner tonight. We have to figure this out today.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525867 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:26:58 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525856 Jim :
said by Rook008 :

Actually, that's not 100% correct. If he Investigated me, we won't be any closer to an answer. My Role adds confusion by re-directing Night actions.
It's a trade off though, the Mafia can't kill me at night. That's why I was happy to see that Robert is gone, he was the only player that could kill me during the day.
So a little bad, and a little good...no?

Convenient I'd say. Just in case he had investigated you.
Navy (and Gomez - but MD cleared him) weren't even on line during the night phase so that kind of leaves him off my list. I still think Rook is the last one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525856 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:25:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525852 BigReds42 :
said by muzscman :

Mr. Frederick - Human GF
You are Mr. Frederick. You run the neighboring farm and have been looking for a chance to take over animal farm. You are well organized and have organized three others to join in your party. One of your party is snowball, a pig that was kicked out of Animal Farm and is here to help you. You will sneak into animal farm disguised as animals and attempt to take it over from the inside.
You win with the humans.
I DO read that as Him and 3 others... snowball being one of the 3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525852 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:25:13 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525842 BigReds42 :
said by Count Zero :

Gomez is innocent.

I think it is 5v1.... the message when Johnny had died said he had 3 people working with him including Snowball (Robert).

That is the stickler... was it 3 people AND snowball... or including....

Also... if Snowball was indy (as indicated by his role PM) why does the mafia have them listed as one of their allies?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525842 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:23:37 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525827 Count Zero : We weren't given a role for OD - so the mafia person must be a janitor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525827 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:21:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525816 Count Zero : Gomez is innocent.

I think it is 5v1.... the message when Johnny had died said he had 3 people working with him including Snowball (Robert).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525816 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:19:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525804 BigReds42 :
said by Rook008 :

Ummm...Red... I think Older Dog claimed to be the Doc.
This sucks...no?

Shit yeah... forgot... shows me I can't play while at work haha.

No wonder they got him last night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525804 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:17:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525618 Jim : I think I'll wait around for MD. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525618 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:50:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525426 Rook008 : Ummm...Red... I think Older Dog claimed to be the Doc.
This sucks...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525426 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:20:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525406 BigReds42 : Also... this is weird that would kinda stink since he won't know who his action got redirected to (if by some chance he investigated you).

He didn't vote you so maybe that is a good sign...

IS there a doc?

This is my still not quite understanding strategy... but would NOW be a good time for the doc to come out (so we can find out if there even is one?)... he may be dead (could have been OD.....)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525406 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:16:51 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525395 Rook008 : They probably assumed that the Doc was protecting him...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525395 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:15:21 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525352 BigReds42 :
said by Rook008 :

Actually, that's not 100% correct. If he Investigated me, we won't be any closer to an answer. My Role adds confusion by re-directing Night actions.
It's a trade off though, the Mafia can't kill me at night. That's why I was happy to see that Robert is gone, he was the only player that could kill me during the day.
So a little bad, and a little good...no?

Oh.. yeah

I don't think you were on his investigation list were you? I can't remember who offered to be investigated. Have to check later...

Now the question could be... why didn't they kill the cop? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525352 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:08:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525336 Rook008 : Actually, that's not 100% correct. If he Investigated me, we won't be any closer to an answer. My Role adds confusion by re-directing Night actions.
It's a trade off though, the Mafia can't kill me at night. That's why I was happy to see that Robert is gone, he was the only player that could kill me during the day.
So a little bad, and a little good...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525336 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525309 BigReds42 : Praying MD got SOMETHING useful.... it should be... as we don't have to worry about faulty info (no GF)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525309 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:02:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525295 BigReds42 : Hmmm..

BigReds42 - Roleblocker
Gomez -
Jim -
MD - COP
navy -
Rook -

So ... 4 on 2? With no chance of a day kill? Janitor still alive though.

Lynch or lose right?

I blocked Jim last night... I almost picked Gomez..

Here is the way the last day's votes ended up.

Rook008 - 3 - Gomez, Robert
Robert - 5 - Navyet2sw, Older Dog, Rook008, MD_2_Be, Jim
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525295 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:00:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525229 older dog : Not the feed mixer :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525229 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:50:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525214 muzscman : As the remaining of the farm woke up, they found older dog dead.

Older Dog, has been killed.

Players
~~AmeritecTech~~
BigReds42
~~chlen~~
~~93254336~~
Gomez
Jim
~~Johnny~~
Count Zero
navyet2sw
~~older dog~~
~~Robert~~
Rook008
~~Scotty4168~~
~~TheRul~~
~~yock~~

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
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After many hours of debate, the answer was made and Robert was brought to the hanging gallows.

They strung him up and he cried:

"Down with Animal Farm!!"

The floor dropped out and he was dead...

Robert, the Word Bomber/Snowball, has been killed.

Snowball - Word Bomber - Robert
You are the word bomber. Every other day starting on day 1 you choose a word that isn't a name or mafia-related term. The first person that day to say that word dies.
You win when only you are left.
You are not allowed any private communications.

Night People send me your choices
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Come play mafia: »Pub Games :it's fun for the whole internet!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524959 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524896 muzscman : holy shit...this day is over.

Twilight people....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524896 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:57:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524802 older dog : Has this day ended, are we finally in twilight?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524802 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524796 Robert :
said by Jim :

Robert, you were dealt a tough role.
Unvote: Rook008
Vote: Robert

Yes I was, good luck town!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524796 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:41:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524792 Jim : Robert, you were dealt a tough role.
Unvote: Rook008
Vote: Robert]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524792 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:40:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524778 Robert : Yeah, I just found it. All I have to say is that's fucked up. Nothing ever said anything about me joining scum, especially since I win with the farm and survive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524778 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:38:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524764 Count Zero : Here is the exact message:

quote:
Mr. Frederick - Human GF
You are Mr. Frederick. You run the neighboring farm and have been looking for a chance to take over animal farm. You are well organized and have organized three others to join in your party. One of your party is snowball, a pig that was kicked out of Animal Farm and is here to help you. You will sneak into animal farm disguised as animals and attempt to take it over from the inside.
You win with the humans.

I don't blame you for wanting to survive -- I do want the farm to win though, and I am worried that with the odds of you hitting another townie and the mafia killing the doc tonight (and thus me the night after) that we are precariously close to losing our fortunate edge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524764 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:36:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524755 older dog :
said by Robert :

said by older dog :

His kills being random have a greater chance of hitting an animal than human.
That is assuming any of this is true.

Good point, however so far we have only had 2 die, and one was the GF. I should get a randomized hi 5 for that one ;)

Major high 5 for the kill,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524755 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:35:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524753 kewlkarim : me too, me too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524753 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:35:21 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524750 Robert :
said by Count Zero :

The message when you killed Johnny: You have organized a party of 3 to help you -- one of whom is Snowball.

Nothing in my IM ever mentioned that I am helping the GF, nothing.
--
It's one thing to listen to an idiot talk. As soon as you respond, there are now 2 idiots having a conversation.
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The test of the morality of a society is what it does for it's children]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524750 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:35:18 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524747 Johnny : HEY!!! If Sarah can help out in here, I want to also!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524747 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:34:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524744 Robert : Also, if Rook is the ONE mafia member left, thwn the game ends today, provided everyone else is correct.

ANd you can't blame me for trying to survive here :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524744 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:34:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524733 Count Zero : The message when you killed Johnny: You have organized a party of 3 to help you -- one of whom is Snowball.

So we killed Dr. Dan, you killed Johnny (that's 2 out of 4) and you are the 3rd. That leaves one more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524733 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:33:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524726 Count Zero : Sorry! Damn you and your super complicated games!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524726 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:32:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524721 Robert : I want to know how you know we are down to one mafia?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524721 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:32:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524716 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 3 - Gomez, Jim, Robert
Robert - 4 - Navyet2sw, Older Dog, Rook008, MD_2_Be
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42

Damn you MD and you're changing of votes...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524716 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:31:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524693 older dog :
said by Sarah :

»The Game is Ended.

said by Dezbend :
The town wins.

Sarah, the survivor has won.

:p

Yeah but that was you and Dez, like I believe either one of you. :D :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524693 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:27:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524683 Count Zero : OK. Well sorry Robert - I believe you about your role, but I agree with older dog here that having a 50-50 shot at killing someone, and way more townies than mafia left is not good odds for us. I am sorry but I am going to go back to voting for you, just because I think it gives us a better chance of winning overall.

unvote rook
vote Robert

Here is that hi-5 I owe you though for getting Johnny! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524683 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:25:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524681 Sarah : »The Game is Ended.

said by Dezbend :
The town wins.

Sarah, the survivor has won.

:p
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said by older dog :

His kills being random have a greater chance of hitting an animal than human.
That is assuming any of this is true.

Good point, however so far we have only had 2 die, and one was the GF. I should get a randomized hi 5 for that one ;)
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Like I believe her ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524663 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:16 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524637 older dog : The only benefit I see at this time in leaving Robert till later is if we had a clear human to kill which we do not.

His kills being random have a greater chance of hitting an animal than human.
That is assuming any of this is true.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524637 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:19:04 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524594 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 4 - Gomez, Jim, Robert, MD_2_Be
Robert - 3 - Navyet2sw, Older Dog, Rook008
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42
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said by older dog :

Why should I believe you win with the town?

Ultimately this is how the game is played, isn't it? All I can do is tell you how my role works, it is up to you to decide if it is plausible.

If you are convinced, vote for me, if not move on to who you think is scum.

I have stated my role, answered questions the best I can, there is nothing else I can do or tell you. My role sucks for me, and I play the hand I was dealt by Muz.
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said by older dog :

I don’t believe we have ever had an independent win with the town, although some have claimed to in an effort to survive.

Why should I believe you win with the town?

I think you may be wrong. I believe Sarah was an independent once and won with the town.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524561 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:07:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524551 Robert : If you want to know the mechanics of it, I guess you will have to ask muz what he does behind the scenes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524551 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:06:06 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524543 Robert :
said by Jim :

So you have to pick a number?

Ever start of a day, I have to have a number and heads or tails.

I do not know who is going to die until I either read it on the screen or muz IM's me to say that I picked correctly.
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The test of the morality of a society is what it does for it's children]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524543 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:05:06 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524542 Count Zero : As opposed to letting the randomizer choose a name at random]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524542 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:04:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524525 Jim : So you have to pick a number?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524525 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:03:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524522 Count Zero : So you aren't told ahead of time who you're killing if you guess heads or tails corectly?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524522 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:03:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524520 BigReds42 :
said by Robert :

I, am Snowball. I am an independant, and win if I survive until the end of the game and the farm wins. I am sort of responsible for the deaths that we have.

What happens every day is I have to give Muz a number (1 to how many other players are left), then I give him heads or tails. With a randomizer, my number pick matches a player, and if I call wrong (heads or tails) that player dies, if I call right, then they live.

I am not sure I understand this role (I mean I know how it works)... but why would two things need to be randomized (your # and heads or tails)... seems just like too much to mess with .. even for muz.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524520 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:02:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524519 older dog : I don’t believe we have ever had an independent win with the town, although some have claimed to in an effort to survive.

Why should I believe you win with the town?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524519 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:02:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524516 Robert : Like I said:

At the start of every day, I have to submit a number, and either heads or tails. Muz goes to the randomizer, that picks a player, and picks heads or tails.

I am sort of responsible in that I pick a number, which decides who may or may not die based on the randomizer.
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said by Robert :

I am sort of responsible for the deaths that we have.

I'm dumb. Can you explain this statement a little better? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524502 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:59:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524495 Count Zero : choices, sorry. Typing on a mobile I am prone to make some mistakes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524495 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:58:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524493 BigReds42 : Choices I think.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524493 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:57:54 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524488 Robert :
said by Count Zero :

I'll buy this because I don't believe you could make something that convoluted up. I may be wrong, but I'll venture a bet. Any insight as to why the voices you made?

voices?
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vote rook]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524452 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:52:33 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524326 Robert : Okay, I am close enough.

I, am Snowball. I am an independant, and win if I survive until the end of the game and the farm wins. I am sort of responsible for the deaths that we have.

What happens every day is I have to give Muz a number (1 to how many other players are left), then I give him heads or tails. With a randomizer, my number pick matches a player, and if I call wrong (heads or tails) that player dies, if I call right, then they live.

My role is not liked by Napolean, and therefore he sees me as the enemy along with the humans.

The reason for my quietness in this game is that I have to tread lightly, and I kind of lost interest at the start of the game with all the crap that went on. However I do read everything, and I do not vote without thinking things through.
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I'll be off and on sporadically.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524244 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:12:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524169 BigReds42 : That being said... I am pretty sure that the mafia would come in and put the nail in the coffin on Robert wouldn't they? unless he is mafia?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524169 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:58:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524161 BigReds42 :
said by Jim :

I'm half way through re-reading the thread. I've noticed a few interesting things but I have a long way to go. Did you really read Dan's role? I wonder what the other human(s) are capable of.

What "interesting things"? I mean... we are trying to figure stuff out here and you come up with that cryptic message... is it that you ONLY wonder what the other humans are capable of... or is there something else that you left out on purpose.

As I have stated many times... I am abstaining from putting the nail in the coffin. I think we will learn more by how this L-1 for Robert and the L-2 for Rook plays out.... will the two mafia guys sacrifice.... or will the SK change to get rid of someone finally so they can get the next day's kill in (unless they are killed at night)...

Obviously the two mafia left are on the same vote right now (one can assume)... can we discuss that proposition?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19524161 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:56:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523716 muzscman : Takes 5 to lynch and Robert is L1, Rook is L2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523716 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:33:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523712 muzscman :
said by Count Zero :

said by Count Zero :

unvote rook

reds I am turning in for the night. Care to give me one good reason that you feel THIS strongly about rook?

Thought I had...

Damnit...

Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 3 - Gomez, Jim, Robert
Robert - 4 - Navyet2sw, Older Dog, Rook008, MD_2_Be
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523712 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:33:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523708 Count Zero :
said by Count Zero :

unvote rook

reds I am turning in for the night. Care to give me one good reason that you feel THIS strongly about rook?

Thought I had...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523708 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:31:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523686 muzscman :
said by older dog :

said by Count Zero :

How about this? Lets put some pressure on Robert to have him come in here and explain himself. Give his pro-farm statement, role claim if necessary and explain why the drive by vote on rook? Tonight I will investigate rook and we can clear him one way or the other.

Since I was voting for him earlier...
vote Robert

You need to Unvote Rook and then vote Robert.

Older Dog is right...so the vote stands at:

Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 3 - Gomez, Jim, Robert
Robert - 3 - Navyet2sw, Older Dog, Rook008
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523686 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:27:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523524 older dog : Just trying to make sure our mod doesn't miss anything.

You all believe that right :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523524 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:49:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523491 Jim : MD unvoted Rook last night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523491 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:40:54 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523472 older dog :
said by Count Zero :

How about this? Lets put some pressure on Robert to have him come in here and explain himself. Give his pro-farm statement, role claim if necessary and explain why the drive by vote on rook? Tonight I will investigate rook and we can clear him one way or the other.

Since I was voting for him earlier...
vote Robert

You need to Unvote Rook and then vote Robert.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523472 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:37:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523388 older dog : Can your role provide any clues that may help us make a decision?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523388 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:13:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523382 Robert : People may consider it a drive by vote, I seen it as a huge red flag, that gomez reiterated. I have nothing to add other then I think you are hiding who you really are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523382 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:11:33 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523374 Robert :
said by Rook008 :

Robert, why come on with "I'm back, I agree with that, vote Rook?" Did you think you were dropping the Hammer?
I think that is just too strange....no?

Not at all, I just think that with EVERYONE having a specific character, I find it is very strange that you do not.
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I'm half way through re-reading the thread. I've noticed a few interesting things but I have a long way to go. Did you really read Dan's role? I wonder what the other human(s) are capable of.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523342 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:00:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523311 Count Zero : How about this? Lets put some pressure on Robert to have him come in here and explain himself. Give his pro-farm statement, role claim if necessary and explain why the drive by vote on rook? Tonight I will investigate rook and we can clear him one way or the other.

Since I was voting for him earlier...
vote Robert]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523311 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:48:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523171 Count Zero : If you are town as I believe you to be, then killing yourself off only eliminates one more pro-town vote later on when we're looking for actual mafia. Now I know you're afraid of being wrong -- but we all are sometimes. Look how wrong I was about Johnny!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523171 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:31:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522420 Rook008 :
said by Robert :

said by Gomez :

The reason I say this is that every town role has been specifically identified...

Johnny fooled us with "sheep". I'm not ready to accept pigoen.

I am back from work. It is nice to see me getting gangd up on while I am away.

I agree with gomez, in that I don't think muz got lazy and started giving generic roles. I think rook is full of it

unvote nolynch
vote rook

As a matter of fact, no one was ganging up on you, Nexus is not a generic Role, it's probably why I didn't get killed again on the first day, and what have you done for us in this game?
I was walking the Dog thinking that you came on only to drop the hammer, and that you had to be either Mafia or the Day Killer, just wanting anyone to die, but I wouldn't even get to vote for you. That didn't sit well with me. I dislike drive-by voters.
I'm not asking anybody to agree with me, but I need to...
Vote: Robert

Anything that you wish to say would help...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522420 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:54:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522402 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Well that is it for me ... time for bed.

I do not want hear abut how many hours we are into this day, nor about how we can't get anywhere.

bah..

Of to sleep as well..
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I think that is just too strange....no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522360 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:43:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522350 BigReds42 :
said by BigReds42 :

Nope... if I lead the charge and are wrong... I am guilty in everyone's eyes ... which I know I am not.

Or am wrong...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522350 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:42:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522344 BigReds42 : Nope... if I lead the charge and are wrong... I am guilty in everyone's eyes ... which I know I am not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522344 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:41:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522332 older dog : Then try and lead a charge to someone else or vote Robert and notice who goes with you should he be town.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522332 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:39:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522318 BigReds42 : I might be completely wrong about Rook... but i am NOT taking the chance on my own thoughts... I said Rook was last on my list... so why should I let you guys change my mind? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522318 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:37:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522316 older dog : arg!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522316 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:37:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522312 BigReds42 : Fine vote me then... and I will be more than willing to die...

If it is hard for me to be pro-town that seems like I am the most suspicious... so do it... you know you want to... do it. Kill me.

Vote: BigReds42]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522312 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:36:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522292 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Because I feel worse about other players...

Robert not being on much... navy... and I just don't feel that when they have been on that they have contributed much. I cannot remember who right now... but for someone to come on say like one word and vote rook (with no explanation) is very suspicious IMHO

So you'll vote for yourself, but not rook.

It's really hard to see you as pro-town at this point , and from a meta-gaming view... it's not good..
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522292 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:33:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522233 BigReds42 : Because I feel worse about other players...

Robert not being on much... navy... and I just don't feel that when they have been on that they have contributed much. I cannot remember who right now... but for someone to come on say like one word and vote rook (with no explanation) is very suspicious IMHO]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522233 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:22:15 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522224 Count Zero : unvote rook

reds I am turning in for the night. Care to give me one good reason that you feel THIS strongly about rook?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522224 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:19:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522223 BigReds42 : My whole point is that all this while I have said Rook was last on my list... so why would I bandwagon on him when there are other people higher on my list? That is impulsive and stupid. I am not changing my mind of the sake of a "speed lynch" of sorts... I think that is what the mafia is tring to do... I am just going to stick to my guns.... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522223 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:19:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522206 BigReds42 : Oh well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522206 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:16:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522197 Count Zero : I must say reds that while I have been fairly certain of your innocence I do find your current actions somewhat inconsistent. I also do not believe that sacrificing a vanilla is ever a good idea unless it is done in defense of a power player. Ie if you took the bullet by claiming doctor knowing the mafia had been close to discovering the real doc. Granted that is a far out scenario.
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said by muzscman :

good night guys. i hope you guys have something by the time i wake up.

:)

We are looking at a 57 hour day... and I am guaranteeing I will not vote for Rook.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522178 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:13:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522159 Jim : Doubtful]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522159 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:51 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522153 muzscman : good night guys. i hope you guys have something by the time i wake up.

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522153 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522147 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Well I only want to go where you guys aren't taking me.

And like I am not going to be the one that will screw up... I would rather have muz call a deadline and have Rook die that way than me puttnig the nail in the coffin... I am having patience here... just like you guys told me too.

Patience, I will respect.
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Robert, i didn't ask for a role claim, just looking for your animal name that was given to you, you don't need to pony up your role, just your animal name, wasn't really being pushy. just one of the things that i think would help right now.
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And like I am not going to be the one that will screw up... I would rather have muz call a deadline and have Rook die that way than me puttnig the nail in the coffin... I am having patience here... just like you guys told me too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522138 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:10:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522129 Jim : OT
We've officially passed Muz's Seals game with the most replies in a game in this forum and are second only to Muz's beer game for uniqs.
News at 11.
/OT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522129 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:08:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522127 older dog : You obviously missed something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522127 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:08:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522100 Gomez : A few hours ago you're bitching about going nowhere, to the point you setup a nonsense suicide..

We're at the second critical vote of the day, and now you can't decide on a vote?

I'll hold back comments in fear of offending the wonderful females in the forum..
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said by older dog :

said by Robert :

said by navyet2sw :

ok, robert, you agree that there are no generic roles, time to pony up your farm role.

pushy aren't we? Right now, I am not in danger, so it would be in the town's best interest that I not role claim. However, I agree with gomez that MD should investigate me tonight so that I can be cleared.

Can your role provide any clues that may help us make a decision?
As close as we are to an end game, and my being the most likely hit, unless the humans feel they can sway a lynch toward me.

Why would YOU be the hit?

I think me being the roleblocker... I am the most likely or MD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522096 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:04:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522091 BigReds42 :
said by Jim :

I will not say "trust me" because, frankly, I don't know for sure. Who the hell does. I always feel like I'm being played like a cheap banjo. But, that's OK too. It's still fun.

That is why I am refusing to vote for the most part...

I am not going to be the one to screw up.

That is why I came up with the sacrifice angle... had I been a vanilla townie... I would have gladly taken the hit. I STILL think it helps us... like I said... they COULDN'T COME out.. so if anyone came out and volunteered... they would be town and we could have voted someone else... but that never happened because of Gomez. Now do I think that makes HIM mafia... I duno. It may stastically not be the MOST SOUND... but I think it is better than being wrong by guessing)... no one came out in favor but Jim and myself....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522091 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:03:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522085 older dog :
said by Robert :

said by navyet2sw :

ok, robert, you agree that there are no generic roles, time to pony up your farm role.

pushy aren't we? Right now, I am not in danger, so it would be in the town's best interest that I not role claim. However, I agree with gomez that MD should investigate me tonight so that I can be cleared.

Can your role provide any clues that may help us make a decision?
As close as we are to an end game, and my being the most likely hit, unless the humans feel they can sway a lynch toward me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522085 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:02:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522056 Jim : I will not say "trust me" because, frankly, I don't know for sure. Who the hell does. I always feel like I'm being played like a cheap banjo. But, that's OK too. It's still fun.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522056 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:58:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522011 BigReds42 : But as I said... you guys want me to vote Rook because "he is mafia" ... but I don't believe that to be the case right now... so now what.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522011 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:51:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522010 Jim : Wait until Rook gets back from walking the dog. Ask him if he has any last requests. Then vote for him. ;)
Actually, make up your own mind and vote for whomever you feel is most deserving.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522010 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:50:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522005 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

SO what the hell do you want me to do?

Vote rook..

If we're wrong it's the same net loss as your suicide..
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Rook008 - 4 - Gomez, Jim, MD_2_Be, Robert
Robert - 2 - Navyet2sw, Older Dog]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522002 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:48:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521995 BigReds42 :
said by Jim :

It's just a feeling.
Reds was dead set on finishing off the day with any kill, even offering himself. He offered 'proof' that the odds were still with the town even if one of us died. Now he will not vote for Rook. But, it just does not make sense. I don't see them both being human.

Well you guys said I was all wrong... and then when I do try to put input in you guys take the person LAST on my list. SO what the hell do you want me to do?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521995 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:47:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521973 Jim : Your right. It seems ages ago.
Vote: Rook008
Sorry if your town Rook. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521973 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:44:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521946 Gomez :
said by Jim :

It's just a feeling.
Reds was dead set on finishing off the day with any kill, even offering himself. He offered 'proof' that the odds were still with the town even if one of us died. Now he will not vote for Rook. But, it just does not make sense. I don't see them both being human.

»Re: [game] Animal Farm
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Reds was dead set on finishing off the day with any kill, even offering himself. He offered 'proof' that the odds were still with the town even if one of us died. Now he will not vote for Rook. But, it just does not make sense. I don't see them both being human.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521931 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:37:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521897 Robert :
said by navyet2sw :

ok, robert, you agree that there are no generic roles, time to pony up your farm role.

pushy aren't we? Right now, I am not in danger, so it would be in the town's best interest that I not role claim. However, I agree with gomez that MD should investigate me tonight so that I can be cleared.
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Something is nagging at me. I've got to think for a minute.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521886 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:30:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521870 navyet2sw : will be off and on sporadic for the next few hours, actually have some work for awhile.. but no need to change my vote for now.
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said by navyet2sw :

ok, robert, you agree that there are no generic roles, time to pony up your farm role.

I say take out rook, and investigate robert.
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You have the majority against Rook on the other, where is the mafia likely to be,
Genuine question I am asking.

going to take a shower be back in 20.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521859 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:26:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521830 BigReds42 :
said by Gomez :

said by BigReds42 :

Vote count?

So? what's your vote?

Well I can tell you that I ain't dropping the hammer.

If Rook is town, I am not lynching him because heaven forbid someone have a good idea and EVERYONE shoot it down.

As I stated... Rook was low on my list also... so I am just not going there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521830 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:22:50 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521820 navyet2sw : ok, robert, you agree that there are no generic roles, time to pony up your farm role.
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said by BigReds42 :

Vote count?

So? what's your vote?
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This is the craziest party that could ever be,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521812 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:20:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521791 muzscman : it's fixed....chill....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521791 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:18:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521786 older dog : lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521786 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:17:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521742 Count Zero : concur, he voted for Robert.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521742 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:13:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521735 Jim : Older dog did not vote for Rook.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521735 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:12:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521726 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Rook008 - 4 - Gomez, Jim, MD_2_Be, Robert
Robert - 2 - Navyet2sw, Older Dog

Twilight...
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I'll see you guys in a bit...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521701 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:07:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521682 Rook008 : See, that's part of the problem I'm having...no?

"I'm back...Vote:..."

Robert, have you ever seen the Role "Nexus" before? Me neither.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521682 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:05:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521680 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

That's the problem I'm having now. I would vote for any one of a few players, but none of it is in any way solid. Gomez and Jim kind of shot up with that one-two post I linked to earlier, but I can't vote based on a couple of posts that were talking about me.

zou forgot to say "..no?"
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521663 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:02:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521623 Robert :
said by Gomez :

The reason I say this is that every town role has been specifically identified...

Johnny fooled us with "sheep". I'm not ready to accept pigoen.

I am back from work. It is nice to see me getting gangd up on while I am away.

I agree with gomez, in that I don't think muz got lazy and started giving generic roles. I think rook is full of it

unvote nolynch
vote rook
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....no? :-P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521621 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:57:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521617 Count Zero : I understand if you weren't near a computer all day, I'm just fishing for any sign of mafia behavior at this point - and the lurker role seemed reasonable at the time. Of course, I find myself in a whirlwind of conspiracy theories about everyone and that doesn't make anyone seem like a safe bet to vote on to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521617 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:57:10 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521606 Count Zero : Had he argued with them before I "cleared" him, and then buddied up to them just before his death I wouldn't have cleared either of them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521606 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:54:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521600 Count Zero : Honest to God Rook the only players I've cleared to a reasonable degree are Reds and Navy. And that is based entirely on my perceived conflicts they had with the GF following his "clearing" by my investigation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521600 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:54:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521577 Rook008 : Found it. »Re: [game] Animal Farm

And the next post is basically saying "looks bad! Who's with me?"

The only problem is that MD, a player I have a bit of trust in, also went along with it.
lol...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521577 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:51:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521527 Gomez : The reason I say this is that every town role has been specifically identified...

Johnny fooled us with "sheep". I'm not ready to accept pigoen.
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He seems to be on just about everybody's list.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521526 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:42:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521525 Rook008 : You all seem suspicious to me. I've only partly ruled out MD. But his case for being the Cop is pretty good.
Mainly because of my Role, I can't know what Muz has put in here. Whenever the game gets to this point, and we have little information, it always ends up being the same thing. Whoever isn't around gets lynched.

I just think it's odd that I haven't been on all day, when I get back I need to read 10+ pages, and people are in here talking about "well, he posted in another game, but didn't post here" Huh? That game is 2 pages. And I wrote over there "I'll post something here later"

I need to go back and see who posted that. That player will probably get elevated on my suspect list...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521525 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:42:41 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521490 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

I just don't know... you guys make a decision... I am tired of repeating myself over and over again.

Still waiting on Robert's case...

My vote stands.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521490 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:35:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521483 BigReds42 : Can we talk about something new for a minute?

We has a bomb kill on Day 1 and one here on Day 4 right? Is that all the bombs we had?

Why as a SK would you not kill every day?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521483 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:33:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521476 BigReds42 : I just don't know... you guys make a decision... I am tired of repeating myself over and over again.

Still waiting on Robert's case...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521476 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:32:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521461 Rook008 :
said by BigReds42 :

said by Jim :

In what way? I'll pull my vote if you can convince me. It's usually not that difficult.

Just the way he went after me so early... seems like a townie just trying to stir things up to see what kind of reactions he would get. He has been off me for a while now... I am sure he would have come back to me to get me lynched (especially since I have claimed a power role).

Found another...

The reason I went after you was because I really did think that post was odd. And since we were constantly lacking information, I just stuck with it. I have a pretty fair idea of how you play. I think that if you had help, they would have had you ignore the single vote...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521461 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:29:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521428 Jim : I think the "...no?" is what's really driving me nuts (not that I wasn't already).

Anywho, I kind of get the role idea and it's starting to seem semi-plausible.

Who seems the most suspicious to you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521428 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:24:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521403 Rook008 :
said by Jim :

Contrary to what someone said some time today, I've had the feeling Rook wasn't himself for a large part of the game. What has really bothered me about him is is lack of participation. He is generally very easy going, but he does, normally, have something to say. I think he is hiding.

OD, if you can point out what Rook said to allay your suspicion, I'd appreciate it.

Found one...

Lack of participation? You are joking...no? I haven't been near a computer since I left home this morning. And all there was then, was the same stuff from yesterday.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521403 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:20:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521397 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

There's another transfer Role in the game?
An explanation would be nice...no?

That's phrased as a rhetorical question meaning you aren't really looking for a response, no?

I would respond, but as you aren't looking for one, I wont.
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It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521397 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:19:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521376 navyet2sw : The Pigeons symbolise Soviet propaganda to European countries and U.S. Communist newspapers and diplomats, which raved about technological advances and bountiful harvests, but never allowed outsiders to check the validity.

actually it does make sense how it made. the pigeons said one thing when it was really another, so in his case if they tried to kill him, it would kill someone else, (say one thing and end up doing another thing).

my vote stands as is.
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But, I've been very wrong before, so make up your own mind.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521343 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:13:18 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521315 Rook008 : There's another transfer Role in the game?
An explanation would be nice...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521315 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:09:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521314 BigReds42 :
said by Jim :

I'm sorry. Just way too odd. My vote stands.
Reds, are you buying this?

Honestly... with muz at the helm.. I could see it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521314 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:09:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521303 older dog : I thought quite a few posts back when I was looking for a clue from the night actions Rook made a post that seemed to imply they may have been altered.
Seeing as how I had been the bus driver before that was what I was thinking may be his role.

Obviously I wanted him to speak and say himself, since I was just assuming.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521303 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:08:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521302 Jim : I'm sorry. Just way too odd. My vote stands.
Reds, are you buying this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521302 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:08:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521290 Jim : Disregard last post. I didn't see yours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521290 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:07:15 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521285 Jim : Can you tell us what you've done each night?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521285 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:06:33 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521280 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

Problem with that. I'm an animal, but Muz didn't give me a name, just the name of the animal and my Role. I haven't even been able to find out how the two relate. But I know that my Role was meant to throw off the Night actors. It also makes me unkillable by the Mafia, I hope.
I'm a Pigeon.
My Game Role is the Nexus.
Any Night Action targeted at me gets transferred to a random player.
First time I've heard of the Role. Odd...no?

Quit with the no bullshit, no, and discuss..

You're suggesting that we have 2 transfer roles ?
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said by Count Zero :

Does Muz tell you if anyone has used their night power on you?

I doubt it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521270 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:04:37 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521265 Count Zero : Does Muz tell you if anyone has used their night power on you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521265 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521263 Rook008 : Going to go back and find some of the posts that asked me questions and reply. I'll try to follow the new stuff too...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521263 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521250 BigReds42 : Sorry I did mean to say 2 out of 8... .250]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521250 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:02:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521247 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Plus we know myself and MD are town... meaning we would only need to figure out ONE out of THREE

BETTER than the ONE out of 8 we got right now.

There is your flaw... it's not one in eight. it's far better.
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Because the mafia CAN'T come forward and do that... they lose their advantage... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521244 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:01:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521243 Rook008 : Problem with that. I'm an animal, but Muz didn't give me a name, just the name of the animal and my Role. I haven't even been able to find out how the two relate. But I know that my Role was meant to throw off the Night actors. It also makes me unkillable by the Mafia, I hope.
I'm a Pigeon.
My Game Role is the Nexus.
Any Night Action targeted at me gets transferred to a random player.
First time I've heard of the Role. Odd...no?
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BETTER than the ONE out of 8 we got right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521226 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:58:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521219 BigReds42 : OK how hard is it.

Right now... 5-2-1 (SK has a .25 to hit a mafia and .625 against townie)

Mafia kills a townie (best chance is a townie kill and not the SK)

We kill a townie...

3-2-1 (sk is now at .285 to hit mafia and .500 to hit town)

You are SOOO sure that he will hit a townie... lost almost 13% of a chance... while the chances of hitting a mafia is roundabouts the same)

Math is a very wondrous thing....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521219 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:57:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521216 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

OK, back. Had to close the tabs though. I was getting 503 errors from somewhere. Too many tabs, but I wasn't refreshing them or anything. Nevermind.

Anyway, I guess we're all Role Claiming now...no?

I don't want a role claim, just a farm claim..
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So, how do you feel?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521211 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:56:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521196 Jim : Just your name, and make it quick.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521196 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:54:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521190 Rook008 : OK, back. Had to close the tabs though. I was getting 503 errors from somewhere. Too many tabs, but I wasn't refreshing them or anything. Nevermind.

Anyway, I guess we're all Role Claiming now...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521190 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:53:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521189 muzscman : Official Vote Count
No Lynch - 1 - Robert
Rook008 - 3 - Gomez, Jim, MD_2_Be
Robert - 1 - Navyet2sw

5 Votes to lynch
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said by BigReds42 :

While the self-vote was nuts I STILL stand by the best way for this day to go would be for a vanilla townie to sacrifice themselves.

I hope you don't teach math.
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said by Gomez :

said by BigReds42 :

said by Count Zero :

unvote Robert
vote Rook

See that is the one that I am least comfortable with.

Says the guy that pushed for nolynch, town sacrifice, and finally self vote suicide..

Your voting credibility is questionable at best.

While the self-vote was nuts I STILL stand by the best way for this day to go would be for a vanilla townie to sacrifice themselves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521154 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:47:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521150 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

Hold on, I've got all of the posts I need to reply to in separate tabs. I had to read from page 67 to here. Anything you guys need to know now? Looks like people jumping on the guys who's not around...no?

[att=1]

Not at all... I'll play it simple..

Hi, I'm Squeler, who the hell are you?
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said by Jim :

In what way? I'll pull my vote if you can convince me. It's usually not that difficult.

Just the way he went after me so early... seems like a townie just trying to stir things up to see what kind of reactions he would get. He has been off me for a while now... I am sure he would have come back to me to get me lynched (especially since I have claimed a power role).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521149 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:47:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521136 Rook008 : Hold on, I've got all of the posts I need to reply to in separate tabs. I had to read from page 67 to here. Anything you guys need to know now? Looks like people jumping on the guys who's not around...no?

[att=1]
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521136 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:44:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521132 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

said by Count Zero :

unvote Robert
vote Rook

See that is the one that I am least comfortable with.

Says the guy that pushed for nolynch, town sacrifice, and finally self vote suicide..

Your voting credibility is questionable at best.
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said by Count Zero :

unvote Robert
vote Rook

See that is the one that I am least comfortable with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521106 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:58 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521100 Count Zero : unvote Robert
vote Rook]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521100 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:39:12 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521094 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

ok.... that seems fairly concrete to me.
unvote Robert
vote

Here's hoping

Huh? Try the preview button next time.
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unvote Robert
vote

Here's hoping]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521081 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:36:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521074 Jim : And OD has urged caution regarding Rook. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521074 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:35:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521059 Gomez : I'll also point out that Rook posted in the C9 game, but not here..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521059 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:34:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521057 Count Zero : Both Johnny and Dan were making obscure animal comments throughout their dialog.... anyone else?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521057 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:33:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521045 Gomez : No one that I know of.. Johnny tried it with "sheep", but that's all I recall.
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said by Jim :

Who were Jesse, Bluebell and Pincher?

The were early dogs mentioned occasionally but not really key to the story. Mostly used in the book to show snowballs (Trotsky) early supporters.

The key dogs in the books are the ones that napoleon snatnched and raised in private to become the police.
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Unvote: BigReds42]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520995 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:23:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520986 navyet2sw : i think we are down to rook and robert. that is the point we need to drive right now, so that we can see where one leads the others.
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He needs to speak not me, all I can do is assume, and his defenses are always quite entertaining.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520982 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:21:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520957 Count Zero : Protectors.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520957 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:17:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520953 older dog : Think dog - protection]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520953 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:17:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520951 Jim : Who were Jesse, Bluebell and Pincher?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520951 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:17:19 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520950 Gomez :
said by older dog :

It was close enough to the end game that I do not feel my being a night kill will cost the farm anything.

That and posting who I protected and no hits might help give clues.

So tell me why I should back off my vote for rook
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Even though my role really had nothing to do with my name, I was still given one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520940 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:16:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520935 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

He said earlier he didn't. There were several named dogs in the book. The dogs were Napoleon's bodyguards.

Agreed.. the dogs had no name... Metaphor for the secret police.
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That and posting who I protected and no hits might help give clues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520926 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:15:13 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520923 Count Zero : He said earlier he didn't. There were several named dogs in the book. The dogs were Napoleon's bodyguards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520923 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:14:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520921 navyet2sw : i had that much figured out, sorry md had to push you that far, i knew who you were when you stated it was a bad idea, so that really only leaves robert and rook left out. unless gomez is the sk or traitor.. no offense gomez, that is a role i would expect from squealer.
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said by muzscman :

Official Vote Count
No Lynch - 1 - Robert
Rook008 - 2 - Gomez, Jim
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42
Robert - 2 - Navyet2sw, MD_2_Be

2 hours later and STILL nothing. Yeah this is really going somewhere guys.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520917 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:14:06 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520913 Jim : Do you have a name? Please answer quickly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520913 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:13:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520897 older dog : Dog-Doc- I also have the ability to get a glimpse of who would try a hit on anyone I have protected. No one who I protected had a hit placed on them.

1 Yock
2 Chlen
3 Md 2 be
4 As I said no hits were attempted on anyone I protected]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520897 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:10:55 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520895 Count Zero : is that because of a time limit on the game or because we'd run out of people to lynch? Potentially we only have tonight (worst case).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520895 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:10:19 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520889 Count Zero : OD you have got to give us more details. At time point you are being so vague its hard to have trust in you. Every time I feel strongly about someone here I just get more confused about everyone else. May I just say that everyone playing this game is extremely good IMHO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520889 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:09:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520887 older dog : We have only two nights left correct?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520887 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:09:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520878 muzscman : Official Vote Count
No Lynch - 1 - Robert
Rook008 - 2 - Gomez, Jim
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42
Robert - 2 - Navyet2sw, MD_2_Be]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520878 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:08:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520870 older dog : My telling why would just feed rook the lines he needs to say should he be bad.

Anything I might learn would be a waste.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520870 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:06:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520865 Count Zero : Yeah I know. I know that role OD is hinting at. I guess he just knows that's a risk i don't want to take. Heck honestly at this point in time I don't think we have much of a choice but to demand the story from OD. Role, animal, everything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520865 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:05:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520857 Jim : Just a little push.

Vote: Rook008]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520857 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:04:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520851 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

How about Robert? He seems to rank fairly high on everyone's lists, he hasn't said much lately and his last several posts (going back to about Page 13 here) seem to get fairly vague.

And OD is unwilling to claim, and is stalling waiting for Rook. And is unwilling to post the the reasons he's backing Rook..

Ummmm...
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It would be far better than my assumptions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520823 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:59:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520816 Gomez :
said by older dog :

I would prefer not to.
1. It would not make sense to the rest of you.
2. If it was just a spur of the moment remark to mislead me, he may have trouble remembering himself.
3. It was 2 or 3 posts which gave hints.

Then my vote stands.
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1. It would not make sense to the rest of you.
2. If it was just a spur of the moment remark to mislead me, he may have trouble remembering himself.
3. It was 2 or 3 posts which gave hints.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520807 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:56:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520800 Gomez :
said by older dog :

Had to read my notes, not awake yet, he is on my suspicious list.
I had been waiting to see how the rest of you felt, I would like to see some input from Rook.

If you have what you think is hard evidence, it's probably a good time to bring it out.
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No Lynch - 1 - Robert
Rook008 - 1 - Gomez
BigReds42 - 1 - BigReds42
Robert - 2 - Navyet2sw, MD_2_Be

5 to lynch...
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I had been waiting to see how the rest of you felt, I would like to see some input from Rook.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520769 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:52:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520750 Jim : Contrary to what someone said some time today, I've had the feeling Rook wasn't himself for a large part of the game. What has really bothered me about him is is lack of participation. He is generally very easy going, but he does, normally, have something to say. I think he is hiding.

OD, if you can point out what Rook said to allay your suspicion, I'd appreciate it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520750 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:51:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520744 older dog : And for now unvote bigred
before he has a stroke ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520744 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:49:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520732 Gomez :
said by older dog :

I will not give any hints in case I am wrong, Rook made 2 posts that went far toward removing my suspicion on him

Ok.. what about robert? I'll swing my vote one that..
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unvote Jim
vote Robert]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520713 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:44:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520686 navyet2sw : he was the person i was going to shoot if i got lynched.. lol.. just isn't fitting in, ie not playing pro anything, vaguely playing pro town. because the sk wins either way. i think he is the sk, next in line for sk is gomez, but pretty sure robert is human.
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Just remember I believe tech was a dog and pro farm.
Dog]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520667 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:39:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520668 Gomez :
said by navyet2sw :

I. Then i will change my vote and either vote rook or robert. as they will be the only ones who haven't offered to claim to stay alive, or prove they are animals.

Agree on this..

My vote is on rook, especially given his trite comments, lack of any pro town agenda, and lack of input for the last 20 hours.
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unvote older dog

vote robert.
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Are you making role claims a do or die thing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520623 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:31:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520582 older dog : Farm claim would not make sense, I was not given a specific animal just a breed which by itself would appear suspicious.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520582 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:24:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520570 Gomez :
said by older dog :

Give me a minute and I will post what I have done.
It appears I will need to make a role claim and will not have another choice.

Role claim no, farm claim, yes.
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It appears I will need to make a role claim and will not have another choice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520562 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:22:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520544 Gomez :
said by older dog :

I am not clover but I am an aminal

Since we're at critical mass, what animal?
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said by navyet2sw :

it stuck in my head when i had to look up who clover was. She was boxers mate, cause i teased jim about it. since he is a guy and got a female role. that is why it stuck out. look at gomez's post that shows who is who so far.

Again, please validate that.. OD and Jim seem questionable.
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said by Gomez :

said by navyet2sw :

ok, thanks

vote olderdog

boxer is dead, as stated by jim, he was boxers mate (clover) and he stated that scotty was boxer.

Let me reread OD posts and see what I can find on that.

I can't find the specific claim, so it would have been something he said..

I would like to validate that list. Figure out who we think is pro-town, who isn't, and then make the vote.
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said by navyet2sw :

ok, thanks

vote olderdog

boxer is dead, as stated by jim, he was boxers mate (clover) and he stated that scotty was boxer.

Let me reread OD posts and see what I can find on that.
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vote olderdog

boxer is dead, as stated by jim, he was boxers mate (clover) and he stated that scotty was boxer.
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said by navyet2sw :

i need a reply from gomez pretty quick. how accurate is your list? of players and their roles you have posted on page 28?

As far as I know, accurate.. Input welcome.
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said by Count Zero :

Now I could kind of see going for one of those two. You really like the idea of getting rid of rook... but honestly Gomez everyone says you're so good I'm afraid of trusting you!

LOL... well that's johnny from my pimpwar days, which is a tactical and statistical game.

Reread my early posts, I specifically role played squealer so that I could play out the tactic I'm playing now, being get the town roles out in open so that by elimination we could narrow in on the bad guys..

I think I have established myself early as being on the farm with four legs.. My not being SK is a more difficult matter to argue, but I'm not. You can't imagine how much I love animal farm (and how much they love me).. For game setup, consider that Napoleon was the leader (Stalin) and Squealer was his voice (The propaganda machine)..
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Make up your mind... either there is no pressure ... or there is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520075 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:01:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520068 navyet2sw : I don't think that I have offically stated i am not the sk, but i will go ahead and do that now, I have stated what my role is and upon my death later (i figure it will happen) will prove it. I haven't seen much as of yet, i do sort of agree with reds, we are getting nowhere like this.
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No pressure... you said yourself it was LYNCH OF LOSE!!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520067 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:00:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520063 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Oh ... by the way I apologize... we have been in this day for almost 50 hours.

Be patient. So what if it takes a little time. There's no pressure at the moment.
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said by Count Zero :

Now I could kind of see going for one of those two. You really like the idea of getting rid of rook... but honestly Gomez everyone says you're so good I'm afraid of trusting you!

Well I don't like the idea of getting rid of Rook... he was on my ass earlier... and I know I suspected him... but I really think he was just rattling my chain to see what kind of info he could get out of the situation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520054 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:57:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520050 Count Zero : Now I could kind of see going for one of those two. You really like the idea of getting rid of rook... but honestly Gomez everyone says you're so good I'm afraid of trusting you!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520050 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:56:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520048 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

I was fooled by Johnny. Johnny is a smart guy - in the game and in real life - and even though I was suspicious of him earlier I took my investigation at face value. Looking back on Johnny's guilt and re-reading his posts in light of that makes me think that Navy is 99.9% likely not mafia. Maybe he's SK (even though he claims not to be), but I am certain enough that he isn't mafia based on Johnny's previous posts.

Then on my list that makes rook or robert.
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said by Count Zero :

You really serious about sacrificing yourself, then put a vote on yourself. I don't think it's a good idea IMHO.

we need to find someone with SOME level of scummy-ness.

If we ain't found one in 36 hours... we won't with more time.

You know what... I will do that.. just because I am sick of this game... if the town loses we lose... I am not spending a week on the same fucking day.

Unvote: OlderDog
Vote: BigReds42]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520012 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:51:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520010 Count Zero : Listen I'm off to the gym for an hour. I'll check up on this game at around 8PM EST when I get back home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520010 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:51:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19520007 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

Navy isn't on my list because Johnny was pushing THAT hard to eliminate him. Navy may be SK, but he isn't mafia. I'll bet that much.

But you had the vote on Navy early today (game time, not real time), what changed?
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we need to find someone with SOME level of scummy-ness.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519998 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:50:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519997 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

said by Gomez :

said by BigReds42 :

Also... why are you SOOOO sure the SK WILL pick off a townie?

Just basing it on probability, although the SK is probably getting in a very difficult situation. But I really don't want to start handing tips on that.

And I base my thought that a sacrifice of a townie helps the situation my making it LESS likely the SK picks a townie.... how is that not good?

Again, a town death by either sacrifice or bad lynch is a lose or lynch or lose..
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said by Gomez :

said by BigReds42 :

Also... why are you SOOOO sure the SK WILL pick off a townie?

Just basing it on probability, although the SK is probably getting in a very difficult situation. But I really don't want to start handing tips on that.

And I base my thought that a sacrifice of a townie helps the situation my making it LESS likely the SK picks a townie.... how is that not good?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519974 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:46:13 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519965 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Also... why are you SOOOO sure the SK WILL pick off a townie?

Just basing it on probability, although the SK is probably getting in a very difficult situation. But I really don't want to start handing tips on that.
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said by older dog :

Assuming I buy your argument who beside me do you suspect, you don’t need to make more enemies so I will settle for one.

Honestly the more I reread the more you stick out. We may or may not have a role blocker that is not a given but this may be able to be confirmed by other roles, again I am looking for signs from others it need not be overly obvious. This is also why I am encouraging everyone to take their time till all have logged on and have given a viewpoint.
If you have nothing to hide waiting for all opinions would be in your favor.

Your behavior and voting patterns has outweighed my reasons to take your word, I am not at all sure of this and I have hope for further discussion on this by others, that is why I specifically asked others not to follow my lead and vote with me but to make up their own mind.

I really need a short rest be back soon.

This is so funny when I read this.

Who else do I suspect? Well READ THE THREAD. I have said it at least twice.

OK just to satisfy...

I don't 100% trust Rook but I think he is last on my list as I think he was ragging me hard to see how things went.

I don't like how some people haven't stuck out to me as contributing much... I don't necessarily suspect them ... but Navy NEVER talking much even when he is on.... and Robert and Jim just have not SEEMED like added much to the list of evidence....that may not necessarily mean anything (as I have stated... I am NOT that great of a player when it comes to watching for people protecting other people and other stuff that "shows guiltiness"

I don't trust Gomez 100% because he is such a good player...

Gomez ... it is ONLY lynch or lose IF the SK hits a townie... I don't get how you can blindly go into thinking that is a given 100% fact...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519938 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:40:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519904 Gomez : I put my vote up last last night... And the reasons behind it..

BigRed: Minimus
MD: Moses
Gomez Squeler
Older dog: Boxer
Jim: Clover

(if some one sees error, please point it out).

My strongest suspicions are those that don't have an affiliation with town.. That list in order of "scummyness" is Rook,Robert, Navy.

Of course this is has potential flaws, but we clearly have some people with expected, unrefuted farm claims, which narrows the view.

Granted this doesn't account for the SK, but that can be a separate issue as right now we need to find scum to push out the Lynch or Lose.
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Honestly the more I reread the more you stick out. We may or may not have a role blocker that is not a given but this may be able to be confirmed by other roles, again I am looking for signs from others it need not be overly obvious. This is also why I am encouraging everyone to take their time till all have logged on and have given a viewpoint.
If you have nothing to hide waiting for all opinions would be in your favor.

Your behavior and voting patterns has outweighed my reasons to take your word, I am not at all sure of this and I have hope for further discussion on this by others, that is why I specifically asked others not to follow my lead and vote with me but to make up their own mind.

I really need a short rest be back soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519894 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:32:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519867 BigReds42 : My whole idea depends on the SK... if we sacrifice a townie that WILL make it harder for the SK to pick off another townie... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519867 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:27:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519860 BigReds42 : Also... why are you SOOOO sure the SK WILL pick off a townie?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519860 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:26:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519857 BigReds42 : OK then give us the mafia names damnit.

If you are right... then it is game over no matter what way we go... so give me someone to lynch... again... I will state unequivocally that if i get to be L-1 I WILL lynch myself (if muz will let me). 36 hours of the same old shit is getting old... no one voting... therefore no one is giving up info... and therefore we will be stuck this one until someone takes the initiative and bites the bullet... let it be me... I don't care... 72 hours of this will be absolutely useless and some of us have another game to play.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519857 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:25:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519830 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Because I KNOW I am the town roleblocker and I have said that and no one has come out to argue with me on that and yet you have voted me. Why? Only reason could be that you KNOW I am a townie and you want me gone and are hoping to get some people to jump on with you because of my reaction.

Guys... I have a good feeling on this. Two people think this sacrifice idea of mine is a bad idea... how many mafia left? 2. Coincidence... I am starting to think it is not.

Let me explain..

2 mob, 1 indy, 5 town..

sacrifice BR; 2 mob, 1 indy, 4 town.
Night: (mob kill) 2 mob, 1 indy, 3 town.
Day: (SK Kill) 2 mob, 1 indy, 2 town. Technically game over, mob wins, Although it could be argued with indy alive the chance of a mob lynch is still possible. Depends on how Muz would call that.
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Guys... I have a good feeling on this. Two people think this sacrifice idea of mine is a bad idea... how many mafia left? 2. Coincidence... I am starting to think it is not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519799 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:14:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519767 older dog : BigRed I do suspect you, but I am also doing a lot of goofing around with you, I just have a lot of fun in these games win or lose.

So please never take anything I say personal.

Oh and by the way I still suspect you, what are your reasons for voting for me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519767 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:10:18 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519726 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

said by older dog :

said by BigReds42 :

Because now I feel a lynch is best and this is going nowhere and I think muz may impose a deadline and if we don't get a lynch we may be at more of a disadvantage.

Why does that give me an image of you walking up and down a city street ringing a bell yelling the end is at hand repent now?

If Muz imposes a deadline or not is totally up to him, you’re trying to second guess him is suspicious.

And now you are saying lets hurry up and vote so we get a lynch in, and just a few hours ago you were voting for no lynch???

OK. Fine.

Vote: OlderDog

You are pushing WAYYYYYY too hard against me. I really don't understand why if you are trying to help the town win. That is way more suspicious than anything I have done today.

Gomez... I am just sick of everyone telling me to reread... I don't do that much reading for my job... why would I do even more for a dumb game. Why am I being told to reread when no one else is offering suspects either (besides maybe MD)... it is really annoying. We have had plenty of time to read... no one is coming up with ANYTHING (or enough to convince ANYONE)... so why sit here with our thumbs up our asses? Unless some people like that...

Because it's a text based game, with winning mostly based on gathering information?

There are over 1000 posts with lots of good information. But no ones going to reiterate every salient point because someone else is to lazy to reread.
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said by older dog :

said by BigReds42 :

Because now I feel a lynch is best and this is going nowhere and I think muz may impose a deadline and if we don't get a lynch we may be at more of a disadvantage.

Why does that give me an image of you walking up and down a city street ringing a bell yelling the end is at hand repent now?

If Muz imposes a deadline or not is totally up to him, you’re trying to second guess him is suspicious.

And now you are saying lets hurry up and vote so we get a lynch in, and just a few hours ago you were voting for no lynch???

OK. Fine.

Vote: OlderDog

You are pushing WAYYYYYY too hard against me. I really don't understand why if you are trying to help the town win. That is way more suspicious than anything I have done today.

Gomez... I am just sick of everyone telling me to reread... I don't do that much reading for my job... why would I do even more for a dumb game. Why am I being told to reread when no one else is offering suspects either (besides maybe MD)... it is really annoying. We have had plenty of time to read... no one is coming up with ANYTHING (or enough to convince ANYONE)... so why sit here with our thumbs up our asses? Unless some people like that... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519702 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:01:02 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519677 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Well.. therein lies the problem. I am willing to bet that we could be here next Tuesday having the same argument and be on the same friggin day.

That is why I am asking for a willing person.

If you guys REALLY want it to be me... go right ahead and vote me. I will even put the nail vote in if I get to be L-1

A) For a mafia to take you up on that would be a stupid move. For the indy to take you up on it would be a stupid move. For a townie to you up on it would be, you guessed it. I would say in general, unwise move.

I'm sure well have a deadline at some point, and we might need to get a leading vote. That leading vote needs to be scum or indy. So reread and figure out who is the likely suspects.

Everyone has their short lists, and there is probably a common theme in them.
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At the moment I see people talking. So I will impose no deadline. If people stop talking then I will think about a deadline...

:)
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said by BigReds42 :

Because now I feel a lynch is best and this is going nowhere and I think muz may impose a deadline and if we don't get a lynch we may be at more of a disadvantage.

Why does that give me an image of you walking up and down a city street ringing a bell yelling the end is at hand repent now?

If Muz imposes a deadline or not is totally up to him, you’re trying to second guess him is suspicious.

And now you are saying lets hurry up and vote so we get a lynch in, and just a few hours ago you were voting for no lynch???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519533 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:33:51 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519471 BigReds42 : Because now I feel a lynch is best and this is going nowhere and I think muz may impose a deadline and if we don't get a lynch we may be at more of a disadvantage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519471 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:23:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519448 older dog : That is why I am rereading; I missed a lot the first time threw.

Considering how long this has taken why push to end it quickly now?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519448 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:18:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519445 BigReds42 :
said by Gomez :

said by BigReds42 :

Sorry I am just really impatient. Especially when we have absolutely gone NOWHERE vote-wise in the last 24-36 hours?

I would rather just move on. We could sit here and argue for a week and I just don't think we will come to a majority. So I would rather move on.

BS... We had alpha in a coffin ready to put him in the ground until the SOB jumped out.

The problem is that there are a few unwilling to commit to anything.

Well.. therein lies the problem. I am willing to bet that we could be here next Tuesday having the same argument and be on the same friggin day.

That is why I am asking for a willing person.

If you guys REALLY want it to be me... go right ahead and vote me. I will even put the nail vote in if I get to be L-1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519445 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:17:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519406 BigReds42 :
said by older dog :

This is a Muz game anything is possible, rereading can explain a lot.

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

Don't give me any crap about me being mafia either. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519406 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519297 older dog : This is a Muz game anything is possible, rereading can explain a lot.

Md 2 be you are at a disadvantage not being as familiar with some of the earlier games.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519297 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:54:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519280 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

Sorry I am just really impatient. Especially when we have absolutely gone NOWHERE vote-wise in the last 24-36 hours?

I would rather just move on. We could sit here and argue for a week and I just don't think we will come to a majority. So I would rather move on.

BS... We had alpha in a coffin ready to put him in the ground until the SOB jumped out.

The problem is that there are a few unwilling to commit to anything.
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I would rather just move on. We could sit here and argue for a week and I just don't think we will come to a majority. So I would rather move on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519242 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:45:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519239 TheRul : ghost
said by older dog :

You are not that bad of a player and might be able to pull something like this off. You just need to stop getting so offened, and if you drink coffie cut back.

we've secretly replaced the coffee with Foldger's Decaf, let's sit back and see what happens
/ghost]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519239 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:45:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519223 older dog : You could very well be telling the truth, but as you have done twice earlier, getting all upset will get you no where with me.
My first inclination would be to find a tazer and keep zapping you till you stop. :o

Now rationally with out calling me a goof reply.

You are not that bad of a player and might be able to pull something like this off. You just need to stop getting so offened, and if you drink coffie cut back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519223 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:43:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519182 BigReds42 : well if a mafia person comes out and offers to be the sacrifice... then the mafia loses the advantage if we go with it.

It would be 5 on 1 on 1.

So in a sense they CAN'T come out and offer to be the lynch.

That is why OD is on me now... since I rescinded my offer to be the sacrifice... he thinks I am one of the mafia guys since I wouldn't be lynched making it 4 on 2 on 1.

Make sense now with the #s?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519182 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519166 Gomez :
said by BigReds42 :

said by Count Zero :

At the same time, if we don't lynch tonight - I don't get a guilty tonight, the mob and SK each get their kills in, and then we lynch the wrong person the following night then we've lost....

See this put the mafia in a bad position. They can't be the "townie who wants to be sacrificed" and if no one comes out... they can be thought of as being mafia...

Any thoughts on this little bit of newness?

I don't follow this at all. explain?
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said by older dog :

I am only half way thru the game, yet a few people continually act suspicious, so evidence is not lacking.

You are continually rushing and trying to avoid a review of the past events.
Interesting how you rescind that offer you so generously placed on the table when it comes right down to it and so generously offer others in your place. :p

I am not trying to encourage a pile on at this point reread and judge for yourself, I may still change if I feel a better threat have been presented.
Vote: Bigred

Hey... I will go with a majority... if you want to get rid of a town roleblocker... I will be more than willing to take the hit.

I am rushing because two days of the same old shit is getting us nowhere!

If there is so much evidence out there... give us someone better to lynch than me... I am the freaking town roleblocker you goof!

You know... this seems TOO convenient.

Come on and vote me... making us think that only a crazy mafia would come on and vote the town roleblocker... so if that is the case then you have to be town right?

Trust me... I am not that good of a player to come up with this ingenious plan of offering myself up and then when there is a way to get the mafia to show themselves to rescind that idea of the offer.

I think we may have our "sacrifice".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519161 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:34:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519110 older dog : I am only half way thru the game, yet a few people continually act suspicious, so evidence is not lacking.

You are continually rushing and trying to avoid a review of the past events.
Interesting how you rescind that offer you so generously placed on the table when it comes right down to it and so generously offer others in your place. :p

I am not trying to encourage a pile on at this point reread and judge for yourself, I may still change if I feel a better threat have been presented.
Vote: Bigred ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519110 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:26:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519106 BigReds42 : That was you wasn't it Jim?

You said something like... well if we are sacrificing... might as well be me? or something like that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519106 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:26:11 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519093 Jim : Just keep an eye on who is on line.
That, along with this new ploy, will be very telling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519093 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:24:28 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519073 BigReds42 :
said by Count Zero :

At the same time, if we don't lynch tonight - I don't get a guilty tonight, the mob and SK each get their kills in, and then we lynch the wrong person the following night then we've lost....

The only thing about making a lynch is that there IS a greater probability of the SK picking a mafia person if we do lynch.

Unvote: No Lynch

So I am willing to lynch SOMEONE... so now... as to who.

So here is what I suggest....

Since I have a role I will take off my offer to be a sacrifice.

Who else offered? Jim? (someone want to verify?) I think that makes him 100% townie. So he is off the list.

Anyone NOW want to offer to be the sacrifice?

Narrowing it down to

Gomez
navyet2sw
older dog
Robert
Rook008

Who wants to take one for the town?

See this put the mafia in a bad position. They can't be the "townie who wants to be sacrificed" and if no one comes out... they can be thought of as being mafia...

Any thoughts on this little bit of newness?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19519073 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:21:18 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518986 Count Zero : I agree, in hindsight they are more obvious than I first realized.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518986 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:09:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518983 Count Zero : At the same time, if we don't lynch tonight - I don't get a guilty tonight, the mob and SK each get their kills in, and then we lynch the wrong person the following night then we've lost....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518983 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:08:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518973 Count Zero : Except avoiding a 66% probability of lynching a townie. As I said, I think if we lynch a townie, the mob kills a townie and the Sk gets in a kill then the town loses. That will happen tomorrow if we lynch the wrong person. If you have a good idea of who to lynch I am all ears.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518973 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:07:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518962 BigReds42 :
said by older dog :

That is true, or at least one that would likely be agreed upon with any speed.

Discussion leading to some very interesting clues is happening.

True... but we will be here until next week ... discussion (theories) is nice.. but evidence is very lacking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518962 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:05:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518921 muzscman : Official Vote Count
No Lynch - 2 - BigReds42, Robert
Rook008 - 1 - Gomez
Jim - 1 - MD_2_Be
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Discussion leading to some very interesting clues is happening.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518912 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:55:15 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518895 BigReds42 :
said by older dog :

Many will not have time to post till later, why are you in such a hurry?

In no hurry.. this day has gone on a LONG time (for us) and we are no where close to making ANY type of decision.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518895 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:52:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518883 older dog :
said by Gomez :

said by Count Zero :

... However, I'd like to hear Gomez and Jim's rebuttals to my earlier mathematical argument about why it may this one time be in our best interests.

Rubattal too what, that statistically a bad lynch is always worse than a no-lynch? Not sure that can be argued, but that could be the reasoning day one and everyday thereafter. Of course, town would rarely win.

It sounds like people are counting on the probability of you getting a guilty tonight,which is what ~33%? Otherwise the no-lynch didn't gain us much.

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518883 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:50:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518867 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

... However, I'd like to hear Gomez and Jim's rebuttals to my earlier mathematical argument about why it may this one time be in our best interests.

Rubattal too what, that statistically a bad lynch is always worse than a no-lynch? Not sure that can be argued, but that could be the reasoning day one and everyday thereafter. Of course, town would rarely win.

It sounds like people are counting on the probability of you getting a guilty tonight,which is what ~33%? Otherwise the no-lynch didn't gain us much.
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said by navyet2sw :

Clover is on the Wiki, "she" sorry jim,

I've been waiting for it. But, my figure has gone to hell!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518856 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:46:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518838 navyet2sw : Clover is on the Wiki, "she" sorry jim, is the mate to the draft horse that splits his hoof.

oh yea to answer your question, md, it would either be gomez or rook. gomez is said to be squealer, whom i could consider the traitor, and rook looks alot like snowball, who could also be the traitor. either of those 2 for now.
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said by older dog :

I admit I should have reread the book, but I have not and could not find clover listed on wiki.
Could you then simplify for me what you are saying?

Side note rereading game, I am only half way through, it is amazing how obvious the guilty have been in hind sight.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
Click "2.3 Horses"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518832 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:43:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518821 older dog : I admit I should have reread the book, but I have not and could not find clover listed on wiki.
Could you then simplify for me what you are saying?

Side note rereading game, I am only half way through, it is amazing how obvious the guilty have been in hind sight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518821 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:40:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518818 Jim : I was told he was.
I picked the 'action' for the night. My 'other half' picked the target. On the first night to 2nd day, I was told that Johnny was innocent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518818 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:39:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518654 Count Zero : I am just curious how that role led you to believe he was innocent. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518654 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:16:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518578 Jim : I should add that I did not know who I was working with until he was killed. I had a good idea because of his role claim. I am Clover.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518578 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:00:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518571 Jim : Small hint?
I've pretty much laid it out already.
I said earlier I worked with Scotty. One of us picked a night action, the other carried it out. We were both given the result. Once he was killed, I became what we would refer to as 'vanilla'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518571 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:59:22 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518486 Count Zero : would you mind giving a small hint as to your role?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518486 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:43:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518453 older dog : Many will not have time to post till later, why are you in such a hurry?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518453 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:39:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518414 BigReds42 : Guys... let's face it... this isn't going anywhere... I would imagine muz may impose a deadline soon... either let's make a decision or go with the no lynch... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518414 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:32:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518397 Jim : I was as surprised by his guilt as you were. I don't think it's worth it to spell out my entire role, but I really thought he was 'innocent'.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518397 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:30:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518371 Count Zero : you didn't sound terribly happy about the death though... That's just what strikes me as odd..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518371 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:45 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518259 Jim : Ask Muz.
Before he edited his vote count, things were seriously screwed up. On top of that, my vote should have killed Navy. We didn't really understand what had happened (Johnny was apparently killed before night fell).
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518259 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:06:57 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518170 Count Zero : Then again Jim...

if you are farm can you explain this quote a bit?

quote:
said by Johnny :

/ghost

This is wrong. Navy was dead. He had six votes on him. We were at L-2 for ages and then Rook and Jim hammered him. Now you have Navy voting for himself and me.

/ghost

Yea, I gotta admit. Something is really screwed up.
Muz, you haven't been drinking this early have you?

That sticks out as a sort of mafia thing to say when your GF who had just completed an amazing penetration of the farm's cop's defenses magically blows up just before Johnny succeeded in having Navy eliminated....

I'm going to put a vote Jim

I'm open to hear your explaination though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518170 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:48:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518153 Robert : I am gone to work, back in about 9 hours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518153 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:44:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518151 Count Zero : In Johnny's last substantial post, after I had 'cleared' him and just before the bomb went off he did say that "rook is more talkative than in the past when he is scum". A subtle clue perhaps? Of course he also side-steps Gomez entirely by saying "he is so good anything is possible". I am going to venture a bet and say that I believe Navy's story to be true because the GF wanted him G-O-N-E vociferously. What is interesting to me is how Johnny can "jump" on Reds and then clear him the next day. Those are two 'leads' I've sort of been pushing around in the back of my head. I am still not sure a lynch is in the farm's best interests though just based on the math. However, I'd like to hear Gomez and Jim's rebuttals to my earlier mathematical argument about why it may this one time be in our best interests.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518151 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:44:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518101 Count Zero : Interesting. Rook has been trying to point out Gomez, but several people are pointing at rook...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518101 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:36:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518037 Jim : Take this with a grain of salt, but Rook has been awfully quiet this morning. He has been absent for over an hour but he was on this morning and did not bother with us. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518037 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:28:04 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517757 Count Zero : I dunno. I doubt the SK is going to waste any time.

Navy last night you said you had an idea about who you would kill -- would you please tell us who, and why you were suspicious of them?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517757 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:42:08 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517677 Count Zero : Gotcha. Well in that case since you never blocked Johnny that doesn't tell us too much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517677 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:29:52 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517659 BigReds42 : I think the way it normally works is that the GF tells muz who is making the hit and on whom the hit is made.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517659 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:14 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517633 Count Zero : My guess the mafia has multiple people, so even if you block one it is possible they still were able to tell muz who they wanted killed at night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517633 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:22:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517602 BigReds42 :
said by Robert :

said by Gomez :

Right now we have 8 players, Assumed 5 town, 2 mob, 1 indy.

With no lynch; In the a.m. Likelyhood is that we lose a town in the night (mob kill) and in the day (sk kill), making it 3 town, 2 mob, 1 indy. That's Lynch or lose. There is a chance that the SK kills a goon, or the mob kills the SK, but it's not worth betting on.

You are right with the math. However, if we screw up today, and hit one of our own, will that lead us to a possible 2 town, 2 mob and an indy?

That is why I would rather not screw up... besides... if we get day started before whoever the SK comes on... maybe we can get lucky that way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517602 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:18:10 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517586 BigReds42 : Night 1 - Blocked DrDan
Night 2 - Scotty

These were purely at random (I was hitting people early who weren't posting much).

Night 3 - Rook

Sorry man... as much as you were on me early I didn't wanna take a chance just in case).

I am NOT told whether my block is successful... however, assuming everything has gone on as normal (with night kills happening)... i may not have hit the right people... so that may clear Rook.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517586 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:15:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517570 BigReds42 : Gimme a sec to look up who I blocked on which days and catch up on the reading since my last post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517570 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:12:12 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517353 Count Zero : that's what I was getting at. We are already at sink or swim.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517353 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:32:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517339 Robert :
said by Gomez :

Right now we have 8 players, Assumed 5 town, 2 mob, 1 indy.

With no lynch; In the a.m. Likelyhood is that we lose a town in the night (mob kill) and in the day (sk kill), making it 3 town, 2 mob, 1 indy. That's Lynch or lose. There is a chance that the SK kills a goon, or the mob kills the SK, but it's not worth betting on.

You are right with the math. However, if we screw up today, and hit one of our own, will that lead us to a possible 2 town, 2 mob and an indy?
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quote:
Mod Note:

The kill for Johnny was put in yesterday. Before twilight had been reached, the kill had been put in for Johnny.

So that means that the SK didn't know the results of my investigation. Hmmm... Oh well I need to get back to studying. This 20 minute break has been refreshing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517257 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:11:12 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517238 Count Zero : No wait, muz said the "kill Johnny" command came in earlier than my investigation results I believe. I take back what I just said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517238 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:07:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517227 Count Zero : I see your point. I'm honestly not used to games this complex. I was just thinking that if we lynch a town, the mob kills a town and the SK kills a town we've lost right? If we kill the SK or a mob then we're doing great, but I'm 0% of who anyone is.

Now I just thought of something when reading your post -- do you think the SK killed Johnny because he suspected that he was the GF or because he believed my investigation results and was trying to mow down the town?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517227 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:05:12 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517222 Jim : I have to agree with Gomez. A no lynch could be disastrous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517222 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:04:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517213 Jim : OT
Totally useless information to follow.
Right now this game sits at 4th place for 'replies' and 2nd place for 'uniqs' (whatever that means) for this forum.
/OT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517213 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:02:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517210 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

The reason that Rook, OD and Gomez sometimes give me odd vibes is I feel that they kind of bounce back between accusing and defense. That's probably just better play than I am used to however. As much as I keep hearing that 'no lynch' is a mafia tactic it does seem kind of temping right now since I think the farm has a bit of a lead over the mafia after our lucky break of two mafia kills in a row. Johnny's death was nothing short of a miracle. I mean honestly.

Right now we have 8 players, Assumed 5 town, 2 mob, 1 indy.

With no lynch; In the a.m. Likelyhood is that we lose a town in the night (mob kill) and in the day (sk kill), making it 3 town, 2 mob, 1 indy. That's Lynch or lose. There is a chance that the SK kills a goon, or the mob kills the SK, but it's not worth betting on.
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Agreed. That's just why I didn't ask [earlier myself]. I wasn't sure it would net us anything. However, since you are also interested I'd like to see who he has used this ability on.

Sorry, just re-read that post and realized it sounds like I was trying to ask myself a question about red's powers. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517189 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:56:59 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517182 Count Zero : Well on our way, well on our way my friend. This is a damn tricky game you've set up. Maybe this evening will yield something though -- Reds is teaching school, I'm in the study room, Gomez is at work, Navy doesn't seem to get on often at all...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517182 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:55:31 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517169 muzscman : Mod Note

The record for a game is 30 pages. We are at 27 right now. It was Mafia 8. Lets bet that record!

:)
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said by Jim :

But from what I've read, most feel we have almost nothing anyway. Every little bit helps.

Exactly.

So Red, who have you blocked, and does muz tell you if you have blocked someone? Maybe we can narrow down who's who
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No Lynch - 2 - BigReds42, Robert
Rook008 - 1 - Gomez

I believe we are still at 5 to lynch.
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For some odd reason, I'm believing Red's also. Since you have outed yourself as the role blocker, can you tell us what you have done? It may give us some insight.

Gomez has been consistent but he is very good at this. At this point I cannot find any solid reason to doubt him.

Navy is my weakest 'safe' bet. I just don't think he is mafia/human.

The rest (Rook, Robert and OD) are my 'best' suspects.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516732 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:48:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516726 Count Zero : OK. I probably won't be on too much today until this evening. I have an hour in the anatomy lab and then a lot of biochem reading to catch up on... some pathology and microbiology too. I'll try to get on during study breaks and see what is going on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516726 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:46:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516652 Jim : Seems I have a lot to catch up on so don't label me for not posting right away even though I'm here. Give me a little time. Please. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516652 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:17:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515872 BigReds42 : Time for bed...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515872 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:00:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515798 Rook008 : And getting Gomez to talk revealed nothing to me except that he's a bit defensive and likes to throw around accusations. That's Noted.

Unvote: Gomez
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515798 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:48:04 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515759 Rook008 : lol. Yeah, Navy's Role was called the Doppelganger in a previous game, I think. I was it. I was supposed to take over the ability of the first person to die. I never got to play it out because I was killed (again!) on the first night by the Mafia.
It makes sense that Muz would use the Role again to see how it works out.
For the record, I am not the Day Killer. That leaves the rest of you...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515759 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:41:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515739 Robert :
said by BigReds42 :

I can't see us reaching a majority here... too much all over the place...

I agree. I think I'm with you on this one Red. I think we are close enough to the end game that a no lynch would eliminate a know townie (assuming mafia hit), making it a little easier for us to root out scum.

Not sure how our SK plays into the odds.

vote no lynch
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By noon eastern time I will try and reread this entire game.
Taking notes this time, I should be able to raise or lower my suspicions some, I hope.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515525 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:02:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515480 older dog : no shit]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515480 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:55:00 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515471 BigReds42 : I can't see us reaching a majority here... too much all over the place... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515471 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:53:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515460 older dog : I always leave a browser window open on BBR, was on the phone for the last hour.
Honestly I am not sure where to point fingers at this time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515460 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:51:42 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515433 Count Zero : I am going to bed. Gotta wake up at 6 to go hang with my cadaver in the anatomy lab.
Just until we have a bit more evidence one way or another.... Goodnight all.
unvote Gomez]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515433 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:48:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515327 Count Zero : older dog has been on recently but hasn't posted anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515327 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:34:51 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515319 Count Zero : lets see when our two lurker friends were last on....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515319 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:33:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515259 Count Zero : That's a risk I really don't want to take. But you are sort of denying that you are the SK here.... and bigreds claims he's not either. Very interesting. That leaves rook, jim, robert, older dog and gomez. If you shoot the doc (or we lynch him for that matter) if he's good enough to not scream his role immediately upon death and waiting until muz posts the kill in the morning, then I'll only get one more investigation in. I'd really like to have about 5 more - but that's obviously not possible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515259 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:25:40 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515228 navyet2sw : Nah i wouldn't kill you, i have ideas on who i would kill, but you may yet prove useful.

my im doesn't say the name of the character that takes anothers role on death, just says mollie, then explains what happens when the first player dies.

but knowing my luck if i shot someone i would shoot the doc.. lol
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said by Count Zero :

So we lynch you (a townie), you shoot someone (I hope you have good evidence that you're shooting mafia), I investigate someone tonight -- say rook or gomez and then in the morning we go from there? That seems like a big risk for the town though.

I agree... we don't have any evidence against anyone to get a solid lynch.. .why the hell would we take a chance of you picking someone at random to kill (no offense)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515225 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:19:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515210 Count Zero : I think he'd probably kill me, but that really doesn't benefit the town....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515210 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:18:20 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515208 navyet2sw : yes thank you MD, my original role was mollie. and i got the role of the person who died first, which was tech. kinda like when i was the lyncher and Muz was the lynchee, and rook took his role after he died, don't remember the name of the role, (no i don't want to dig in my Im's from muz)
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Sorry for the confusion... I don't know who who is anymore lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515202 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:17:37 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515190 Count Zero : I think his role was explained earlier in Ameritech's death. he gets to kill someone upon being lynched. Vengeful animal. That's his claim at least.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515190 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:16:09 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515189 navyet2sw : uhhh look at Tech's role, that is now my role..

i was more thinking that squealer would be the traitor. That is the only reason i suggested that. Not sure how it would work tho, since Napolean hired a human to represent us in the world.
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said by navyet2sw :

Oh hell, just lynch me and let me shoot someone. please.. lol...

Explain...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515181 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:14:32 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515178 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

I don't know. I was kind of thinking that Navy was the SK (or you, but you're saying no). I have no idea about Jim, Robert, Gomez or older dog. We must have at least ONE vanilla townie here right?

Do you have any reason to call Bullshit on my stating that I'm Squealer? Posts before a kill, even before the drama, were made to facilitate that claim. I can bring up specific posts as the voice of Napoleon and talking about our prosperity yadda yadda yadda..
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Or even 5 on 2 with a traitor and 1 SK]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515177 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:13:47 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515173 navyet2sw : Gee i wOuld think there are Many pOssibilities. but i see Zero thoughts coming to my head.

not sure tho. if you have someone to block, who do we lynch tonight? Oh hell, just lynch me and let me shoot someone. please.. lol...
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We are going absolutely NOWHERE.

Let's discuss this... who should I block during the night (assuming i am not the mafia hit)?

Maybe that will help us make a decision... it may not be good for me to come out and actually roleclaim, but this is really going nowhere....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515127 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:05:53 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515124 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Gomez - 2 - Rook008, MD_2_Be
No Lynch - 1 - BigReds42
Rook008 - 1 - Gomez
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OBTW if i die in the night tonight, better start looking at who is argueing against my theory. lol...
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I am not sure who i should be looking at more right now, the people who think the idea would work or the people who laugh at it as a cover. No offense MD, but a new guy coached by a good player (OD, Gomez (just naming a few good players)) and told how to play his role would be hard to detect.

Even bigreds, with the no lynch, that is usually a known mafia tactic, esp right now with the numbers drawing down close to even. Even tho stated his death would give us an investigation... wondering if you are the traitor, and your death tells us who you were in contact with. (kinda thin idea, but idea none the less.)

I suspect there is 1 Mafia left, and The traitor, along with the SK, whom might actually just be the traitor, option of killing an animal or maybe betraying one? ie he might be able to find out someones role at night , or take a chance and kill a known player in the daytime. But that doesn't explain killing of johnny at all.
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said by BigReds42 :

OK... and as to the three others thing... I just read it wrong... that would make 4 AND a traitor. Man seems like we are screwed.

Screwed, no.. challenged yes..

Need to look at those that don't have any town affiliation.. Which is Navy, Robert , and Rook and jim. Odds are pretty high.. Again, rook is highest on my list. The following day, we carefully evaluate MD's findings and go from there.
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I look for input on that..

And, navy et. al. is correct. You vote is on Squealer, positioned that way from day one.
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said by Count Zero :

lol that doesn't sound as strong as it did in my head.

Listen Gomez I had a feeling about you earlier, and you seemed to clear that up, but now you're gunning after me? I think you're trying to make a few arguments and see which sticks and then go that route. vote Gomez

Just playing devils advocate to see what shakes out.. Much has.
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Listen Gomez I had a feeling about you earlier, and you seemed to clear that up, but now you're gunning after me? I think you're trying to make a few arguments and see which sticks and then go that route. vote Gomez]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514606 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:54:34 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514586 older dog : I ment to include this in my above post.

said by Gomez :

said by older dog :

At this point the real cop would have role claimed to changeable the fake.
Md 2 be is most likely it.

Not if he were dead...

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514586 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:51:36 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514562 older dog : The above said by me and then Gomez, does it seem reasonable for him to say that if he was mafia.

I am suspicious of Gomez, and said it looking for what type of response I would get.
One of the things he would be careful about doing is helping the town, however slight.

Yes it keeps some focus on you and that may have been his motive and not to help the town.

Everybody is giving consistent answers it is just getting frustrating and I am getting desperate for a clear guilty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514562 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:48:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514558 Count Zero : I am the cop, I do see how you could come up with that theory though. Listen the best example I can use to prove that I am the cop is that I voted for Dr. Dan immediately on the morning of the 3rd day and then very strongly tried to recruit everyone onto him. That just doesn't seem like mafia to me, even cover tactics.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514558 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:48:18 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514483 Count Zero : Pardon?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514483 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:36:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514310 older dog : And you likely would not have said that had you been human, :)too many things to note in this game.

Does that make sense to the rest of you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514310 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:13:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514223 Rook008 : Is snowball a Human? I still don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
Noted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514223 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:01:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514215 Gomez :
said by older dog :

At this point the real cop would have role claimed to changeable the fake.
Md 2 be is most likely it.

Not if he were dead...
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said by Rook008 :

Does it say three additional Humans? The fact that a characters name was mentioned leads me to believe that there's something different about the 4th player.
4 Mafia, apparently one of which could kill people every other day, sounds like a recipe for an unbalanced game from the start. I doubt Muz would set up a game and break his own rule about how many Mafia there are.
And it was BigRed who wanted the No-Lynch. I don't like it unless all of the criteria for using it effectively are met.

What do you mean by the answer to the second quote. Less confusion would be better...no?

It says three additional, one of them being snowball...
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Md 2 be is most likely it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514196 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:57:43 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514178 Rook008 : Does it say three additional Humans? The fact that a characters name was mentioned leads me to believe that there's something different about the 4th player.
4 Mafia, apparently one of which could kill people every other day, sounds like a recipe for an unbalanced game from the start. I doubt Muz would set up a game and break his own rule about how many Mafia there are.
And it was BigRed who wanted the No-Lynch. I don't like it unless all of the criteria for using it effectively are met.

What do you mean by the answer to the second quote. Less confusion would be better...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514178 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:55:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514158 Gomez :
said by navyet2sw :

ok, I am going to make everyones brain hurt now.

first-- how can we validate md as the cop? both investigations have been humans, we didn't lynch johnny, the sk got him.

What if md is the mafia janitor,( i would assume snowball) he would know the roles he cleaned up (i think) and would know the cop was dead, and would explain why he isn't dead yet from night kills. (assuming the dr is dead too). we have no claim of dr (not suprising)
md could claim he investigated johnny, clearing him, even tho he was the GF, and giving up dr dan, which is only 1 of 4 mafia players. which would have left the gf and one other clean from suspicion, including himself, even if they gave up another one tonight. (or put out someone was innocent and kind of lead the town to kill a townie, then it would be 3/3 mafia to town, with the sk still.

anyone not follow that, it sounds good in my head, want to make sure it made it to words.

This is possible assuming the mob knows to role of the kills..

Put the new guy in as a replacement cop, given the advantage, sacrifice Dan to establish a pro-town impression.

The players that would see that, and build the strategy, are numbered.

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One possible flaw in that, Md 2 be being new would have to be one of the best natural liars of all time.
A scheme like that would fit in with how I see Johnny, and DrDan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514108 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:45:56 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514080 Gomez :
said by Rook008 :

Anyway, I doubt that there are 2 Mafia left. Although it's unwise to underestimate their numbers, BigRed was right when he said that Muz doesn't set up his games with more than 25% of the players as Mafia. We started with 15. I'm thinking that there's probably a Traitor, but we don't have to kill him to win the game. Just be aware that there's probably more than 1 player trying to influence the voting.

»Re: [game] Animal Farm

As posted, Johnnys role clearly states three additional. Not sure why this even worth bringing up, unless you really want that no-lynch.

said by Rook008 :

"Fully aware" is a big over estimation of my knowledge of the theme material. I know I said I was going to read the book, but I never did. I still don't care so much for the names of players unless they're challenged. I'm more concerned with what abilities players have in the game, because the sooner I can figure some of that out, the less likely I will be to cast a bad vote.

I was going to pull my vote off of you when you came back to clear things up, and try to get the others to speak up, but you seem pretty quick to throw a vote my way, and announce that I was "fully aware" so now I hesitate.

Convenient. The tactic was played out so the mafia couldn't safely role claim.
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first-- how can we validate md as the cop? both investigations have been humans, we didn't lynch johnny, the sk got him.

What if md is the mafia janitor,( i would assume snowball) he would know the roles he cleaned up (i think) and would know the cop was dead, and would explain why he isn't dead yet from night kills. (assuming the dr is dead too). we have no claim of dr (not suprising)
md could claim he investigated johnny, clearing him, even tho he was the GF, and giving up dr dan, which is only 1 of 4 mafia players. which would have left the gf and one other clean from suspicion, including himself, even if they gave up another one tonight. (or put out someone was innocent and kind of lead the town to kill a townie, then it would be 3/3 mafia to town, with the sk still.

anyone not follow that, it sounds good in my head, want to make sure it made it to words.
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"Fully aware" is a big over estimation of my knowledge of the theme material. I know I said I was going to read the book, but I never did. I still don't care so much for the names of players unless they're challenged. I'm more concerned with what abilities players have in the game, because the sooner I can figure some of that out, the less likely I will be to cast a bad vote.

I was going to pull my vote off of you when you came back to clear things up, and try to get the others to speak up, but you seem pretty quick to throw a vote my way, and announce that I was "fully aware" so now I hesitate.

Good idea...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513974 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:26:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513965 Count Zero : I'm reading over everything he's posted. Seems he's always voting for the person who ends up getting lynched. Bandwagoning perhaps. never the first to vote for someone though -- not that I've seen (yet).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513965 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:24:25 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513938 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

Glad to see you responded. damnit I just don't know... Sometimes you just "know" a character is mafia.... I felt that way about Dan and Johnny and was right, but right now I'm not feeling anything funny about anyone.

Thoughts on Rook?
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Gomez - 1 - Rook008
No Lynch - 1 - BigReds42
Rook008 - 1 - Gomez]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513836 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:07:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513766 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

I don't think Dan was meant to be their fall guy originally, but Johnny was close to the chopping block and they decided to sacrifice him since some people already had theirs eyes on him. The GF was far more valuable player than a plain mafia -- my having investigated him on the second night was a lucky break for the mafia as it diverted peoples attention away from Johnny. I was still suspicious of him, but as the GF he came up clean, and having voted to "off" Dan I think he assumed he was safe. Luckily the killer didn't believe him and did what he/she did.

I'm trying to go over voting patterns myself and reconsidering them based on Johnny....

Currently my strongest suspicion is on Rook, due to his vote..

He was fully aware of my early role play, and that I fully researched the role (including a reread) , to the point that he reposted links that I had given out. Additionally, he kept saying he would get around to reading, somewhat implying intent to "get in role", but that never transpired.

Why would he bandwagon on a well established town role?

Vote: Rook
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I'm trying to go over voting patterns myself and reconsidering them based on Johnny....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513671 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:44:19 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513636 Count Zero : That is what I was referring to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513636 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:39:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19513626 Gomez :
said by Count Zero :

Was it Jim who made a point that he had only voted for Dan and one other person?

I need to review the posts, but I have "noted" two votes on Dan. Thus my comfort level.

»Re: [game] Animal Farm

»Re: [game] Animal Farm
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said by BigReds42 :

OK it looks like we are not really getting anywhere.

If I KNEW we were down to only 1 mafia (and the vigilante being pro-town)... I would sacrifice myself just for the sake of getting the game moving (and hoping a investigation would happen and navy wouldn't die.)

Right now... if I go on gut I would have to say Jim or navy. Just for how quiet they have been.

I know I was all over Rook earlier but I think that is from him being all over my ass.

Anyone have anything stronger than that?

Why is there speculation here? From Muz's post when thr GF was killed; " You are well organized and have organized three others to join in your party."

With two dead, two remain. Plus the independent. No lynch seems like high risk.

The tactic of getting in role was to serve a purpose. People could be deemed as on the farm, without revealing actual game roles. The people who don't have a known place on the farm is the highest list of suspicion, followed by people who made their spot known after the sanitized kills. I assume the janitor type role was put there to prevent this sort of play.

Johnny played a good game, since he hounded Dan, and Dan came up dirty, he looked pretty clean having MD helped his case. Him getting killed was a lucky break, very lucky. I want to reread Jim as I had considered him safe as well for voting Dan. Starting to wonder if Dan their fall guy to really blend in..
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said by Rook008 :

Yeah, we didn't have Day kills on days 2 or 3. It just adds to the confusion...no?

Well, did anyone notice who wasn't around those days?
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said by Count Zero :

Hopefully

Have a busy day after coming into the office after a week and a half off, and ya get half way dead :/ My day time availability normally isn't high. Vacation made it so for this game, until today.

About to head home, and will get back on then. For now, I'd recommend looking at the early day 1, pre drama, and note I was in character then, and when in character since, have been consistent since. That was deliberate.

Be back in about an hour.
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I would like to find out why, but I don't see how we could right now. When we find the Killer, his Role PM should tell us, so I'm trying not to let that question distract me too much.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512880 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:48:39 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512843 BigReds42 : I know... sorry I am a pessimist... I just think Gomez may end up coming back with a decent explanation and we wouldn't have much on anyone else.

Hey something I thought of... didn't we not have a day kill on Day 2? whatever day it was? If I was indy I would kill every day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512843 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:42:46 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512824 Rook008 : »Re: [game] Animal Farm ...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512824 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:40:44 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512811 BigReds42 : I hear ya... so then why take the chance of losing 3 townies?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512811 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:39:29 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512791 Rook008 : Don't get me wrong, the Mafia are everybody's problem. But the way we had a kill on Day 1 suggests to me that the Killer is not Pro-Town.
And it seems that in most of these games the Independents are killed by sheer luck or someone's good hunch...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512791 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:37:30 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512752 Count Zero : LOL... well... my guess is our killer had lingering feelings about Johnny and with all of the talk about a GF about he used his powers and got lucky. Honestly I am glad I didn't have that power right now -- I would have smoked an innocent and let a mafia continue to run free....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512752 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:32:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512736 Count Zero : Yeah.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512736 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:30:54 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512732 BigReds42 : Shows how much I know... when we had the Harry Potter game... i blindly used by vigilnteism and got lucky lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512732 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:30:15 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512726 Count Zero : A pro-town killer would. indeed. An independent would be more likely to target the mafia than the town also I would think. At least in targeting the mafia he gets rid of those who might kill him during the night -- the town would have to vote on lynching him and there he'd at least stand a chance at defending himself and offering evidence to lynch another player... that's just this n00bs thoughts on the matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512726 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:42 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512698 Rook008 : I disagree. I think that a Pro-Town Killer would wait until he had a good Mafia target before using his ability. An Independent simply doesn't care...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512698 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:48 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512682 Rook008 : That was the point of putting votes on him, to try and get some sort of comment from him...no?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512682 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:24:05 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512654 BigReds42 : I hate pushing for a no-lynch since I know it is not a well-liked strategy...

but if Gomez comes back with a decent enough explanation... we have nothing really on anybody... so why take the chance of losing two townies (even if it means losing the cop)... we have a distinct advantage right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512654 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:20:07 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512620 BigReds42 :
said by Rook008 :

Also, to be clear, I don't think a Pro-Town Day Killer would kill an experienced player on Day 1. I think it's an Independent Role.

An experienced player who is mafia is the biggest threat...

Not saying that is an absolute... but who knows.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512620 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:15:50 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512589 Count Zero : Do you think Gomez would risk being chummy at all with a person whose role he was uncertain of? He was chummy with Johnny after Johnny was supposedly cleared by my investigation - perhaps as a way to align himself with someone he thought was going to get to sneak past our suspicions for at least a few more turns...? Just throwing that out there. I really want Gomez to offer his explanation. I'm probably reading a bit too much into things when I say "chummy" but the general principle is what I am getting at.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512589 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:11:26 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512588 Rook008 : I think I'm taking a different track than the majority of the players. After the GF's death, I've been looking more at who the Independent could be. It shouldn't be that hard to find the Mafia now that the GF is gone. We can look back and find connections between players.
I think a player who plays only for himself is harder to find, because all he has to do is avoid the limelight. I think that's what is happening now...no?

Also, to be clear, I don't think a Pro-Town Day Killer would kill an experienced player on Day 1. I think it's an Independent Role.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512588 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:11:17 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512511 BigReds42 : I just think Gomez is smarter than that if he was mafia... he wouldn't have been so chummy with Johnny.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512511 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:59:35 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512502 muzscman : Official Vote Count
Gomez - 2 - MD_2_Be, Rook008
No Lynch - 1 - BigReds42

Takes 5 to Lynch.
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said by Rook008 :

Seems like a pretty big advantage to give them...no?

Yeah.. pretty much why I asked... so that could be pointed out.

Yeah ... if they don't know if the doc has been killed... why not take a shot at MD one of the nights to at least find out if there is one... then they could start going after everyone else.

I don't know... that is why I am not very good at this lol.

But a no lynch at least give us the chance of only losing one townie... if we are WRONG about Gomez (or if you are) then we lose two.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512503 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:58:49 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512493 Count Zero : I dunno.. I do know that if Gomez gets on here and gives me a good story I'll remove my vote. I just think he's been playing as a lurker lately, and he and Johnny felt chummy in an indirect kind of way (part of why I didn't suspect him after my report on Johnny came back clean). I'm not saying that Johnny and Gomez were giving each other the old reach around, I'm just saying it makes me suspicious in light of the fact that Johnny was the GF. In all likelihood he is innocent as the good outnumber the bad (it is a safe bet, otherwise we'd already have lost).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512493 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:58:12 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512490 Jim : A huge advantage IMO ...no? :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512490 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:57:38 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512468 Rook008 : Try to kill the Cop?

Kinda OT answer... I don't know how Muz set up the Janitor Role, but like I said before, I know he set up the game to be confusing. If they do know who they killed, but we don't, it would give them pretty good ideas about who to Role Claim as. They could kill someone and basically assume that Role, and not be challenged. Seems like a pretty big advantage to give them...no?
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512468 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:40 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512431 BigReds42 :
said by Rook008 :

The only problem with that is there were 1 or 2 kills where we didn't find out what the player's Role was. If MD goes, we lose the Cop, and one of the people who is actually helping out. Bad for us...no?

Anyway, I will go with MD on this and...

Vote: Gomez

Since he's on the top of my list, I would like to hear from him. I don't like No-Lynches unless we have a confirmed Doc/Cop pair. And I can't be sure of that now.

That IS true.. but... wouldn't you think the mafia would TRY to kill him?

Also... just an OT kinda question... what good is a janitor if the mafia doesn't know the role either (shouldn't they get to find out who they killed?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512431 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:49:01 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512417 Rook008 : The only problem with that is there were 1 or 2 kills where we didn't find out what the player's Role was. If MD goes, we lose the Cop, and one of the people who is actually helping out. Bad for us...no?

Anyway, I will go with MD on this and...

Vote: Gomez

Since he's on the top of my list, I would like to hear from him. I don't like No-Lynches unless we have a confirmed Doc/Cop pair. And I can't be sure of that now.
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Never You Mind - Semisonic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512417 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:46:54 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512410 BigReds42 : Gomez is the best player methinks... maybe him?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512410 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:46:03 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512397 Count Zero : Perhaps. Who do you suggest I investigate?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512397 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:44:23 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512389 BigReds42 : I would rather lose one town than be wrong and lose two.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512389 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:43:24 EDT Re: [game] Animal Farm http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19512388 BigReds42 : Since we know nothing... I am just going to go with there only being 1 bad guy left... can't worry about the bomber.... have to assume they are good until later.

I would rather