DSL Oberst
join:2001-11-29
| reply to lordjim
Re: The movie thieves will scream Net Neutrality
Eh? Those players are the customers? I've never seen it that way; we members of John Q Public are ultimately irrelevant except as cannon fodder on the field of battle. This can best be characterized as a struggle between corporate interests, government law and hegemony, and some few free-wheeling anarchist power groups.
Aside fom all that, most customers of the ISPs are NOT using their broadband for downloads - the main players are corporations using the fat pipes and the average consumer who sends maybe an email or two a day and looks at webpages. Downloading is limited to the narrowly specialized geek population (like what tends to infest the forums here).
AT&T's big issue in it is what they have invested in the media companies. It's rather like what one of my former companies was to Mitsubishi (and by extension, Mitsubishi Bank). Even though the controlling interest of the chain was 4 ladders up, what Mitsubishi wanted my company ended up doing. Look to see who has the big controlling interests in each company and you can follow the money from there. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to lordjim
said by lordjim  :Besides, AT&T was never my broadband provider of choice anyway. I was an original @Home customer for years, until @Home folded and AT&T took over and screwed me out of my 4 mbit/sec symmetric connection, and shoveled 1.5 mbit / 25 kbps in my face instead. Then they had the cojones to raise my rates! And now that SBC took them over... You skipped a takeover, or three. While ATTBI did take over @Home, ATTBI was also a spin-off from AT&T. Ultimately, Comcast took over ATTBI. And all of that happened well before SBC took over AT&T.
I'm even less likely to ever have AT&T/SBC as my ISP. I'd rather move to another area than be dependent upon those bloodsuckers.
Actually, if you have 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' as your provider (they stopped calling themselves SBC in 2006), you have generally have a number of alternatives, including DSL Extreme and Speakeasy. While AT&T owns the copper to the premises, DSL Extreme and Speakeasy have their own ATM networks from the DSLAM to the Internet, so your service would never touch the ATTIS IP network.
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lordjim
Premium
join:2004-03-26
Deerfield, IL
| reply to DSL Oberst
Ah yes ... but you also have to consider that those players are also customers. So it's not so simple: AT&T may control a good chunk of the backbone, but customers control their pocketbooks. That changes things too ... because many of those customers can only justify the cost of broadband as a means to download large files (legit or not.) If AT&T is going to seriously try to prevent that, hopefully the studios will be willing to cough up a share of their profits to make up for all the customers AT&T will lose. If I was still an AT&T Broadband customer they'd lose me for sure. AT&T may actually try playing network cop, but when the screaming starts they will probably quietly drop it. Personally, I don't see what they get out of it ... do the media companies have that much pull in the AT&T boardroom? What are they offering AT&T in exchange for this? Gratitude?
Besides, AT&T was never my broadband provider of choice anyway. I was an original @Home customer for years, until @Home folded and AT&T took over and screwed me out of my 4 mbit/sec symmetric connection, and shoveled 1.5 mbit / 25 kbps in my face instead. Then they had the cojones to raise my rates! And now that SBC took them over, I'm even less likely to ever have AT&T/SBC as my ISP. I'd rather move to another area than be dependent upon those bloodsuckers. |
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DSL Oberst
join:2001-11-29
| reply to Doctor Four
said by Doctor Four :If this cat and mouse game (or arms race if you prefer to call it that) continues, the logical conclusion is that there is going to be a p2p protocol that is so obfuscated/encrypted, etc. that it is going to be cost prohibitive to implement any piracy filter to stop it. Eh, it depends.
The problem with any arms race is who controls the medium the arms race takes place in.
With nuclear weapons back in the Cold War, you had two main players (and assorted allies), but no one person owned the playing field. Therefore, MAD was possible to maintain.
In the field of copyright infringement, regardless of whether you consder it right or wrong, the ability to own the backbone changes things. Playing strategy games are fine, but if you're the guy that owns the playing board and you can flip ALL the pieces off and take the game home...well, that sort of trumps anyone playing the game. If you're one of the players AND you can do that, the game can radically become unfavorable to the opponent. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
| reply to hottboiinnc
Well, you're paying more at the theatre because the movie studios want you to pay more and they can get away with it. They simply use "pirate movies" as an excuse to deflect some of the criticism. I'm not for pirating movies. I do think it is okay to move a copy around from your home computer to your work computer. I think that's fair use. |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :Why should i have to pay more at the theater when going to watch a movie because some stupid ass is stealing it at home and i have to make up for the lost profit that is actually deserved. Wait...you believe movie ticket prices are such because of piracy?
...I think I have a bridge avaliable for sale. You interested? |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to mpelle4456
I don't work for any phone, cable or ISP and i think this will be good. Why should i have to pay more at the theater when going to watch a movie because some stupid ass is stealing it at home and i have to make up for the lost profit that is actually deserved. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to karlmarx
said by karlmarx :What planet are you from where you think this system has a chance in hell of working? Hell, just rar up the files and it won't find anything. The planet of denial.
There hasn't been a single anti-piracy technology that
has yet to be defeated. Even Sandvine has been bypassed.
If this cat and mouse game (or arms race if you prefer
to call it that) continues, the logical conclusion is
that there is going to be a p2p protocol that is so
obfuscated/encrypted, etc. that it is going to be cost
prohibitive to implement any piracy filter to stop it.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to axus
No need for proof when you've got some copyright infringers flat out bragging about their actions. I haven't seen any corporate shills seriously admit to their actions, but I'm willing to bet that's because there aren't any here. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to TKJunkMail
Nah this forum would be boring without a paid representative of the "other side". As long as they don't click on your links, no harm done
It makes the board more fun, when people accuse each other of copyright infringement and shilling, nothing is provable of course. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to mpelle4456
said by mpelle4456 :said by karlmarx :What planet are you from where you think this system has a chance in hell of working? Hell, just rar up the files and it won't find anything. It's simple - he works for Comcast. They PAY him to post these gems of wisdom (that tout the company line). Wrong again. Don't you shills for copyright infringement ever grow weary of accusing anyone whose for honesty as an employee of the ISPs??
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mpelle4456
Say What?
join:2001-07-21
Tacoma, WA
·Advanced Stream
| reply to karlmarx
said by karlmarx :What planet are you from where you think this system has a chance in hell of working? Hell, just rar up the files and it won't find anything. It's simple - he works for Comcast. They PAY him to post these gems of wisdom (that tout the company line). |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to TKJunkMail
Of COURSE they will. It's not the providers RIGHT to monitor what you use the internet for. If you choose to go to www.barely18.com, that's your RIGHT. If I choose to stream data from a remote site to my computer, that's MY right.
What planet are you from where you think this system has a chance in hell of working? Hell, just rar up the files and it won't find anything.
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