DaveNJ
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What bother me, is that the cable industry released CC1(single mode) cards. Then they introduce SDV, making recently purchased items nonfunctional. Could imagine if Sun or Microsoft did something like that ? Yet there is no available Tv's DVRs, or anything that is available to work with SDV. So you are forced to use the Cableco boxes, and yet they claim there is competition in the hardware market.
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| said by DaveNJ  :What bother me, is that the cable industry released CC1(single mode) cards. Then they introduce SDV, making recently purchased items nonfunctional. Could imagine if Sun or Microsoft did something like that ? Yet there is no available Tv's DVRs, or anything that is available to work with SDV. So you are forced to use the Cableco boxes, and yet they claim there is competition in the hardware market. Yeah, but how many cable card tv's/tivo's have a modulator in them to send a 2way signal back to the headend? My understanding is that even with a 2way cc card you still need to modulate the signal back to the headend. |
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fiberguy
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Well? I hate to say this, but this is what happens when the "market" wants to put it's hand into someone else's industry and make a buck. This forces cable operators to stay stagnant in older technology while other providers continue to advance.
The only fools in this epic saga are those consumers that bought into the cable card technology and adopted early. There are very few tivo and cable card TVs in the market to this day. I'm certainly not one that would support holding up millions of consumers for a handful of those that have something about to go by the way of the stone wheel.
People may not like having to have the cable company boxes, but the fact remains, it's THEIR network and you've got to have something that will work with it. Renting boxes has been a success for the fact that if Cable upgrades the system, cable will update the equipment in the home too.
How many docsis 1.0 modems are now door stops? how many 56k modems have been tossed aside? How many 8086 computers are in landfills polluting the environment now? I think the whole notion of forcing an open architecture on cable was a mistake at this time. Satellite has gone to a lease/rental model while cable is forced to go away from it. Verizon and AT&T is allowed to have proprietary equipment, while cable is forced to open up.. something just smells funny.
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DaveNJ
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| said by fiberguy :People may not like having to have the cable company boxes, but the fact remains, it's THEIR network and you've got to have something that will work with it. Renting boxes has been a success for the fact that if Cable upgrades the system, cable will update the equipment in the home too. Verizon and AT&T is allowed to have proprietary equipment, while cable is forced to open up.. something just smells funny. Its THEIR network is so far off, its not even funny. 1996 communications act heard of it ? Second releasing something that cannot be upgraded, shows how much the cable industry loves it customers. Oh Verizon, they dont need switched video, so CC1 sets will continue to work. Verizon will catch up next year. I do agree UVerse should have to comply as well. So if you consider it might be cheaper to go with Verizon then rent a box from cable. Since they release a protocol which they know at once point would be incapable. Gee i used an analog tv for 30 years. Yet the cable industry cant make a simple protocol that will last more the 4.
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MacLeech
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| CableCARDs are 2-way capable. The DCR spec released by the FCC due to the demands of the CEA, who wanted to lower manufacturing costs by not mandating transmitters be included in equipment which are required for 2-way communication, are what really crippled the equipment, not the cable companies.
Current CableCARD cable boxes are 2-way capable because they followed the full CableCARD spec, instead of the crippled DCR spec.
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fiberguy
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I've head of the 1996 communications act - and have read it many times.. have you? 
Please.. tell me where is says that the network isn't theirs.. Last time I checked, in this free market country, they build it, they own it. The system is the property of the provider...
Feeling stupid now?
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DaveNJ
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| said by fiberguy :I've head of the 1996 communications act - and have read it many times.. have you? Please.. tell me where is says that the network isn't theirs.. Last time I checked, in this free market country, they build it, they own it. The system is the property of the provider... Feeling stupid now? No , but from our brief discussion, i learned a few things. Verizon will still be compable with my CC1 equipement. Cable will not. Hmm which one should i choose now ?
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MacLeech
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November 21st, @02:26PM
| said by DaveNJ :Verizon will still be compable with my CC1 equipement. Cable will not. Depends on the CableCARD equipment... to be compatible in the future with Verizon, or most cable, your CableCARD equipment WILL HAVE to be upgraded with a way to talk back to the headend for channel selection. Whether the distribution is through SDV or IPTV the box has to have 2-way capability.
P.S. There is no such thing as a 1-way CableCARD. |
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fiberguy
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You REALLY think that Verizon is going to keep your CC1 equipment in play for ever either? You REALLY think that ANY provider is going to think of a small group and not move forward?
You should chose what works best for you, however, the early adopter, in this case, doesn't get the worm.. they usually get the shaft.
NEVER early adopt in technology as you will usually ALWAYS get shafted.
Good luck! At least you know you can still get equipment to hook up to your television.
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DaveNJ
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| said by fiberguy :You REALLY think that Verizon is going to keep your CC1 equipment in play for ever either? You REALLY think that ANY provider is going to think of a small group and not move forward? You should chose what works best for you, however, the early adopter, in this case, doesn't get the worm.. they usually get the shaft. NEVER early adopt in technology as you will usually ALWAYS get shafted. Good luck! At least you know you can still get equipment to hook up to your television. Considering CC2, has backward capability with v1 yes, and the fact Verizon doesn't need sdv. Yes. Verizon has to do cablecard, it just doesnt have to the integration ban. I would hardly call Cablecard early adoption, its been available since 2001. Face it cable made a mistake, and is dragging that mistake for as long as it can. The OCAP requirement is going to ruin cable, and make for alot of angry customers.
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MacLeech
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| said by DaveNJ :Face it cable made a mistake, and is dragging that mistake for as long as it can. The OCAP requirement is going to ruin cable, and make for alot of angry customers. How did cable make a mistake? and how is OCAP going to ruin cable? |
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