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be very afraid... |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by backness:be afraid... be very afraid... Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed.
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by Matt:Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed. When was the last time cable lowered prices?
I wouldn't mind if cable did make the improvements necessary to catch up with Verizon, even if it meant a price hike. If Verizon can snatch more customers from cable as a result of this service, it will provide a huge incentive for cable to improve things.
The funny part is that earlier in this decade, cable was killing Verizon by deploying broadband to places that could not get DSL.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | I didn't say they WOULD lower prices ... I said they COULD. It's the only thing I can see them doing because even with DOCSIS 3.0 ... they won't be able to match most FiOS offerings.
They could also just not care. I have a BPON fiber connection from a regional ILEC and Time Warner hasn't raised the speeds nor lowered their pricing to compete. |
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1
 ·Vonage
·ViaTalk
| said by Matt:I didn't say they WOULD lower prices ... I said they COULD. It's the only thing I can see them doing because even with DOCSIS 3.0 ... they won't be able to match most FiOS offerings. They could also just not care. I have a BPON fiber connection from a regional ILEC and Time Warner hasn't raised the speeds nor lowered their pricing to compete. But most cable still have a bit a leeway, even with docsis 1, they can do 10/10. With DS3, they can do 100/100. But the market hasnt drawn speeds that high yet. I would be happy if 25/25 were standard its more then i will ever need, and i would rather a low latency network, then to 100/100 high latency
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 Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:2 | reply to Matt
These 15/15 or 20/20 tiers are going to be attractive to 5-10% of the users only....
Everyone else, the casual family using the internet, moms and pops looking at grandkids pictures aren't going to care...
Plus it will get all the "heavy" users off of cable so that it is more enjoyable for the rest of us.... |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to DaveDude
said by DaveDude:said by Matt:I didn't say they WOULD lower prices ... I said they COULD. It's the only thing I can see them doing because even with DOCSIS 3.0 ... they won't be able to match most FiOS offerings. They could also just not care. I have a BPON fiber connection from a regional ILEC and Time Warner hasn't raised the speeds nor lowered their pricing to compete. But most cable still have a bit a leeway, even with docsis 1, they can do 10/10. With DS3, they can do 100/100. But the market hasnt drawn speeds that high yet. I would be happy if 25/25 were standard its more then i will ever need, and i would rather a low latency network, then to 100/100 high latency DOCSIS 1 can't do 10Mbps to an individual cable modem unless they put an individual cable modem on its own node. The maximum the Business Class folks even offer over a cable modem is 2Mbps here. If you want more upstream you have to purchase fiber from them.
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...and a computer only needs 640k memory |
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said by backness:be afraid... be very afraid... Why, this is in the USA, not ontario...Although they should expand to canada instead of europe. |
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 halfbandPremium
join:2002-06-01
Huntsville, AL
 ·Comcast
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said by Matt:DOCSIS 1 can't do 10Mbps to an individual cable modem unless they put an individual cable modem on its own node. The maximum the Business Class folks even offer over a cable modem is 2Mbps here. If you want more upstream you have to purchase fiber from them. Docsis 1 is 10Mbps per channel. There can be multiple channels on a node. The channels are further split by slots, but of course that gets into shared bandwidth.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by halfband:said by Matt:DOCSIS 1 can't do 10Mbps to an individual cable modem unless they put an individual cable modem on its own node. The maximum the Business Class folks even offer over a cable modem is 2Mbps here. If you want more upstream you have to purchase fiber from them. Docsis 1 is 10Mbps per channel. There can be multiple channels on a node. The channels are further split by slots, but of course that gets into shared bandwidth. You are correct, my apologies for using the incorrect terminology.
They still aren't going to allocate an entire channel for one customer ... even with oversubscription it's doubtful.
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 Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA | reply to backness
he said attractive to a small % of people. he didnt say that a higher speed is not needed or unusable. |
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA | reply to Matt
said by Matt:said by backness:be afraid... be very afraid... Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed. The sad part, is that you sound like telco's when DSL was becoming more widespread. "But...but...we have price!" Oh how the times have changed  |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | reply to backness
said by backness:be afraid... be very afraid... of what...? i'm in cox land and i'll never see verizon fios in my area... ever... so i'm not really going to cry over something i never had to begin with... i'd like to see fios offered, but it won't happen... |
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 bcroninPremium
join:2004-03-27
Hyde Park, NY | reply to backness
Irrelevant. Its not available here. Case closed (for now) ... |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
 ·Frontier FiOS
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said by Matt:said by backness:be afraid... be very afraid... Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed. Yeah. Dialup said the same thing. |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by cdru:said by Matt:said by backness:be afraid... be very afraid... Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed. Yeah. Dialup said the same thing. Ok, I'll bite.
Are you kidding me? Cable can compete on downstream speed, the only area they CAN'T compete is upstream speed.
Comparing Cable to dialup is a bit of a stretch. Especially in comparison to a product only a very, VERY, small portion of the country will even have the opportunity to get.
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The strategic point is that VZ can do it, and cable can not within the foreseeable future. This is a marketing ploy to cater to the 5-6% of actual users that will upgrade to the service, hopefully to improve that number to say 15-20%. This symmetrical service is designed to differentiate itself from cable or anything else for that matter....I think it does that. |
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To further your point, most people would be content with 1.5/768. People hear the speeds and want it whether or not they actually need it. Bragging rights at the water cooler kind of thing. Comcast advertisements compare speeds with DSL all the time in my area. Most of my neighbors have switched over to FiOS since it became available recently and maybe 10% of them at best use anywhere that bandwidth. |
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