Re: Cable fan boys.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19478242 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:17:39 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:17:39 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19487200 maximvs64 : To further your point, most people would be content with 1.5/768. People hear the speeds and want it whether or not they actually need it. Bragging rights at the water cooler kind of thing. Comcast advertisements compare speeds with DSL all the time in my area. Most of my neighbors have switched over to FiOS since it became available recently and maybe 10% of them at best use anywhere that bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19487200 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:14:55 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19481679 ashworth : The strategic point is that VZ can do it, and cable can not within the foreseeable future. This is a marketing ploy to cater to the 5-6% of actual users that will upgrade to the service, hopefully to improve that number to say 15-20%. This symmetrical service is designed to differentiate itself from cable or anything else for that matter....I think it does that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19481679 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:13:27 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19481484 Matt :
said by cdru See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

said by backness See Profile :

be afraid...
be very afraid...
Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed.
Yeah. Dialup said the same thing.
Ok, I'll bite.

Are you kidding me? Cable can compete on downstream speed, the only area they CAN'T compete is upstream speed.

Comparing Cable to dialup is a bit of a stretch. Especially in comparison to a product only a very, VERY, small portion of the country will even have the opportunity to get.
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said by Matt See Profile :

said by backness See Profile :

be afraid...
be very afraid...
Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed.
Yeah. Dialup said the same thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19481304 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:12:50 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19481120 bcronin : Irrelevant. Its not available here. Case closed (for now) ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19481120 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:40:36 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19480194 Asmodeus :
said by backness See Profile :

be afraid...
be very afraid...
of what...? i'm in cox land and i'll never see verizon fios in my area... ever... so i'm not really going to cry over something i never had to begin with... i'd like to see fios offered, but it won't happen...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19480194 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:21:02 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19479275 Jonbo298 :
said by Matt See Profile :

said by backness See Profile :

be afraid...
be very afraid...
Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed.
The sad part, is that you sound like telco's when DSL was becoming more widespread. "But...but...we have price!" Oh how the times have changed :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19479275 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:08:34 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478736 Ebolla : he said attractive to a small % of people. he didnt say that a higher speed is not needed or unusable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478736 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:48:07 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478654 Matt :
said by halfband See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

DOCSIS 1 can't do 10Mbps to an individual cable modem unless they put an individual cable modem on its own node. The maximum the Business Class folks even offer over a cable modem is 2Mbps here. If you want more upstream you have to purchase fiber from them.
Docsis 1 is 10Mbps per channel. There can be multiple channels on a node. The channels are further split by slots, but of course that gets into shared bandwidth.
You are correct, my apologies for using the incorrect terminology.

They still aren't going to allocate an entire channel for one customer ... even with oversubscription it's doubtful.
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said by Matt See Profile :

DOCSIS 1 can't do 10Mbps to an individual cable modem unless they put an individual cable modem on its own node. The maximum the Business Class folks even offer over a cable modem is 2Mbps here. If you want more upstream you have to purchase fiber from them.
Docsis 1 is 10Mbps per channel. There can be multiple channels on a node. The channels are further split by slots, but of course that gets into shared bandwidth.
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said by backness See Profile :

be afraid...
be very afraid...
Why, this is in the USA, not ontario...Although they should expand to canada instead of europe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478473 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:13:03 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478337 backness : ...and a computer only needs 640k memory]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478337 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:44:02 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478249 Matt :
said by DaveNJ See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I didn't say they WOULD lower prices ... I said they COULD. It's the only thing I can see them doing because even with DOCSIS 3.0 ... they won't be able to match most FiOS offerings.

They could also just not care. I have a BPON fiber connection from a regional ILEC and Time Warner hasn't raised the speeds nor lowered their pricing to compete.
But most cable still have a bit a leeway, even with docsis 1, they can do 10/10. With DS3, they can do 100/100. But the market hasnt drawn speeds that high yet. I would be happy if 25/25 were standard its more then i will ever need, and i would rather a low latency network, then to 100/100 high latency
DOCSIS 1 can't do 10Mbps to an individual cable modem unless they put an individual cable modem on its own node. The maximum the Business Class folks even offer over a cable modem is 2Mbps here. If you want more upstream you have to purchase fiber from them.
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Pretty Fly for a White Guy™]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478249 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:30:26 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478242 Fubar : These 15/15 or 20/20 tiers are going to be attractive to 5-10% of the users only....

Everyone else, the casual family using the internet, moms and pops looking at grandkids pictures aren't going to care...

Plus it will get all the "heavy" users off of cable so that it is more enjoyable for the rest of us....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478242 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:27:54 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478230 DaveNJ :
said by Matt See Profile :

I didn't say they WOULD lower prices ... I said they COULD. It's the only thing I can see them doing because even with DOCSIS 3.0 ... they won't be able to match most FiOS offerings.

They could also just not care. I have a BPON fiber connection from a regional ILEC and Time Warner hasn't raised the speeds nor lowered their pricing to compete.
But most cable still have a bit a leeway, even with docsis 1, they can do 10/10. With DS3, they can do 100/100. But the market hasnt drawn speeds that high yet. I would be happy if 25/25 were standard its more then i will ever need, and i would rather a low latency network, then to 100/100 high latency
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478230 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:26:06 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478118 Matt : I didn't say they WOULD lower prices ... I said they COULD. It's the only thing I can see them doing because even with DOCSIS 3.0 ... they won't be able to match most FiOS offerings.

They could also just not care. I have a BPON fiber connection from a regional ILEC and Time Warner hasn't raised the speeds nor lowered their pricing to compete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478118 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:05:56 EDT Re: Cable fan boys.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19478100 pnh102 :
said by Matt See Profile :

Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed.
When was the last time cable lowered prices?

I wouldn't mind if cable did make the improvements necessary to catch up with Verizon, even if it meant a price hike. If Verizon can snatch more customers from cable as a result of this service, it will provide a huge incentive for cable to improve things.

The funny part is that earlier in this decade, cable was killing Verizon by deploying broadband to places that could not get DSL.
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said by backness See Profile :

be afraid...
be very afraid...
Not quite yet, cable is still more widely deployed and can always compete on price rather than speed.
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be very afraid...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19477970 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:43:18 EDT