Re: When are they going to realize in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19488537 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:25:21 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:25:21 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529146 DSL Oberst :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

You can't use technology to stop the advance of technology.
Actually, you can. No one realizes it, but all that has to be done to really enforce the copyright law is simple:

1) Nationalize the internet and place it in a subsection of DHS called the Cybernetic National Security department.
2) Make this department responsible for maintaining the infrastructure.
3) Place physical gateway restraints on accessing the Internet in ALL forms outside of the USA.
4) Hire a bunch of people, monitor the shit out of it, and come down with a few helicopter and goon squads on 'violators'.

There are ways to legally do this and have it be constitutional, regardless of who is in charge of the government. The only reason it hasn't been done yet is because trouble outweighs reward. Once that changes, look for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19529146 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:13:40 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19493195 openbox9 :
said by nRecordist See Profile :

You can, but I can't. Because I don't have an iPod.
You don't need an iPod...just iTunes ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19493195 Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:22:00 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19491813 nRecordist : You can, but I can't. Because I don't have an iPod.

The worth of digital data is close to nothing. I understand why people aren't paying for digital data. The idea of someone owning or stealing a bunch of 1s and 0s is so obsolete now, which is why I imagine even people of high moral standard don't even see an issue until they read all of these arguments.
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

The FACT is that no matter WHAT you produce, [...] if it's digital, it WILL BE COPIED.

The solution is to provide a BETTER PRODUCT at an AFFORDABLE PRICE.
Actually, that just isn't true. We can buy music through services like iTunes for a dollar, yet P2Ping and public hosting, such as YouTube, of copyrighted music remains prolific.

What you CAN DO, is provide the CUSTOMER [...] with a product they want, at a price they are willing to pay.
It would seem even a dollar is too much when it's easily available elsewhere for free. It's simple math for anyone.

Hey, If I could get a HD version of Battlestar Galactica BEFORE IT AIRED, for $.99 cents an episode, [...] you would get my money.
You might. But, if the very same thing was just as easily available for free and with impunity....

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I think the internet should always remain open and the burden of protecting copyrighted material should remain with the copyright holder and law enforcement, period. Copyright infringement is a law that has always and will seemingly always be broken. All we can do is keep it in check - like speeding. Most everyone goes a little over the speed limit. But it's few that will do a hundred through town. Law enforcement just needs to catch up and eventually will.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19486865 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:14:36 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19485464 Jigsaw : Look at allofmp3.com.They were selling songs yea The RIAA hated them that they sold em so cheap but they did pay the Roms(and when you went to higher bit rates it was alot more money).But to my point at the time it was the second Best place to get Music next to Itunes and they did make alot of money doing it.What i can't believe is the RIAA don't look at this and go Man we could do the same thing and make a killing.Its all Greed its not for the artist they pay them nothing its just there greed pure and simple.
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

Guess why wally world does so well?
Because they take steps to deter shoplifting?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19485063 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:17:30 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484663 Network Guy :
said by nasadude See Profile :

I bet if they offered consumers a quality product (non-DRM, high bitrate), that was easy to find, pay for and download, this shit might not stop
Downloadable content is still a convenience at best, not the sole next-generation medium.

People are presently willing to purchase and download DRM-infested, low-bitrate crap 'cause they want to. This premise is as simple as supply and demand. Some care about the convenience, some care about the quality. One would shop online for either accordingly.

The RIAA and MPAA are lobbying for anti-piracy laws because they know that right now there's no better way to address the problem other than scaring people to stop doing it. Instead of investing in research for technologies to fend off the piracy, they'd rather slap everyone across with the same pimp hand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484663 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:11:50 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484568 nanoflower : The natural difference being that with electronic media there is often no physical product to be distributed so it becomes much harder to police any theft. I think the success of Itunes has shown that many people (most?) will purchase the product (even if it's only in electronic form) if it's available. So the RIAA and MPAA can garner more sales if they move to something more like Itunes where customers can save money by purchasing it in an electronic form. Especially if the customers aren't forced to pay for product they don't want (as in the customer only wants two songs out of twelve on a particular CD.)

Now whether they will start providing more media in electronic form is up for grabs. I do see more the networks providing more TV shows in electronic form like NBC with their new venture so there is some progress being made. Eventually most content will be made available in electronic form but it's going to take some time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484568 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:27 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484404 openbox9 :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

You can't impose moral values on an immoral culture......If I could get a HD version of Battlestar Galactica BEFORE IT AIRED, for $.99 cents an episode, in a non DRM format, with HD quality, sure, you would get my money.
Once again, given your past comments (and your signature block) I doubt the veracity of your claim.
said by karlmarx See Profile :

media defender and their ilk are the result of the symptoms of what's wrong with copyright laws. Once we get the laws back into sync with society (i.e. 14 YEARS and DONE), you'll see a lot less 'piracy', and a lot more 'advancement of the arts'.
I doubt that very much. I don't believe 'piracy' will change any if the copyright time frame is shortened to a year, let alone 14 years. As long as this world continues as an "immoral culture", we'll continue to have entities like Media Defender....and we'll continue having this same discussion over and over again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484404 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:33:35 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484403 nasadude :
said by Network Guy See Profile :

.... I bet if they went after repeat illegal content distributors, the shit would stop. ...
I bet if they offered consumers a quality product (non-DRM, high bitrate), that was easy to find, pay for and download, this shit might not stop, but they would make so much money they wouldn't care.

the RIAA and MPAA both have obsolete business models they are trying to prop up by buying laws from congress and suing people. It doesn't sound much like their core business is making and distributing songs and movies as it is trying to scare people to buy their DRMed crap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484403 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:32:48 EDT Re: When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484363 Cabal : Aren't ALL business models only viable if the law is obeyed? Like the law that says you have to pay for stuff on the shelves of Wal-Mart. Is the retail business model outdated because ultimately it requires police officers to enforce it? Your argument makes zero sense. Unless you advocate anarchy where all laws are ignored/don't exist?
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Copyright laws exist to protect intellectual property. Dissimenating, replicating, or redistributing it without the author's consent would constitute a violation.

What's making this debate a heated one comes from both ends. The blatant downloaders who refuse to pay for the copyrighted, yet freely-available content, and the content and distribution companies who want straight into the source and play digital cops across the board.

It is a different society we live in, that doesn't imply everyone is immoral and indifferent to the issue.

What the RIAA and MPAA want to enforce is simply addressed on a case-by-case basis. What they don't want to do is invest in the resources required to do so. I bet if they went after repeat illegal content distributors, the shit would stop. It's apparently easier to hand over that job to the network carriers who aren't in the business of playing digital cop to begin with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484343 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:21:19 EDT When are they going to realize http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19484237 karlmarx : You can't hold on to an obsolete business model. As simple as that. The FACT is that no matter WHAT you produce, be it a book, a song, a tv show, or a movie; if it's digital, it WILL BE COPIED.

The solution is to provide a BETTER PRODUCT at an AFFORDABLE PRICE. Guess why wally world does so well? Because they sell stuff CHEAP. And guess what, all the stuff you buy from there comes from china. Why, because that's the kind of society we are.

You can't impose moral values on an immoral culture. You can't use technology to stop the advance of technology. What you CAN DO, is provide the CUSTOMER (that's right, I use customer, not consumer), with a product they want, at a price they are willing to pay. Hey, If I could get a HD version of Battlestar Galactica BEFORE IT AIRED, for $.99 cents an episode, in a non DRM format, with HD quality, sure, you would get my money. Try and sell me a low resolution version of the show after it airs? Why would I give you my money, when I can get an 'almost as good' version from the scene for free.

media defender and their ilk are the result of the symptoms of what's wrong with copyright laws. Once we get the laws back into sync with society (i.e. 14 YEARS and DONE), you'll see a lot less 'piracy', and a lot more 'advancement of the arts'.
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