sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to Deadpool
Re: How "traffic shaping" will negatively impact neuroscience:
Or he's trying to do work from home.
But, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. |
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Dr BG
@bell.ca
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said by Deadpool  :Let's forget he/she us using P2P and look at the facts. What this "Dr" fails to mention is that the University he's a student/staff member of uses one of the fastest backbones in North America. So why is he/she relying on 5 Mbps to transfer 14 GB worth of data to anyone in the world? And the only advantage to P2P over HTTP, HTTPS, FTP or SFTP transfers is if there are a large amount of seeders. In this case, I seriously doubt there are many of them sharing or even needing the 14 GB high-res image. Again, no significant advantage to using P2P over a 5 Mbps connection since his/her max upload is ~80 KBps. And since the University is partnered with Bell Canada in many different areas of research, I'm sure they would have heard some complaints. But something tells me this person is doing something outside the Universities approval/consent. I think you need to be more cautious with such specious accusations, and your neglect of the English possessive form. For answers to the rest of your post, you can re-read mine; it's all there.
I'd feel a lot cooler if I was doing some sort of clandestine neuro research from home, on my basement MEG machine and a residential DSL connection - but the reality is just as I've presented it.
On the other hand, your biases as a 'company man' appear to be well-known on this board, so I don't think I need to go to the trouble of defaming you. Though I'm sure it would be an effortless task. |
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theninjasqua
join:2007-09-26
Oakville, ON
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said by Deadpool :Let's forget he/she us using P2P and look at the facts. What this "Dr" fails to mention is that the University he's a student/staff member of uses one of the fastest backbones in North America. So why is he/she relying on 5 Mbps to transfer 14 GB worth of data to anyone in the world? And the only advantage to P2P over HTTP, HTTPS, FTP or SFTP transfers is if there are a large amount of seeders. In this case, I seriously doubt there are many of them sharing or even needing the 14 GB high-res image. Again, no significant advantage to using P2P over a 5 Mbps connection since his/her max upload is ~80 KBps. And since the University is partnered with Bell Canada in many different areas of research, I'm sure they would have heard some complaints. But something tells me this person is doing something outside the Universities approval/consent. Perhaps he has to work from home, or choses to. I don't think he should be chastised for that. That would be why he doesn't use his schools network. Besides, he may want the files at times when he would not normally be at the university like evenings and weekends. Since he has colleagues all over the world in different time zones, obviously that means it won't sync up with the time he might be at work during the day in order to use their network.
Also, if his colleagues are using their torrents off their university network, then they would most likely have a lot of upload bandwidth to make use of. So a few seeders with that much upload potential could easily provide more then enough to saturate his 5Mb line.
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
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join:2001-03-29
Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
| I'm not saying BT can't/shouldn't be used for the research being done, I'm just saying that in his case, there are better, faster and more reliable alternatives at his disposal.
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | reply to Dr BG
Thanks for the insults, much appreciated.
How about you provide the whole picture in your posts that way we wouldn't have the dozens of posts that speculate as to the reasons why you're using BT as your primary source of information sharing versus the plethora of ressources available to you that are faster and more reliable.
In this case, you have an alternative solution available to you, so to claim that this is actually impacting your research is false.
As for being a "company man", I'm here to help people, which I do on a regular basis. I'd help you too if you'd actually provide some concrete proof that you have a problem. |
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BliZZardX
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Toronto, ON
4 edits | reply to Dr Basil Ganglia
Get some funding for commercial gigabit. That ought to solve your problems! »www.mtotelecom.com/ |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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my only question is why are you sharing a patients picture... without any consent i take it as no patent would want their records shared with billions of users worldwide...
BTW, bell doesn't compare to a SONET connection you may want to look into it... your "hospital" has it. AKA known as Internet2 |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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they offer it for people who need it already as deadpool hit it right on the head... this guy is doing something outside of the box... I've never seen any1 use bell when working with documents that you would require encrytion (patient confidentiality).... Also note as a "doctor" he knows too muc habout his computer skills.. last time i check doctors knew very little about what they used. Sounds more like a troll to me.
BTW, another little piece of info
Toronto has one of the fastest internet networks in teh world how is it your having issues?, last time i checked UOFT doesn't use rogers... at least not res or buisness services its a SONET connection yes theres that word again  . |
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habskilla
join:2005-09-19
Moncton, NB
·Acanac
 ·Vonage
| WOW you people are totally missing what the OP is saying. Or refuse to admit the OP has a gripe.
Yesterday, (day b4 throttling) OP had a viable working solution from home. It worked. It did exactly what the OP needed it to do. Today (day after throttling), it doesn't work. Period end of sentence.
Yes there are a thousand different ways to more data from point A to point B. The OP chose to use P2P. OP was not given any forewarning to work out an alternative. Just bam! We (BS) have decided to block P2P.
P2P usage has not snuck up on any ISP. They saw the trends. Their answer was not to increase their backbone capacity, but to block P2P. The cheap way out.
Now is the OP full of sh*t? Is the OP a troll? I don't know, but I do know that the story he tells could be true.
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bylo
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Waterloo, ON
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | bylo 1) too high resolution
2) any picture would get him in trouble
3) common sense, you can tell the real deal from a mile away.... |
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bylo
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Waterloo, ON
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anonguy
@on.ca | reply to Dr Basil Ganglia
this guy is obviously a fake, if you people can't tell... god help you all |
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EUS
Kill cancer
Premium
join:2002-09-10
Montreal, QC
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·ELECTRONICBOX
1 edit | Who cares, it's a valid point that taking away or crippling a toolset of communication due to a few bad apples is retarded, and a cop out to dealing with a problem that is really no business of the service provider. ISP's should not be cops, period. If ISP's were serious about dealing with bandwidth problems they would disconnect all the users that serve botnets. |
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Dr BG
@bell.ca
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What the guy just above said.
Also:
said by Deadpool :How about you provide the whole picture in your posts that way we wouldn't have the dozens of posts that speculate as to the reasons why you're using BT as your primary source of information sharing versus the plethora of ressources available to you that are faster and more reliable. The picture is clear, it's your eyes that are blurry - if you'll excuse the Zenism.
If you are mis-paraphrasing me again deliberately, then shame on you. I never said that BT is my primary resource. It is my preferred resource under certain conditions which I have nicely spelled-out. Re-re-read if you've just made a simple mistake. BT has proven to be reliable, efficient, and convenient. Until this month, anyway.
said by Deadpool :In this case, you have an alternative solution available to you, so to claim that this is actually impacting your research is false. Well, no. Again, you make thudding and baseless accusations. Is this the sort of dialogue I can expect when talking to a Bell employee? Are you representative? If so, maybe your manager should be made aware of your posts here. They cast a poor light on your firm's hiring practices.
I have, of course, 'alternatives' that constitute a step backwards... if that's what you mean. I've presented all the reasons why imaging researchers have been using torrents, and why (when working from my personal computer) I do as well. Others on this board seem to get it, but you do not - so where do you suppose the weak link is?
said by Deadpool :As for being a "company man", I'm here to help people, which I do on a regular basis. I'd help you too if you'd actually provide some concrete proof that you have a problem. Since the throttling is systematic and non-selective, I can only imagine that you are, in fact, incapable of offering assistance to me. Such a disingenuous offer is not appreciated. Nevertheless, when the current school semester finally ends, I will be talking to the Bell employees who can assist me - the ones in the cancellation department.
I'd urge you to stop posting here if you're only going to distort my remarks and point out holes in my 'story' that simply don't exist.
Bylo is completely correct in his replies to "Angelo_", and I have little to add... Except: when one undergoes testing - especially for cognitive research - one signs waivers and consent forms of all sorts. Depending on the design and intentions of the experiment, one might have to fill out as many as a half-dozen permissions. Qualified researchers can then share that data amongst themselves, their fellows, and all the grad and undergrad students that may be working on the project. Information sharing of this sort is a defining principle of scientific endeavor.
Also on the 'duh' front: all experiments must be approved by a departmental Research and Ethics Governing Committee for any work done on human subjects, tissues, or samples. That's usually presented in a 16-20 page form, preceded by a carefully-designed research proposal of similar length.
I do not conduct clinical research. I'm presently working on fMRI investigations into the cortical instantiations of language in the left inferior frontal gyrus, especially in bilinguals. The founding study of this sort is briefly summarized here.
That's for all those who enjoy TMI.
Thanks! |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON | reply to Dr Basil Ganglia
Not everyone is being throttled, so the system is some-what selective. |
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bylo
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Waterloo, ON
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON | reply to Dr Basil Ganglia
I don't have the details on how they select who is throttled, but I have asked people in my town who push 300-400GB a month and they have not been throttled.
I'm guessing they are leaving smaller centres alone. I live in a city of 40,000. |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | reply to Dr BG
Re: How "traffic shaping" will negatively impact neuroscience:
I and others have suggested alternative solutions to you which would allow you and your research collegues to benefit from faster speeds and/or still be able to perform your research.
I understand that BT is your preferred solution. What I and others are having a problem understanding is why you chose this solution compared to other more efficient and faster solutions, that's all.
The "weak link" is, in this case, BitTorrent. I'd strongly suggest using one of those alternative solutions available to you. |
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