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 C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | reply to bogey780
Re: ? I'd like to have some of whatever you're smoking.
At launch, BluRay was only using MPEG2 encoding, where HD-DVD had most of its movies in VC-1. At that point, the picture quality vote was (almost) always in HD-DVD's favor.
Nowadays, while both have predominantly went to H.264 for the video encoding, some try to play with what the sound codecs are available. To BluRay's advantage, they have the disk space to support uncompressed audio tracks relatively easy. But at the same time, the Dolby TrueHD and other types of codecs available to HD-DVD make it so that they are able to provide more codec types and better non-price extras with their movies (see 300).
And now that BluRay is making BD-Java support required for players, many of the companies outputting bluRay movies have all tried using it in a hackneyed DRM way, which makes many of these movies unplayable on 90% of the BluRay players out there. What few HD-DVD's share the same fate are from the companies that are outputting media to both formats, alluding to that they probably just put out a half-arsed copy-paste job for each format, DRM and all. But even then, less HD-DVD players appear to be having the inability to play these DRM-enabled HD-DVD's than BluRay players with DRM'd BluRay. | |
| 'At launch, BluRay was only using MPEG2 encoding, where HD-DVD had most of its movies in VC-1. At that point, the picture quality vote was (almost) always in HD-DVD's favor.'
True. the tides have turned as now they can't spend so much time hand-tweaking the encode to fit all that data so well in a 30GB VC-1 encode. It's why King Kong rocked and after that... well they were still really good. And now it's just mediocre.
'But at the same time, the Dolby TrueHD and other types of codecs available to HD-DVD make it so that they are able to provide more codec types and better non-price extras with their movies (see 300).'
If they can fit it on the disc. Transformers couldn't get anything above DD+ because of bandwidth. In fact Blu-ray has more lossless tracks than HD DVD because PCM is available, it has the bandwidth for it, and all players support it.
'And now that BluRay is making BD-Java support required for players'
BD-J has always been required. You're referring to the 1.1 profile which requires memory minimums and PiP support. This will NOT AFFECT MOVIE PLAYBACK. It will only affect 1.1 features. What you're hinting at is BD+ which has always been in the spec and required from the start. HD DVD does not support BD+ and no HD DVDs have it. They both however have AACS. Which has not presented any problem with playback on either format. | |
C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | No... BD-Java was not required up until this month in players.
And almost immediately, BluRay content makers all went and used it for one thing - DRM.
HD-DVD uses HDi for the interactive menus and stuff, and has been available from the start. Why else do you think that 300 has so many more extras on the HD-DVD release, that Warner has only said that they will have to re-release the movie on BluRay again after BD-Java was made required in the next version/revision of the "standard" ?
Doesn't seem very standard if they have to keep re-iterating on it this way. But then again, I don't expect Sony to understand the meaning of an industry standard - usually implies something that does not change on a whim, which they are prone to do. They can't even decide on a single version of their own Memory stick "standard". Why would I expect them to agree on how their own BluRay media is supposed to work? | |
| 'No... BD-Java was not required up until this month in players.'
No, it was required from start. Otherwise Java based titles such as Pirates would not be able to play in the 1st Samsung player. Again, you're confusing 1.1 with Java.
'And almost immediately, BluRay content makers all went and used it for one thing - DRM'
Just stop. You're getting everything wrong. Java is not used for DRM. You're thinking of BD+. Please, I've corrected you. Please research your assumptions before restating them.
'Why else do you think that 300 has so many more extras on the HD-DVD release, that Warner has only said that they will have to re-release the movie on BluRay again after BD-Java was made required in the next version/revision of the "standard"?'
Stop it. you're getting it all wrong. HDi is not the reason for the extras. The reason is the PiP. 1.1 is the PiP profile and has nothing to do with Java. that's the reason why they'll double dip on the title. All the "extras" had nothing to do with Java.
'But then again, I don't expect Sony to understand the meaning of an industry standard - usually implies something that does not change on a whim'
Toshiba just changed and added to the HD DVD standard. Comment?
Like I said, you're getting the most basic of info wrong. | |
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