dadkins
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Re: Sandvine's MSO Case Study-Reasonable Network Management?
Don't trip!
I rarely use it anyways.
Use it mainly as a search tool for obscure items and maybe the odd "Research Video".
I am a member at several sites that have things available for direct download.
BT is a novelty for me any more...
Thanks Robb! 
Give 'Em Hell!
David
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said by dadkins  :Well, mine must be broken then. I have throttled it to 0 and the download has continued. I'll have to check that out.
It's a BitTorrent transfer, which Shareaza handles differently (a percentage of your limits).
said by dadkins :Plus, if no one is requesting parts of the file... who would it be uploaded to? That's true. And if you're seeding on Comcast, it doesn't matter anyway.
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NormanS
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Assuming that the Comcast Terms of Use are, in fact, out of date, why have they not been updated?
When I checked the SBC AUP/TOS back when I undertook to run a hobby MTA for strictly personal use, the verbiage was so close to the same as the Comcast Terms of Use that one would think that they were crafted from the same template. By the time that SBC was on the edge of re-branding, after buying AT&T, they had removed the "no server" verbiage from their AUP/TOS. The only server prohibition in the current AUP/TOS applies to running open SMTP relays (prohibited), and running servers from the dial-up service (prohibited).
Has Comcast become so large that they have become like the original AT&T ("Ma Bell"), who inspired Lily Tomlin's Saturday Night Live Ernestine skit: "We don't care. We don't have to care...{snort, snort}. We're the phone cable company"?
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dadkins
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Well, mine must be broken then.
I have throttled it to 0 and the download has continued.
Plus, if no one is requesting parts of the file... who would it be uploaded to?
Can't call it! 
No worries!
Doesn't matter to me anymore anyways, I have moved on to better ways to get my "items". DDL.
EDIT: Typo
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FWIW,
BitTorrent and eDonkey enforce the sharing of the current file in the client
BitTorrent and eDonkey peers reward sharers with faster performance
Most DC++ servers and BitTorrent trackers have various schemes that enforce sharing
The Gnutella network does not enforce sharing.
said by dadkins :*SOME* can throttle upload to 0%. Shareaza can - all protocols, all networks. Well, to be fair to Norman as well as the Shareaza team, that setting that you showed also throttles downloads by the same amount. At 0%, you're not doing anything. 
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said by NormanS :I find it distinctly odd that they claim to permit P2P, and prohibit running a mail server; yet a personal mail server, run for the sole benefit of the household members of a Premises LAN will put far less stress on their network than any P2P application. You're a fair guy. So here's an experiment for you to do, someday. Assume that Comcast's:
- intended to prohibit customers from running a business or NPO from their service (ComcastBusiness did not exist)
- intended to prohibit running personal or hobby public web site, public FTP site (or similar) or a BBS using their service.
- did not intend to prohibit personal, private use of any server software
- wrote the TOS before P2P became all the rage
With those assumptions in mind, pretend that you're a lawyer reviewing the TOS for another associate. Does the TOS make sense to you in this context?
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said by NormanS :That is certainly at odds with the way their "Terms of Use" is worded. Like I have pointed out before, Comcast's TOS prohibits using my connection as an end-point on a WAN. In other words, connecting to the Internet (a WAN) violates the TOS.
So ... whatever.
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dadkins
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I have seen a few people that want to call everything a server, might as well take it all the way, ya know?  
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jig
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interesting construction. Comcast's TOS outlaw customers (servers). |
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dadkins
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said by dadkins :Bad, Bad, David!!!  LOL! I always knew you were BAD!! |
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NormanS
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I certainly don't disagree with you. I just the Comcast Terms of Use is rather Draconian WRT servers. Fortunately, I don't operate under such onerous terms. I am not under any kind of prohibition of running a server.
Now my ISP, OTOH, is looking into ways of blocking pirated material. I don't know if they can succeed; but, considering that they are looking at it from the POV of "pirated" content, I am pretty sure that Sandvine is not the solution that they seek. (Unless Sandvine can discriminate based on file content.)
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dadkins
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Upload throttle |
said by NormanS :No. P2P can't be configured to "download only". Well, after checking on the BitTorrent protocol, anyway, I can assert that BT can't be configured to "download only". I can block BT from acting as a server, but I can't block BT from uploading. *SOME* can throttle upload to 0%.
Shareaza can - all protocols, all networks.
Defeats the purpose of "sharing" though.
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dadkins
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said by NormanS :That is certainly at odds with the way their "Terms of Use" is worded. Who? Me?
Hell, *I* am a server!
If you request a file from me, I have no problem sending it to you.
FTP? No prob!
Yousendit? Easy.
Email? Sure!
Mediafire? Yeah, we can do that too!
So, *I* am against the TOS/AUP? 
Pretty sure most people on any ISP can and will send a friend a file if it is requested.
I sent a couple via email already today!
*NOTE* Sending ANYTHING from this computer to a server(file server/email server/media host) is going to use some of my Paid For upstream and is not being pushed off on to any ISP as an incurred cost.
I pay my bill in advance! Pretty sure everyone on Comcast does.
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NormanS
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No. P2P can't be configured to "download only". Well, after checking on the BitTorrent protocol, anyway, I can assert that BT can't be configured to "download only". I can block BT from acting as a server, but I can't block BT from uploading.
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NormanS
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You can't use P2P without making network content available to anybody outside of the Premises LAN. The very nature of P2P is to "share" the files; you upload, as well as download.
I have quibbled over the "server" nature of P2P. I have read, and re-read the Comcast Terms of Use.
The only thing that I am certain of, is that Comcast has no clear ideas of what they want to permit, or prohibit. Or even why they should permit, or prohibit.
I find it distinctly odd that they claim to permit P2P, and prohibit running a mail server; yet a personal mail server, run for the sole benefit of the household members of a Premises LAN will put far less stress on their network than any P2P application.
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NormanS
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That is certainly at odds with the way their "Terms of Use" is worded. |
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dadkins
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said by telcolackey :Fair to content providers? You bet. Broadband users offering filesharing for them removes their BW costs and pushes it to broadband ISPs. Fair to users? Yes. We get cheaper (or free) content because the Content providers cost is less. Fair to ISPs? Who cares. They are greedy, money grubbing slime. Fair to the ISP? Huh? I pay my monthly bill.
What exactly am I paying Comcast for?
The connection is paid for whether I use it or not, right?
Me? Use a small, insignificant, part of what I am paying for? 
Bad, Bad, David!!!
LOL!
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telcolackey
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Fair to content providers? You bet. Broadband users offering filesharing for them removes their BW costs and pushes it to broadband ISPs.
Fair to users? Yes. We get cheaper (or free) content because the Content providers cost is less.
Fair to ISPs? Who cares. They are greedy, money grubbing slime. |
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dadkins
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said by telcolackey :said by funchords :According to ANYBODY ASKED AT COMCAST, using P2P on their network is NOT PROHIBITED. "Using" is a key word in this. Using the web is different than serving web content. Downloading songs from ITUNES is different than serving mp3's to the Internet. Using p2p to download a linux distro is different than serving a linux distro to the entire world. NOTE: These comments/opinions are my own and not an attempt to state anyone's policy. Uhm... when was the last time *ANYONE* uploaded the entire file of anything to "the entire world"?
When using a P2P app like BT, a ratio of 1:1 is fair.
That means, if *I* download 700MB, that I should upload 700MB back into the swarm.
Odds are very low that all 700MB of that file will be going to a single peer, right?
Me having any file available to millions of other people does NOT mean that I will be uploading that WHOLE file to millions of people.
My upload bandwidth is severely restricted.
For me to upload... 700MB to 100? people would take a couple of days of constant, full speed upload, killing off any possibility of me using my connection for anything else.
That would also push me into God Status in the Ratio dept.!
Even if Sandvine was non-existent, aint happening!
I have had several files available for ANYONE on the planet to get from me for years.
Care to guess how many people have even requested a part of one of these files?
In all honesty, I haven't even uploaded enough parts of many of these files to be combined into a whole item.
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