Re: bah in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19496494 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:23:58 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:23:58 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19511087 PolarBear : Did you go to the link that I included? There is no reason to pay that much for a satellite receiver. $1500 wasted is just that: wasted.

Edit: I see the link I included didn't work... he he he... HERE IT IS... stupid HTML code...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19511087 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:29:48 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19510150 thevorpal : is a big cost? Wow, how the hell did you afford the CAR?!?

Aside from your smartass remark, I'd like to point out that you can buy an entire vehicle for the cost of the two satellite receivers.

$1500 wasted is nothing to sniff at.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19510150 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:44:56 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19510113 thevorpal : And...people that by BMW's don't buy Honda's.

Care to explain that statement? I'm looking into purchasing a BMW and a CRV this Spring.

Well, either a CRV or an F-150. But I'm sure the pickup truck doesn't fit into your comparison either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19510113 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:37:29 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19509922 DotMac : I had a 98RL and then made the mistake of leaving for BMW but came back for the 04 TL + later a Comptech supercharger so I haven't yet had a taste of SH-AWD. But I only have a couple of payments to go on the TL so a return to the RL may be in my future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19509922 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:48:28 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19509183 BosstonesOwn : Well I hate XM too , but I love the AWD :) Honda makes some damn fine cars. Especially compared to the new BMW's and Jaguars whose quality has really fell as of late.
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said by BosstonesOwn See Profile :

I bought a new Honda it's locked in with XM no converter yet. I have a 3 year free sub to XM , it sucks. I installed sirius at a big cost. Most customers are like me and don't want to be tied to one manufacturer. But wait this is bad for us customers. I mean really when the xm module on my honda is $1200 and the sirius one for a car of the same size and cost is $250.
THIS (NOW FUNCTIONING LINK) is a big cost? Wow, how the hell did you afford the CAR?!?

Edit: Fixed stupid link so my post makes sense :D That was my blond moment for the week.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19508891 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:43:48 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19508854 PolarBear : Actually the typical one hour TV show is about 44 minutes long (download an ep off the internet, commercial-free, and they are about 44 mins, depending on the show), leaving 16 minutes of commercials. So that is much MORE than TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19508854 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:36:29 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19506320 DotMac :
said by kfsutops See Profile :

Funny. I don't feel like I have been made fool of. Especially from a guy that has to use a North versus South argument.

And...people that by BMW's don't buy Honda's.
I had a BMW before I bought my Acura. The BMW was overpriced and it's fit and finish sucked ass but bought it shopping with my d!ck. I'm much happier with my Acura. The only 2 things I don't like about it are FWD and XM.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19506320 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:24:52 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19500726 BosstonesOwn : Depends. I bought the BMW having driven only a 525 from 2001 figured they would be the same. Until I drove it and figured I didn't like it , so I gave it to my wife.

I bought a Honda CRV because I drive 40 miles each way to work and I am a vital employee, so I must be there even in blizzard conditions. I needed all wheel drive and decent gas mileage. Gas here is hitting 3.15 a gallon and a BMW that gets 18 if it's lucky is much better suited to my wife's short drives.

Plus I find the people who both sell and drive them tend to be stuck up ass holes who think they are gods for owning a BMW. Needless to say I am still looking for a dealership willing to take that thing off my hands in favor of a Acura MDX or Mercedes M class. I will miss the I drive but it's a small loss to get away from such a car.
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And...people that by BMW's don't buy Honda's.
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And yes it was a 2008 5X series.

Don't get so high and mighty about a car because it is a BMW. Because you don't know what else we drive :)

BTW don't feel to bad for being made a fool of. But That is what different from a heavy populated place like metro Boston compared to Florida. Here you don't get stuff taken out or even the programming removed. Because some one is right behind you ready to plunk down more for the same car.

Unlike Tampa Metro where people actually have a choice in what they buy and get in a car.
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said by BosstonesOwn See Profile :

You must not have ever bought a new car. You can only sit down and look at what you want if they can't find one like it they don't just pull what you don't want out. They try and find one like it or you order one.
Actually, yes. Several over the years to be exact.

I guess this explains the difference between a Honda and a BMW.
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said by DotMac See Profile :

Ads are fine but some stations run 20 minutes of commercials an hour and to me that is excessive.
That's actually less than TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19497191 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:53:49 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496561 DotMac : Ads are fine but some stations run 20 minutes of commercials an hour and to me that is excessive. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496561 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:28:20 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496494 BF69 :
said by kfsutops See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

You do realize if there isn't a merger within a few years one if not both will be out of business anyways. Then what will happen to prices?
So what? Prices will be an non-issue then. If they can't survive in the market they chose, then their business models were flawed from the beginning.
My point was if one did happen to survive then the so called price protection of "competition" would be gone anyways. This is one of the few circumstances where a monopoly would not necessarily mean higher prices.

A merged company would still have to abide by the market. If they price their radios and subscription fees to high then people would look for other sources for radio because they do exist.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496494 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:09:15 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496479 BF69 :
said by DotMac See Profile :

I was going to list it but figured someone would post that HD-Radio is still OTA radio ;)

I like HD-Radio in terms of quality, but unfortunately it still suffers from all the commercials and idiot program directors that have totally trashed Los Angeles radio.
No such thing as a free lunch. Don't like commericials go pay service. Want free radio put up with ads. Just the way it is. Radio, TV, internet with very few exceptions no one is trying to entertain you just to be nice. It's about making money. Always has been always will be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496479 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:05:51 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496408 bleearg13 :
said by kfsutops See Profile :

Personally, I don't care about the RIAA and what they get paid. Why should satellite radio be any different than satellite TV. They wouldn't let the satellite TV companies merge, so why should this be any different. With DirectTV and Dish you are required to by separate equipment. What's the difference?
The difference between the two cases may not be clear initially, but there are differences. One issue, from what I understand in the DirecTV/Echostar deal, had to do with price discrimination. With satellite TV, they beam into local markets, competing directly with cable. This presents different pricing structures for satellite TV, depending upon the market into which they are broadcasting. If cable has deep market penetration, rates could be lowered; if cable his weak market penetration, rates could be increased. With satrad, this issue of localization is non-existent. Satellite radio competes the same way in Chicago as it does anywhere else in the country, against several radio stations, iPods, CD players, tape decks, and cellphones.

There are other minor differences, mostly focusing around the type of competition in the market. With DirecTV and Echostar, the competing product itself was defined as "television services". With satrad, the product is defined as "mobile entertainment", which consists of everything I mentioned above. If the two satellite radio companies were mainly competing against *other* satellite radio companies, then there would be major cause for concern that this newly merged company would create an unfair advantage. If satrad's only competition was terrestrial radio, then there *could* be a case against the merger. But again - they don't compete only with radio, but other forms of entertainment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496408 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:45:35 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496376 BosstonesOwn : You must not have ever bought a new car. You can only sit down and look at what you want if they can't find one like it they don't just pull what you don't want out. They try and find one like it or you order one.

And I wasn't waiting 3 months for a new CRV from japan just over a satellite tuner , when my other car was totalled.

Oh yeah and the same equipment will work for quite some time. They would have to purchase all new equipment for the subs. And it's called planned obsolescence lots of companies do it. You want the newer features you buy the newer gear you don't then you don't get them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496376 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:38:13 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496312 bleearg13 : I will gladly pay $12.95 to get only 5 channels out of the 100+ on my Sirius radio. In fact, I would probably pay even more money just to not have to suffer through the garbage that terrestrial radio plays, should satellite radio tank, as an industry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496312 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:22:50 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19496264 kfsutops :
said by BosstonesOwn See Profile :

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I bought a new Honda it's locked in with XM no converter yet. I have a 3 year free sub to XM , it sucks. I installed sirius at a big cost. Most customers are like me and don't want to be tied to one manufacturer. But wait this is bad for us customers. I mean really when the xm module on my honda is $1200 and the sirius one for a car of the same size and cost is $250.

Yeah this is bad for consumers geez what was I thinking.
How are you locked in when buying a Honda? You just tell them you don't want it installed. If they want to sell the car, they would take it out. You aren't locked in to shiat.

Personally, I don't care about the RIAA and what they get paid. Why should satellite radio be any different than satellite TV. They wouldn't let the satellite TV companies merge, so why should this be any different. With DirectTV and Dish you are required to by separate equipment. What's the difference?

Just because they throw the argument "one of us will be out of business" shouldn't be the only reason to allow these companies to merge. They have already issued what the price structure would be. Guess what? It's already basically a price increase. You are paying less for lesser content, but if you want the supposed benefits (dual programming) it's going to cost you a lot more. Oh yeah, and don't forget the stuff you just put in your honda won't work either. So you are going to have to pay more for equipment again.
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said by kfsutops See Profile :

said by ztmike See Profile :

Sadly i see them merging sooner or later, when that happens you can probably hear more ads and more cost of service, not to mention probably prices of radios will up go.
Oh but no...everyone says that this is good. It will lower prices.

Bullshit. I agree. It is going to raise rates considerably. I hadn't even thought of the commercial free aspect until you mentioned it.

I hate this even more now.

But unfortunately, it will go through. I can't wait to hear all the crying idiots when they start raising prices after six months.
Hey tool , costs always go up. So does your pay , to think they can keep the prices the same for the next 20 years is both idiotic and down right deficient of you.

First the RIAA is getting paid hand over fist by the sat rad providers. And they are still making a profit. It is only a matter of time before they want more and the sat providers have to raise rates.

With that being said most people against the merger don't have common sense. Right now the RIAA is collecting double regular radio on both providers. Now we shut down one company and we get a major cut in costs. We don't keep all the channels and we merge the content down to get the content on both sets of radios , they still own the birds and the bands. So they can max out both as well as thier local repeater network and provide the customers who actually pay for the service a better bang for your buck.

I bought a new Honda it's locked in with XM no converter yet. I have a 3 year free sub to XM , it sucks. I installed sirius at a big cost. Most customers are like me and don't want to be tied to one manufacturer. But wait this is bad for us customers. I mean really when the xm module on my honda is $1200 and the sirius one for a car of the same size and cost is $250.

Yeah this is bad for consumers geez what was I thinking.
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said by BF69 See Profile :

You do realize if there isn't a merger within a few years one if not both will be out of business anyways. Then what will happen to prices?
So what? Prices will be an non-issue then. If they can't survive in the market they chose, then their business models were flawed from the beginning.
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I like HD-Radio in terms of quality, but unfortunately it still suffers from all the commercials and idiot program directors that have totally trashed Los Angeles radio.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495998 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:09:11 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495994 dualsub2006 : I subscribe to both primarily for the commercial free music. If the commercial free music goes, so do I. I am not alone.

Sirius and XM both have difficulty getting people to sign up at $12.95 a month. What makes you think that a merged company would suddenly be able to raise rates? This is strictly a luxury item for people. Nothing like cable or satellite TV. People can and will return to FM radio, iPods or Zunes. Satellite radio is in a tenuous position at best. Higher rates would not make up for the loss in revenue from people that would rather cancel than pay more.

If they split off sports into a pay tier that MIGHT be one way, but even then they lose. There are those that subscribe to one or the other and they are at the maximum that they are willing to pay. Taking away programming that is provided today for an all in one price for a premium tier will lead to fewer subscribers. Not more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495994 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:08:28 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495965 BF69 :
said by DotMac See Profile :

Satellite would still have to compete with not only OTA radio, but all the other sources of mobile entertainment (eg iPods).
Don't forget HD radio which gives you the same sound quality as satelite except it's FREE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495965 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:04:37 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495842 UofMiamiGrad :
said by DotMac See Profile :

The fact that the NAtB is fighting this tooth and nail tells me the opposite would be the case. XM and Sirius could save a bundle combining resources and not having to advertise against each other. Satellite would still have to compete with not only OTA radio, but all the other sources of mobile entertainment (eg iPods).
I agree, the more NAB fights the merger, the more the merger makes sense. The NAB doesn't want competition that a combined XM/Sirius company would give them & they know it. This is just the latest crap the NAB is pulling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495842 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:39:50 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495802 DotMac : Which begs the question...why would the NAtB not want the merger. If what you say is true, a merger would result in higher prices which would be good for the terrestrial broadcasters.

The fact that the NAtB is fighting this tooth and nail tells me the opposite would be the case. XM and Sirius could save a bundle combining resources and not having to advertise against each other. Satellite would still have to compete with not only OTA radio, but all the other sources of mobile entertainment (eg iPods).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495802 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:29:05 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495788 DotMac : Or both going out of business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495788 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:26:23 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495784 BF69 :
said by kfsutops See Profile :

said by ztmike See Profile :

Sadly i see them merging sooner or later, when that happens you can probably hear more ads and more cost of service, not to mention probably prices of radios will up go.
Oh but no...everyone says that this is good. It will lower prices.

Bullshit. I agree. It is going to raise rates considerably. I hadn't even thought of the commercial free aspect until you mentioned it.

I hate this even more now.

But unfortunately, it will go through. I can't wait to hear all the crying idiots when they start raising prices after six months.
You do realize if there isn't a merger within a few years one if not both will be out of business anyways. Then what will happen to prices?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495784 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:25:34 EDT Re: bah http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19495748 hobgoblin :
said by ztmike See Profile :

Sadly i see them merging sooner or later, when that happens you can probably hear more ads and more cost of service, not to mention probably prices of radios will up go.
As opposed to one of them going out of business.

Hob
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said by ztmike See Profile :

Sadly i see them merging sooner or later, when that happens you can probably hear more ads and more cost of service, not to mention probably prices of radios will up go.
Oh but no...everyone says that this is good. It will lower prices.

Bullshit. I agree. It is going to raise rates considerably. I hadn't even thought of the commercial free aspect until you mentioned it.

I hate this even more now.

But unfortunately, it will go through. I can't wait to hear all the crying idiots when they start raising prices after six months.
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