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Stepford, CA | I Call Bullshit and Then Some While the MPAA says that no information is transmitted directly to them and therefore the toolkit's use shouldn’t arouse security concerns, an investigation by Security Fix revealed that there was a privacy risk for some schools using this software.
Regardless, this law is a giant, steaming pile. Why are the U.S.'s illustrious federal lawmakers going balls to the wall to all but kill a technology? Doesn't the country have more pressing issues before worrying about making college networks copyright cops? 
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1 edit | said by major marco:Regardless, this law is a giant, steaming pile. Why are the U.S.'s illustrious federal lawmakers going balls to the wall to all but kill a technology? Doesn't the country have more pressing issues before worrying about making college networks copyright cops? How about because Intellectual Property is the future of the US economy and to allow it to be open to stealing by anyone will do irreparable harm to the US. The world economy is switching from an economy based on physical goods to one based on intellectual property. According to Alan Greenspan, 47% of world GDP is now intellectual property. To just give it away without a fight is economic suicide. And P2P was designed from the beginning as a tool to facilitate copyright infringement and the theft of intellectual property because of its decentralized distribution model.
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Bethel Park, PA | said by fAcEtIOUs:...to allow it to be open to stealing by anyone will do irreparable harm to the US. ..you have GOT to be kidding me.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by major marco:Regardless, this law is a giant, steaming pile. Why are the U.S.'s illustrious federal lawmakers going balls to the wall to all but kill a technology? Doesn't the country have more pressing issues before worrying about making college networks copyright cops? How about because Intellectual Property is the future of the US economy and to allow it to be open to stealing by anyone will do irreparable harm to the US. The world economy is switching from an economy based on physical goods to one based on intellectual property. According to Alan Greenspan, 47% of world GDP is now intellectual property. To just give it away without a fight is economic suicide. And P2P was designed from the beginning as a tool to facilitate copyright infringement and the theft of intellectual property because of its decentralized distribution model. I think that %47 is a bit inflated. There is no way that half of the world's economy is IP material. Absolutely no way.
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Gee, if the world is an 'information' society, AND, we make up only 5% of the world, then logically, it's in our best interest to steal everyone elses IP.
And according to Greenspan, 47% of the world is IP, and the US % of the worlds GDP is only 27%, then the TOTAL US contribution would be about 15% of the IP. Hmm..
So, by YOUR calculations, it's in OUR BEST INTEREST to ENCOURAGE P2P, because if you are right, we get a 5-1 IMPROVEMENT by copying everyone else's stuff! That's the only logical outcome.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:How about because Intellectual Property is[...] Anyone interested can do some informed reading as to how overly broad the current copyright laws are and how every day, the average person infringes literally hundreds of copyrights per day. |
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Re: I Call Bullshit and Then Some The fact that intellectual property is the future is the very reason the United States economy is sinking. I TRIPLE DARE YOU to link me to the usual bullshit Bernanke, US gov news articles about how the US economy is doing fine. The refutation ownage will not be pretty. The bottom line comes from wall street which is an unbiased entity in terms of evaluating the health of the economy. That little side trail was so that you don't try to derail the discussion with shift information on how well the economy is doing. Onto the meat of the matter:
The fact of the matter is US IP law is a joke, a big friggin joke. It is just a form of welfare for the children of big names to live lavishly off their parents work instead of being a useful member to society. If you support this sort of enslavement then you are either a) a direct beneficiary of this system or b) you are a fool. No you are not a beneficiary if you think IP having a good impact on the GDP makes you a beneficiary. Guess what we need EXPORTS. I know this will probably fly right by your neocon way of thinking, but true conservatism attempts a favorable balance of trade. Guess what conservatism was actually enlightenment liberalism in disguise. Now we've gone full circle and conservatism is preenlightenment conservatism again. Bottom line: China and Russia, two major world players, don't give a rats ass about US IP law and never will. Another realization for you: the formerly imperialized country that we pillaged for natural resources no longer have an economy to build in order to buy our overpriced intellectual property. So much for highway robbery in Zimbabwe. HCT I do not have anything against you as a person. On the contrary I believe that all those once met in person are really just normal folks that you'd get along with, BUT I strongly disagree with your flawed lets bend over way of thinking. You are so enthraled in the lets hate on hippies mantra that you blind yourself to the truth.
I can believe that IP is 47% of GDP, but only because America remains the number one technology innovater. The only entities that obey IP law are governments. Why? Because governments can be fought. Trying to fight pirates is simply an unnwinnable assymetric war that only gets harder with time. It is only winnable in a totalitarian regime, which is in itself contradictory to capitalism. So would you like to cut your nose off to smite your face. Or will you live without IP law and let the economy thrive. |
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Of course I am. They gave me the FACTS. I just restated those facts in a manner he doesn't like. BUT, if the 'facts' are correct, then I'm 100% correct. I personally disagree about how important IP is to the economy, but, if GREENSPAN says it's true, it must be. And if the WORLD BANK is correct, then the US only contributes about 1/4th of the GDP of the world. I can't see a hole in my logic.
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said by hopeflicker:I think that %47 is a bit inflated. »motherjones.com/news/exhibit/200···rty.html
U.S. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY is valued at $5.5 trillion, equal to 47% of our GDP and greater than the GDP of any other nation but China. And I have seen this quoted elsewhere.
»www.federalreserve.gov/BoardDocs···ault.htm
Over the past half-century, the increase in the value of raw materials has accounted for only a fraction of the overall growth of U.S. gross domestic product (GDP). The rest of that growth reflects the embodiment of ideas in products and services that consumers value. This shift of emphasis from physical materials to ideas as the core of value creation appears to have accelerated in recent decades. --
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kudos:1 | You originally quoted this "According to Alan Greenspan, 47% of world GDP is now intellectual property"
then Your motherjones link quoted this "U.S. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY is valued at $5.5 trillion, equal to 47% of our GDP and greater than the GDP of any other nation but China"
Your Motherjones seems more accurate.
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3 edits | said by hopeflicker:You originally quoted this "According to Alan Greenspan, 47% of world GDP is now intellectual property" then Your motherjones link quoted this "U.S. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY is valued at $5.5 trillion, equal to 47% of our GDP and greater than the GDP of any other nation but China" Your Motherjones seems more accurate. Alan Greenspan's book isn't online(those IP & copyright laws  ), so I used another source for the number. My recollection of WORLD GDP was from a footnote in the book and I may have remembered it wrong. It may have been US and not world. But I remembered the 47% correctly anyway. 
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said by fAcEtIOUs: The world economy is switching from an economy based on physical goods to one based on intellectual property. According to Alan Greenspan, 47% of world GDP is now intellectual property. To just give it away without a fight is economic suicide. It seems to me the smarter countries would be moving towards self sufficiency(ie manufacturing) and let the also rans base their future on pushing paper.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:According to Alan Greenspan, 47% of world GDP is now intellectual property. To just give it away without a fight is economic suicide. And P2P was designed from the beginning as a tool to facilitate copyright infringement and the theft of intellectual property because of its decentralized distribution model. According to George Strisal, 1% of the world GDP is now intellectual property. He also mentioned that 13% of the 86% of the people that listen to Alan Greenspan are not aware that about 23% of what he said about the 47% GDP was 46% incorrect during the first 87% of the research he did.  |
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He forgot to mention terrorism and child porn. He loses 10 Demogoguery Points. Must be the tryptophan hangover. |
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The fed reserve usually loves to fudge with numbers because their main job is to promote stability. Rather I should say they love to fudge the interpretation of numbers in a very conservative way. Oh and Alan Greenspan is responsible for the recession we are about to hit. I don't consider him to be to credible these days. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:How about because Intellectual Property is the future of the US economy and to allow it to be open to stealing by anyone will do irreparable harm to the US. The world economy is switching from an economy based on physical goods to one based on intellectual property. According to Alan Greenspan, 47% of world GDP is now intellectual property. To just give it away without a fight is economic suicide. And P2P was designed from the beginning as a tool to facilitate copyright infringement and the theft of intellectual property because of its decentralized distribution model. Somehow I have a hard time believing that IP from entertainment is equatable to the future of the US economy
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said by grandpinaple:......... Trying to fight pirates is simply an unnwinnable assymetric war that only gets harder with time. It is only winnable in a totalitarian regime, which is in itself contradictory to capitalism. So would you like to cut your nose off to smite your face. Or will you live without IP law and let the economy thrive. Live without IP law!!
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said by fAcEtIOUs: the future of the US economy and to allow it to be open to stealing by anyone will do irreparable harm to the US. Ever see this video, Money As Debt? In easy terms explains the damage we have done to ourselves.
»video.google.com/videoplay?docid···lindex=0
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