Re: oh, so I see how it works... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19518722 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:59:25 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:59:25 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518990 smcallah : I never said it communicated with the headend over the Ethernet, I know how cable devices communicate with the headend, obviously, it's over the coax.

My point was, that the TiVo has USB ports and Ethernet, while his TV doesn't, which makes it incapable of having a dongle of any kind to allow SDV with CableCard. And somehow he was blaming TiVo for the make of his TV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518990 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:09:50 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518722 cghh :
said by smcallah See Profile :

TiVo happens to be a device with USB ports and an Ethernet port, making it capable to communicate back to the cable headend.
The "tuner resolver" will connect to both the cable and the USB port, and will communicate with the head end over the cable. No ethernet port is required. If a cablecard TV has a USB port and the ability to update its firmware, it potentially could be upgraded to handle SDV. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518722 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:25:28 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518373 bicker :
said by KrK See Profile :

The fact that the problem goes un-fixed most certainly IS their fault.
That presumes that something is broken. From TiVo's standpoint, they have no control over the breakage and cannot "fix" it. From the cable company's standpoint, nothing is broken. Again, no one is at fault.

said by KrK See Profile :

Silly me. I thought providing services the customer wants and therefore pays for was the goal.
That is, as you've tacitly recognized, a naive perspective. The overriding goal of almost all corporations is to make money for their owners.

said by KrK See Profile :

I've forgotten that in today's pro-business environment consumers are expected to just take whatever is offered, fork over their cash, and shut the hell up.
And it has been this way for at least 25 years, going on 30 years.

said by KrK See Profile :

As for who the country chooses as leaders, well, I've been in the other camp for years. Personally, I feel we could use sweeping reforms to put consumers on a more even keel with business interests.
I can adjust to that if I have to, but what is most important is consistency. Constantly changing the rules helps no one. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518373 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:25:01 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19518254 KrK :
said by bicker See Profile :

It is nobody's "fault".
Well it is, and it isn't. The fact that the problem goes un-fixed most certainly IS their fault.
Each company involved is responsible to its owners, not to pander to our personal demands.
Silly me. I thought providing services the customer wants and therefore pays for was the goal. I've forgotten that in today's pro-business environment consumers are expected to just take whatever is offered, fork over their cash, and shut the hell up.

As for who the country chooses as leaders, well, I've been in the other camp for years. Personally, I feel we could use sweeping reforms to put consumers on a more even keel with business interests.
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said by NOCMan See Profile :

You will have to get new cable cards that's all. Complain to your cable company that they're screwing you over
A new CableCARD won't magically install the missing transmitter in the device you put it into making it 2-way capable.

There is no such thing as a 1-way CableCARD, but there are plenty of 1-way devices (labeled UDCR or DCR) you can install them into and the cable companies didn't make those...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19517115 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:39:20 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516937 bicker : It is nobody's "fault". Each company involved is responsible to its owners, not to pander to our personal demands. It's a bit like saying that it is the bakery's "fault" that muffins cost so much. :rolleyes:

If you want society to work different, i.e., more biased towards the consumer instead of striking a balance between consumer interests and business interests, as is the case today, look very hard at the people you vote for for Congress and the Presidency. For the last 28 years (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush) our country has overwhelmingly chosen PRO-BUSINESS leaders, not consumerist leaders.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516937 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:54:26 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516734 NOCMan : This has nothing to do with Tivo. You will have to get new cable cards that's all. Complain to your cable company that they're screwing you over, complain to the FCC and congress that you are being forced to rent a box to watch your channels you already pay for.

Finally just get a generic box, it's probably comparable in price to the cable card.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516734 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:49:53 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516525 sporkme :
said by ajwees41 See Profile :

You can download stuff off of the cable dvr
What "stuff"? Stuff that was sent in the clear, encrypted stuff, all stuff?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516525 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:37:40 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516390 ajwees41 : The moto dvr with passport echo 2.7 can be set to view only channels you want to see. I don't see any speed diferences

what model of moto hardware are you using? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516390 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:15:34 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516371 KrK :
said by inteller See Profile :

Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves.

fuck you TiVo.
Nothing to do with Tivo. It's the Cable companies fault.

Cable companies hate CableCard anyway. I'm sure they'll love forcing people into obsolescence.
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You can download stuff off of the cable dvr There are currently only three things a tivo can go that cable dvr's don't do. MRV,Wishlist,andweb scheduling.
No, as I pointed out, the Motorola units do not have auto-rewind at the end of a FF commercial skip. They also do not have a To Do List to see on a single page the programs scheduled to be recorded. The interface sucks and the response to the remote hangs every so often, stacking up the button commands and then releasing them all 1 minute later.

Can you do wireless downloads over your local network?

Another thing the Moto can't do is exclude channels that you do not care for. All it can do is make a Favorites list, and you have to choose Favorites each time you want to see the list or else you get all the channels.
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said by Johnny See Profile :

said by inteller See Profile :

Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves.

fuck you TiVo.
Why would you have only a cableCARD in your TV? Don't you want to time-shift programs? How did you expect to watch SDV channels?

- Get a digital box from the cable company OR

- Get the DVR from the cable company and suffer the shitty interface, no automatic rewind, no To Do List, confusing remote, no scheduling from the Web, no downloading to computer OR



- Get a TiVo HD DVR, get a beautiful interface and toss that cable company remote with 514 buttons on it, and schedule and download recorded programs from your computer.

If your TV/cableCARD only solution won't do SDV, and your cable provider is putting channels on SDV, that's the TV's responsibility to build in some sort of two-way communication so the TV can map the channels to its channels.
You can download stuff off of the cable dvr There are currently only three things a tivo can go that cable dvr's don't do. MRV,Wishlist,andweb scheduling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516332 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:36:34 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516081 Johnny :
said by inteller See Profile :

Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves.

fuck you TiVo.
Why would you have only a cableCARD in your TV? Don't you want to time-shift programs? How did you expect to watch SDV channels?

- Get a digital box from the cable company OR

- Get the DVR from the cable company and suffer the shitty interface, no automatic rewind, no To Do List, confusing remote, no scheduling from the Web, no downloading to computer OR

- Get a TiVo HD DVR, get a beautiful interface and toss that cable company remote with 514 buttons on it, and schedule and download recorded programs from your computer.

If your TV/cableCARD only solution won't do SDV, and your cable provider is putting channels on SDV, that's the TV's responsibility to build in some sort of two-way communication so the TV can map the channels to its channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19516081 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:43:27 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515465 caddyroger :
said by inteller See Profile :

Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves.

fuck you TiVo.
So it Tivo fault that the television don't have usb or ethernet on them. I have a 72 in Toshiba with a cable card but no usb.
You can't blame Tivo on that.
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said by inteller See Profile :

Tivo gets a solution that works for them meanwhile the rest of us who have cableCARDs in our TVs (without the ability to upgrade firmware) can go fuck ourselves.

fuck you TiVo.
I can upgrade the firmware in my TV ...

Regardless, I don't see how this is Tivo's fault.
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said by ifarrell See Profile :

PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!!!!!
Amen Brother!

TivoHD Rocks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19515144 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:08:11 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514829 ifarrell : PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514829 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:27:23 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514815 ifarrell : Because they're the same type of unimaginative people that would substitute Apple or Microsoft after the f word.
I'm just glad a solution was arrived at. I just hope the Cable Companies don't see this as another way to suck a few more bucks out of our wallets by saying they'll only rent the USB device.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514815 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:26:43 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514804 morbo : waa waa. blame your tv manufacturer (and yourself) for your problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514804 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:24:14 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514580 smcallah : What's that have to do with TiVo?

TiVo happens to be a device with USB ports and an Ethernet port, making it capable to communicate back to the cable headend.

Your TV with CableCard, not designed by TiVo, has no ports that would allow it to have a device that would communicate back to the cable headend.

I fail to see how TiVo is at fault.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514580 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:50:38 EDT Re: oh, so I see how it works... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514497 dvd536 :
said by inteller See Profile :

fuck you TiVo.
Amen!
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fuck you TiVo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19514361 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:20:15 EDT