maartena
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| reply to fiberguy
Re: I wish...
said by fiberguy  : it IS a shared medium Most people don't even realize that DSL is just as much shared.
The difference between DSL and Cable is however, that DSL is shared in the local CO, which could easily handle 15,000 or more phone connections and perhaps as many as 5,000 DSL connections, whereas the bandwidth going in and out the CO is less then those 5,000 connections.
Cable is shared over a local node, which may have 80-100 cable internet subscribers connected to it, where the node connects to about 300 houses or so.
Yes the numbers are different for each node, there are small CO's with only 1,000 phone and maybe 250 DSL subscribers, there are also smaller cable nodes, 10 internet 50 cableTV or something like that.
Point is, pretty much anything that isn't a T-1 line or other form of dedicated service, is shared somewhere. EVEN Business DSL and Business Cable. And yes, FIOS is also sharing bandwidth.
That being said, my RoadRunner cable is pretty much stable and speedy 24/7, give or take some planned maintenance.
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gatorkram
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said by fiberguy :Well.. as we say in the real world, "pics, or it didn't happen" will hold about as much water as a bucket full of bullet holes.  I know things seem pretty simple in a fantasy world.. in fact, I can tell you about people who've lost their jobs, homes, spouses, etc. while playing WOW. But, since there's no pics, "it didn't happen".. Maybe you missed my point here, but Cabal said to check the forums here, for proof of issues. I am simply asking for links to these topics, because in my quick glance over there, I was unable to find any such topics.
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fiberguy
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Well.. as we say in the real world, "pics, or it didn't happen" will hold about as much water as a bucket full of bullet holes.
I know things seem pretty simple in a fantasy world.. in fact, I can tell you about people who've lost their jobs, homes, spouses, etc. while playing WOW. But, since there's no pics, "it didn't happen"..
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Captain Kirk
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gatorkram
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As we say in World Of Warcraft, pics, or it didn't happen. In this case, give me some links to these topics, or it didn't happen. Pretty simple. |
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Its not "starting to" either. There was an instance of a bad router/route in the Northeast and thats been resolved. There is no discussion of any bandwidth crunch anywhere and verizon has just demonstrated that upgrading the back bone links from 40 to 100gbps is relatively easy.
so no even with all their new up stream plans i don't foresee any issues with bandwidth anytime soon on verizon. Now the servers fios customers may hit may take a beating but thats an entirely different issue.... |
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fiberguy
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| reply to proletarian2
Let's see.. he said "starting to".. it IS a shared medium, and just because you're not slowing down in your area is no different that the argument with Cable where people say cable has slow-downs and someone spouts up to confirm that theirs doesn't.
By the way.. My Comcast cable 8/768 has NEVER skipped a beat. Other subscriber's who's service does would disagree with me.
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maartena
Super Grover
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| reply to Jerm
said by Jerm :I dunno. With VDSL2 allowing a claimed 100mbps @ 3500ft over copper and AT&T limiting their FTTH to what 6mbps - I think I don't care how the bandwidth gets to me - just get it to me! I'm at 12000 ft from the CO. Even with VDSL, ADSL2, DSL2+ or all new DSL type technologies combined, I will only be able to get about 3 Mbps. If am extremely lucky, I may get away with a 6 Mbps subscription which may connect at around 5 Mbps.
Cable gives me 10 down, 1 up.
Not a difficult choice. I don't care about VDSL or DSL2+ as they are all so very nice for the first 5000 ft, but if you are over that..... goodluck getting any type of speed from your phone company.
As long as no one strings fiber to my house, I am pretty sure I will stick with cable.
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Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
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| reply to proletarian2
said by proletarian2 :said by Cabal :FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum. I'm callin BS there. Where are these purported slowdowns? My 15/2 has NEVER skipped a beat. I've been following FiOS forum for a while, skimming here and there, not reading every topic or post. I see occasional instances which show congestion, but it has not been well organized about where the congestion is. A lot of people report seeing the congestion going to non-Verizon sites; it is hard to know immediately where the bottle necks are placed (after all, they could be at Verizon, for instance, in their NSA-copy room, or at the peering sites, or someplace else). Very occasionally a post about a more obviously Verizon site (their test site) will show congestion, but we'll have to start waiting for people who are doing file transfers from a 20/20 or 15/15 to another 20/20 or 15/15 (or at least to another 20/5 or 15/2 or whatever) both on FiOS to see where the slowdowns really are. If such posts exist, they aren't widespread yet, but obviously I missed them and they'd be important.
Anyway, are you going to suddenly claim that because a handful of octets got dropped or delayed, that the entire system is too slow? It is obviously way faster than most other systems as delivered. How much, we'll see with time. |
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proletarian2
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said by Cabal :FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum. I'm callin BS there. Where are these purported slowdowns?
My 15/2 has NEVER skipped a beat. |
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gatorkram
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said by Cabal :FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum. I just went over there. Maybe it's me, but I don't see many posts about slow speeds, are you sure you aren't looking at the DSL forum? Got any links to threads?
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Cabal
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| reply to khadCCH
FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum.
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gatorkram
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It is all shared someplace. |
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khadCCH
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I CAN ESPECIALLY IF i Am being shared with hundreds of people. I want my own dedicated guaranteed upstream and downstream like fios. plus minimal outages |
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gatorkram
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Can't argue with that logic.. |
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Jerm
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Richland, WA | reply to gatorkram
I dunno. With VDSL2 allowing a claimed 100mbps @ 3500ft over copper and AT&T limiting their FTTH to what 6mbps - I think I don't care how the bandwidth gets to me - just get it to me! |
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gatorkram
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clubs: | they'd all just give up on copper, and start putting glass in the ground, or in the air...
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