Re: I wish... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19521438 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:44:06 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:44:06 EDT Re: I wish... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19527543 maartena :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

it IS a shared medium
Most people don't even realize that DSL is just as much shared.

The difference between DSL and Cable is however, that DSL is shared in the local CO, which could easily handle 15,000 or more phone connections and perhaps as many as 5,000 DSL connections, whereas the bandwidth going in and out the CO is less then those 5,000 connections.

Cable is shared over a local node, which may have 80-100 cable internet subscribers connected to it, where the node connects to about 300 houses or so.

Yes the numbers are different for each node, there are small CO's with only 1,000 phone and maybe 250 DSL subscribers, there are also smaller cable nodes, 10 internet 50 cableTV or something like that.

Point is, pretty much anything that isn't a T-1 line or other form of dedicated service, is shared somewhere. EVEN Business DSL and Business Cable. And yes, FIOS is also sharing bandwidth.

That being said, my RoadRunner cable is pretty much stable and speedy 24/7, give or take some planned maintenance.
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

Well.. as we say in the real world, "pics, or it didn't happen" will hold about as much water as a bucket full of bullet holes. :huh:

I know things seem pretty simple in a fantasy world.. in fact, I can tell you about people who've lost their jobs, homes, spouses, etc. while playing WOW. But, since there's no pics, "it didn't happen".. :huh:
Maybe you missed my point here, but Cabal said to check the forums here, for proof of issues. I am simply asking for links to these topics, because in my quick glance over there, I was unable to find any such topics.
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»/testhistory/661871/4f240]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19526727 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:15:38 EDT Re: I wish... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19525729 fiberguy : Well.. as we say in the real world, "pics, or it didn't happen" will hold about as much water as a bucket full of bullet holes. :huh:

I know things seem pretty simple in a fantasy world.. in fact, I can tell you about people who've lost their jobs, homes, spouses, etc. while playing WOW. But, since there's no pics, "it didn't happen".. :huh:
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so no even with all their new up stream plans i don't foresee any issues with bandwidth anytime soon on verizon. Now the servers fios customers may hit may take a beating but thats an entirely different issue....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523414 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:18:17 EDT Re: I wish... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19523194 fiberguy : Let's see.. he said "starting to".. it IS a shared medium, and just because you're not slowing down in your area is no different that the argument with Cable where people say cable has slow-downs and someone spouts up to confirm that theirs doesn't.

By the way.. My Comcast cable 8/768 has NEVER skipped a beat. Other subscriber's who's service does would disagree with me.
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said by Jerm See Profile :

I dunno. With VDSL2 allowing a claimed 100mbps @ 3500ft over copper and AT&T limiting their FTTH to what 6mbps - I think I don't care how the bandwidth gets to me - just get it to me!
I'm at 12000 ft from the CO. Even with VDSL, ADSL2, DSL2+ or all new DSL type technologies combined, I will only be able to get about 3 Mbps. If am extremely lucky, I may get away with a 6 Mbps subscription which may connect at around 5 Mbps.

Cable gives me 10 down, 1 up.

Not a difficult choice. I don't care about VDSL or DSL2+ as they are all so very nice for the first 5000 ft, but if you are over that..... goodluck getting any type of speed from your phone company.

As long as no one strings fiber to my house, I am pretty sure I will stick with cable.
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said by proletarian2 See Profile :

said by Cabal See Profile :

FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum.
I'm callin BS there. Where are these purported slowdowns?

My 15/2 has NEVER skipped a beat.
I've been following FiOS forum for a while, skimming here and there, not reading every topic or post. I see occasional instances which show congestion, but it has not been well organized about where the congestion is. A lot of people report seeing the congestion going to non-Verizon sites; it is hard to know immediately where the bottle necks are placed (after all, they could be at Verizon, for instance, in their NSA-copy room, or at the peering sites, or someplace else). Very occasionally a post about a more obviously Verizon site (their test site) will show congestion, but we'll have to start waiting for people who are doing file transfers from a 20/20 or 15/15 to another 20/20 or 15/15 (or at least to another 20/5 or 15/2 or whatever) both on FiOS to see where the slowdowns really are. If such posts exist, they aren't widespread yet, but obviously I missed them and they'd be important.

Anyway, are you going to suddenly claim that because a handful of octets got dropped or delayed, that the entire system is too slow? It is obviously way faster than most other systems as delivered. How much, we'll see with time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522152 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:11:22 EDT Re: I wish... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522030 proletarian2 :
said by Cabal See Profile :

FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum.
I'm callin BS there. Where are these purported slowdowns?

My 15/2 has NEVER skipped a beat. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19522030 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:54:31 EDT Re: I wish... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521479 gatorkram :
said by Cabal See Profile :

FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum.
I just went over there. Maybe it's me, but I don't see many posts about slow speeds, are you sure you aren't looking at the DSL forum? Got any links to threads?
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»/testhistory/661871/4f240]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521479 Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:33:17 EDT Re: I wish... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19521438 Cabal : FiOS is overbuilt like everything else and is starting to see big slowdowns during prime hours in populated areas. The honeymoon's over. Check the Verizon forum.
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