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SilverSurfer1
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EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests

Yet another case that demonstrates the EFF is the only thing standing between Internet censorship/throttling/blocking by the corporately consolidated providers and the consumer. If not for EFF, the entire Internet in the Western Hemisphere would be controlled by AT*T and Verizon.

JasonD
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Surely you jest. Bittorent is the scourge of the internet and should be stopped, Comcast is doing it way too politely. As for the EFF, well their focus should be on where it would matter most for consumers. Instead of frivolous suits and claims against corporate entities (which is bad for business and raises prices for consumers) they should be investigating and going after phishers, scammers, spammers, and online pirates.
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How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle? The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere. BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own?

Gaffe
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Says the anonymous Comcast employee.

Zaber
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said by JasonD :

...Bittorent is the scourge of the internet...
Justify your statement.
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said by openbox9:

How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle?
You can familiarize yourself by starting here. There are a number of factual, actual, quantifiable, qualitative case histories sufficient to get you started.
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The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere.
Your conjecture and opinion.
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BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own?
Irrelevant in the face of the simple fact that the telcos have been vying for role of gatekeeper since the Net's inception.

Da Geek Kid
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surely yer full of $#!t...

Comcast should never be in a business that can't handle the load. We all know they cannot handle that much traffic per customer...

ptrowski
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said by JasonD :

Surely you jest. Bittorent is the scourge of the internet and should be stopped, Comcast is doing it way too politely. As for the EFF, well their focus should be on where it would matter most for consumers. Instead of frivolous suits and claims against corporate entities (which is bad for business and raises prices for consumers) they should be investigating and going after phishers, scammers, spammers, and online pirates.
Wow, it looks like the Comcast shills are at the party already!
I would tend to think that the EFF is going after scammers as Comcast is trying to scam their customers under the guise of "network management".

en102
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Yup... I suspect it as well.

CableCo/Telco will raise bandwidth rates IF there's low usage.
Eg. 20Mbps connection isn't an issue if there's low usage.

This works similar to an old fashioned Telco CO, where there's a fixed capacity for lets say 40% at any one time (i.e. 40% of the phones can be calling at the same time).
Typical Internet usage (browsing, video clips,downloads) support this model

Bittorrent is a chatty protocol, and many would see this as excess traffic, or consider it as 'running servers', in a method to deter the usage of p2p/Bittorrent. An old telco equivalent would think of this as having multiple people connecting to a local # and leaving the 2 connections open. Get enough of this, and capacity issues arise.

I don't justify it... if they can't support 20Mbps, then don't offer it. Offering it, then packet shaping / filtering / throttling apps at their discression is not the answer.
Why not do it the old / AOL style:
5Mbps 'Internet' (unrestricted) = $60
20Mbps 'proxied/filtered/restricted Internet want to be' $45

This will solve this issue. Sell the Internet as the what it is. Sell a proxied/ad filled/content pushed/cookie based/data mined AOL wannabe as an alternative.
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I use the Bittorent client built into World of Warcraft to send and receive patches. That is the only time I use any sort of P2P software (that I am aware of).

Does that make me part of the scourge?

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yes.
bi0tech
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I often wonder how many of these type statements on a variety of subjects are true shills, overzealous non-sanctioned employee opinion, or just true believers of nonsense on their own accord.

JasonD care to fill us in?

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The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves.
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The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves.
Is that an offical or unoffical position by comcast, just asking for clarification.

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I often wonder how many of these type statements on a variety of subjects are true shills, overzealous non-sanctioned employee opinion, or just true believers of nonsense on their own accord.

JasonD care to fill us in?
I bet you it will be the "true beleiver" category from him.

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Because, of course, a user like gateguy trying to use World of Warcraft's built-in BitTorrent client to pull down a patch or a Linux user using BitTorrent to get a new ISO are such thieves!

It's one thing if they blocked BitTorrent to someone who downloaded 20GB of data in the past week and admit to it. It's quite another to just block BitTorrent entirely while denying that any such blocking it occurring.

jester121
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said by FFH5:

The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves.
They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment.
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[They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment.
Unless, of course, comes an event and/or time that you, personally need the EFF on your side (as in a DMCA matter), then you will be singing an entirely different tune, I suspect. And that's not a compliment, either.

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said by SilverSurfer1:

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[They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment.
Unless, of course, comes an event and/or time that you, personally need the EFF on your side (as in a DMCA matter), then you will be singing an entirely different tune, I suspect. And that's not a compliment, either.
Sure, since I certainly shouldn't be held responsible for my actions if I break the law. If I choose to violate the DMCA I'll be sure to pay for my own lawyer, or defend myself.

But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? How very magnanimous of them.

(I realize you're parroting my statement, but I don't think anything you said could be mistaken as a compliment. Nice try at sarcasm, though...)

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said by SilverSurfer1:

But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics?
Uh, not quite. One of the most famous instances of ACLU involvement was in supporting the right of white supremacists to demonstrate in a largely Jewish suburb of Chicago.
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Sure, since I certainly shouldn't be held responsible for my actions if I break the law.
No idea what that means - Are you saying that anyone who employs the help of the EFF should go directly to prison without due process, including the services of an attorney?
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But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? How very magnanimous of them.
As evidenced by the many instances of having represented Skinheads/NeoNazis, the ACLU represents civil liberties, period. Politics doesn't even come into play.
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(I realize you're parroting my statement, but I don't think anything you said could be mistaken as a compliment. Nice try at sarcasm, though...)
As to sarcasm, if I wanted to hit you with any kind of wry wit, I wouldn't use your words to do it.

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Sure, since I certainly shouldn't be held responsible for my actions if I break the law. If I choose to violate the DMCA I'll be sure to pay for my own lawyer, or defend myself.
Would you be willing to pay for your own lawyer to defend yourself if a big company was using the DMCA to silence you from posting something negative about them online? Even if that negative thing was true and didn't violate the DMCA? Paying for a lawyer is expensive and many people wouldn't be able to afford to defend themselves. There are some companies out there that realize this and try to use the DMCA (and other laws) as the basis for SLAPP lawsuits knowing that the average person will have no choice but to fold.

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said by SilverSurfer1:

said by jester121:

But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? How very magnanimous of them.
As evidenced by the many instances of having represented Skinheads/NeoNazis, the ACLU represents civil liberties, period. Politics doesn't even come into play.
You're right -- just think of all the dozens of times the ACLU has come to the aid of anti-abortion activitists, Republicans whose privacy was ignored by the Clintons, and on and on. To say nothing of the fact that it was founded by a dedicated group of communists.

:end sarcasm
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The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves.
don't hold back TCH, er I mean HCT, tell us how your company, er I mean you, really feel.

oh, by the way, the RIAA and MPAA are nothing but mouthpieces for rapacious, clueless, "megacorps".
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that's OK, jester21 sounds like a republican so that means he has lots of money. shoot, he probably keeps an attorney on retainer to sue people that piss him off.

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said by SilverSurfer1:

But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics?
Uh, not quite. One of the most famous instances of ACLU involvement was in supporting the right of white supremacists to demonstrate in a largely Jewish suburb of Chicago.
That is their politics... They're in the politics of following the Constitution to the 'T'.... Some people have a problem with this, so they call them liberals.... Sometimes they defend far right issues and that is used as an example that they are not a "liberal" organization. The truth is that they theoretically are independent... It just happens that the Republicans are infringing on our rights nowadays and therefore it makes the ACLU look liberal. I'm an independent an I support a Republican for president. Don't bother flaming me, I'm not a liberal.

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Failure to explain the saving of the Western Hemisphere is not my conjecture or opinion. I'm not sure what you mean by gatekeeper.

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I agree. The EFF kicks ass. They fight for freedom.
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Does that make me part of the scourge?
Yes. AND you worship Satan!
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said by FFH5:

The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves.
Much as certain users on these forums seem to be nothing but mouthpieces for corporate douchebaggery.