SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests
Yet another case that demonstrates the EFF is the only thing standing between Internet censorship/throttling/blocking by the corporately consolidated providers and the consumer. If not for EFF, the entire Internet in the Western Hemisphere would be controlled by AT*T and Verizon. |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
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| Surely you jest. Bittorent is the scourge of the internet and should be stopped, Comcast is doing it way too politely. As for the EFF, well their focus should be on where it would matter most for consumers. Instead of frivolous suits and claims against corporate entities (which is bad for business and raises prices for consumers) they should be investigating and going after phishers, scammers, spammers, and online pirates. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
 ·Mediacom
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How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle? The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere. BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own? |
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Mashimaro
Problematic
join:2003-09-25
Alexander City, AL | reply to JasonD
Says the anonymous Comcast employee. |
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Zaber
When all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH
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·XO COMMUNICATIONS
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
...Bittorent is the scourge of the internet...
Justify your statement.
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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said by openbox9 :How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle? You can familiarize yourself by starting here. There are a number of factual, actual, quantifiable, qualitative case histories sufficient to get you started.
said by openbox9 :The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere. Your conjecture and opinion.
said by openbox9 :BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own? Irrelevant in the face of the simple fact that the telcos have been vying for role of gatekeeper since the Net's inception. |
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Da Geek Kid
join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA | reply to JasonD
surely yer full of $#!t...
Comcast should never be in a business that can't handle the load. We all know they cannot handle that much traffic per customer... |
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
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·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
Surely you jest. Bittorent is the scourge of the internet and should be stopped, Comcast is doing it way too politely. As for the EFF, well their focus should be on where it would matter most for consumers. Instead of frivolous suits and claims against corporate entities (which is bad for business and raises prices for consumers) they should be investigating and going after phishers, scammers, spammers, and online pirates.
Wow, it looks like the Comcast shills are at the party already!
I would tend to think that the EFF is going after scammers as Comcast is trying to scam their customers under the guise of "network management".
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
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Yup... I suspect it as well.
CableCo/Telco will raise bandwidth rates IF there's low usage.
Eg. 20Mbps connection isn't an issue if there's low usage.
This works similar to an old fashioned Telco CO, where there's a fixed capacity for lets say 40% at any one time (i.e. 40% of the phones can be calling at the same time).
Typical Internet usage (browsing, video clips,downloads) support this model
Bittorrent is a chatty protocol, and many would see this as excess traffic, or consider it as 'running servers', in a method to deter the usage of p2p/Bittorrent. An old telco equivalent would think of this as having multiple people connecting to a local # and leaving the 2 connections open. Get enough of this, and capacity issues arise.
I don't justify it... if they can't support 20Mbps, then don't offer it. Offering it, then packet shaping / filtering / throttling apps at their discression is not the answer.
Why not do it the old / AOL style:
5Mbps 'Internet' (unrestricted) = $60
20Mbps 'proxied/filtered/restricted Internet want to be' $45
This will solve this issue. Sell the Internet as the what it is. Sell a proxied/ad filled/content pushed/cookie based/data mined AOL wannabe as an alternative.
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gateguy
Premium
join:2001-02-12
Reisterstown, MD | reply to JasonD
I use the Bittorent client built into World of Warcraft to send and receive patches. That is the only time I use any sort of P2P software (that I am aware of).
Does that make me part of the scourge? |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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November 28th, @02:49PM
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bi0tech
join:2003-06-19 | reply to JasonD
I often wonder how many of these type statements on a variety of subjects are true shills, overzealous non-sanctioned employee opinion, or just true believers of nonsense on their own accord.
JasonD care to fill us in? |
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TK Junk Mail
Golf season has returned - hurrah
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves. |
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RangerTX
Premium
join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| said by TK Junk Mail :The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves. Is that an offical or unoffical position by comcast, just asking for clarification. |
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ptrowski
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Putnam, CT
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| reply to bi0tech
said by bi0tech :I often wonder how many of these type statements on a variety of subjects are true shills, overzealous non-sanctioned employee opinion, or just true believers of nonsense on their own accord. JasonD care to fill us in? I bet you it will be the "true beleiver" category from him. |
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| reply to TK Junk Mail
Because, of course, a user like gateguy trying to use World of Warcraft's built-in BitTorrent client to pull down a patch or a Linux user using BitTorrent to get a new ISO are such thieves!
It's one thing if they blocked BitTorrent to someone who downloaded 20GB of data in the past week and admit to it. It's quite another to just block BitTorrent entirely while denying that any such blocking it occurring. |
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·ViaTalk
| reply to TK Junk Mail
said by TK Junk Mail :The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves. They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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November 28th, @04:53PM
| said by jester121 :[They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment. Unless, of course, comes an event and/or time that you, personally need the EFF on your side (as in a DMCA matter), then you will be singing an entirely different tune, I suspect. And that's not a compliment, either. |
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·ViaTalk
| said by SilverSurfer :said by jester121 :[They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment. Unless, of course, comes an event and/or time that you, personally need the EFF on your side (as in a DMCA matter), then you will be singing an entirely different tune, I suspect. And that's not a compliment, either. Sure, since I certainly shouldn't be held responsible for my actions if I break the law.  If I choose to violate the DMCA I'll be sure to pay for my own lawyer, or defend myself.
But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? How very magnanimous of them.
(I realize you're parroting my statement, but I don't think anything you said could be mistaken as a compliment. Nice try at sarcasm, though...) |
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snorpus
join:2000-10-02
Export, PA
| said by SilverSurfer :But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? Uh, not quite. One of the most famous instances of ACLU involvement was in supporting the right of white supremacists to demonstrate in a largely Jewish suburb of Chicago. |
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