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| EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests Yet another case that demonstrates the EFF is the only thing standing between Internet censorship/throttling/blocking by the corporately consolidated providers and the consumer. If not for EFF, the entire Internet in the Western Hemisphere would be controlled by AT*T and Verizon. | |
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JasonD
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests Surely you jest. Bittorent is the scourge of the internet and should be stopped, Comcast is doing it way too politely. As for the EFF, well their focus should be on where it would matter most for consumers. Instead of frivolous suits and claims against corporate entities (which is bad for business and raises prices for consumers) they should be investigating and going after phishers, scammers, spammers, and online pirates. | |
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Mashimaro
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Alexander City, AL | Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests Says the anonymous Comcast employee. | |
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en102
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1 edit | Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests Yup... I suspect it as well.
CableCo/Telco will raise bandwidth rates IF there's low usage.
Eg. 20Mbps connection isn't an issue if there's low usage.
This works similar to an old fashioned Telco CO, where there's a fixed capacity for lets say 40% at any one time (i.e. 40% of the phones can be calling at the same time).
Typical Internet usage (browsing, video clips,downloads) support this model
Bittorrent is a chatty protocol, and many would see this as excess traffic, or consider it as 'running servers', in a method to deter the usage of p2p/Bittorrent. An old telco equivalent would think of this as having multiple people connecting to a local # and leaving the 2 connections open. Get enough of this, and capacity issues arise.
I don't justify it... if they can't support 20Mbps, then don't offer it. Offering it, then packet shaping / filtering / throttling apps at their discression is not the answer.
Why not do it the old / AOL style:
5Mbps 'Internet' (unrestricted) = $60
20Mbps 'proxied/filtered/restricted Internet want to be' $45
This will solve this issue. Sell the Internet as the what it is. Sell a proxied/ad filled/content pushed/cookie based/data mined AOL wannabe as an alternative.
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Da Geek Kid
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Mclean, VA | surely yer full of $#!t...
Comcast should never be in a business that can't handle the load. We all know they cannot handle that much traffic per customer... | |
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| gateguy
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Reisterstown, MD | I use the Bittorent client built into World of Warcraft to send and receive patches. That is the only time I use any sort of P2P software (that I am aware of).
Does that make me part of the scourge? | |
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morbo
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1 edit | Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests yes.
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join:2003-06-19 | I often wonder how many of these type statements on a variety of subjects are true shills, overzealous non-sanctioned employee opinion, or just true believers of nonsense on their own accord.
JasonD care to fill us in? | |
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA | Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests You got to wait till business hours so he can clock in first. | |
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openbox9
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| How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle? The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere. BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own? | |
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by openbox9 :How exactly has the EFF done this great miracle? You can familiarize yourself by starting here. There are a number of factual, actual, quantifiable, qualitative case histories sufficient to get you started.
said by openbox9 :The EFF is a mouthpiece that occasionally has valid arguments of concern for the Internet populace, but I fail to see how they've been a savior for the Western Hemisphere. Your conjecture and opinion.
said by openbox9 :BTW, what percentage of the market does AT&T and Verizon own? Irrelevant in the face of the simple fact that the telcos have been vying for role of gatekeeper since the Net's inception. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests Failure to explain the saving of the Western Hemisphere is not my conjecture or opinion. I'm not sure what you mean by gatekeeper. | |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ | The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves. | |
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by TKJunkMail :The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves. Is that an offical or unoffical position by comcast, just asking for clarification. | |
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Jason Levine
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| Because, of course, a user like gateguy trying to use World of Warcraft's built-in BitTorrent client to pull down a patch or a Linux user using BitTorrent to get a new ISO are such thieves!
It's one thing if they blocked BitTorrent to someone who downloaded 20GB of data in the past week and admit to it. It's quite another to just block BitTorrent entirely while denying that any such blocking it occurring. | |
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| jester121
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| said by TKJunkMail :The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves. They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment. | |
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1 edit | Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by jester121 :[They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment. Unless, of course, comes an event and/or time that you, personally need the EFF on your side (as in a DMCA matter), then you will be singing an entirely different tune, I suspect. And that's not a compliment, either. | |
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by SilverSurfer :said by jester121 :[They're actually becoming the tech world's equivalent of the ACLU -- and that's not a compliment. Unless, of course, comes an event and/or time that you, personally need the EFF on your side (as in a DMCA matter), then you will be singing an entirely different tune, I suspect. And that's not a compliment, either. Sure, since I certainly shouldn't be held responsible for my actions if I break the law.  If I choose to violate the DMCA I'll be sure to pay for my own lawyer, or defend myself.
But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? How very magnanimous of them.
(I realize you're parroting my statement, but I don't think anything you said could be mistaken as a compliment. Nice try at sarcasm, though...) | |
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by SilverSurfer :But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? Uh, not quite. One of the most famous instances of ACLU involvement was in supporting the right of white supremacists to demonstrate in a largely Jewish suburb of Chicago. | |
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Tzale
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by snorpus :said by SilverSurfer :But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? Uh, not quite. One of the most famous instances of ACLU involvement was in supporting the right of white supremacists to demonstrate in a largely Jewish suburb of Chicago. That is their politics... They're in the politics of following the Constitution to the 'T'.... Some people have a problem with this, so they call them liberals.... Sometimes they defend far right issues and that is used as an example that they are not a "liberal" organization. The truth is that they theoretically are independent... It just happens that the Republicans are infringing on our rights nowadays and therefore it makes the ACLU look liberal. I'm an independent an I support a Republican for president. Don't bother flaming me, I'm not a liberal.
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| said by jester121 :Sure, since I certainly shouldn't be held responsible for my actions if I break the law. No idea what that means - Are you saying that anyone who employs the help of the EFF should go directly to prison without due process, including the services of an attorney?
said by jester121 :But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? How very magnanimous of them. As evidenced by the many instances of having represented Skinheads/NeoNazis, the ACLU represents civil liberties, period. Politics doesn't even come into play.
said by jester121 :(I realize you're parroting my statement, but I don't think anything you said could be mistaken as a compliment. Nice try at sarcasm, though...) As to sarcasm, if I wanted to hit you with any kind of wry wit, I wouldn't use your words to do it. | |
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by SilverSurfer :said by jester121 :But isn't it interesting that the EFF and ACLU type organizations are only interested in helping people whose plight or position is closely aligned with their own politics? How very magnanimous of them. As evidenced by the many instances of having represented Skinheads/NeoNazis, the ACLU represents civil liberties, period. Politics doesn't even come into play. You're right -- just think of all the dozens of times the ACLU has come to the aid of anti-abortion activitists, Republicans whose privacy was ignored by the Clintons, and on and on. To say nothing of the fact that it was founded by a dedicated group of communists.
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NOVA_Guy
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests said by KrK :said by jester121 :Republicans whose privacy was ignored by the Clintons, and on and on. Amazing how reality can get flipped completely. Swap the positions of the words "Republicans" and "Clintons" and you have ACTUAL REALITY. Yep. It wouldn't have anything to do with President Can't-Keep-It-In-His-Pants getting a BJ on company time on company property with a company employee, would it?
If anyone at my company tried the crap he pulled-- sexual impropriety and then BREAKING THE LAW by lying under oath about it-- they would be fired post haste. And their crime certainly wouldn't go unpunished either.
But then again most people I know are smart enough to not associate themselves with people like the Clintons-- for the same reason why you wouldn't want to put on your Sunday best and then go play in the mud with a bunch of pigs... you just don't want to get that dirty...
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KrK
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| Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests Yeah, nice twist there to try and make a bad analogy fit.
Company time, company employee, etc etc LOL
I'm betting if we had an unlimited budget and 10 years or so to conduct a witch-hunt on you something could be found to screw up your life with.
It's just a matter of prospective, really.
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KrK
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| said by jester121 :You're right -- just think of all the dozens of times the ACLU has come to the aid of anti-abortion activitists, Uh.... Ok, prepare to get pwned....
The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2005) defended the rights of two teenage girls who, for religious reasons, sought to wear anti-abortion t-shirts to school after school officials threatened to punish them.
The ACLU of Ohio (2002) filed a brief in support of preacher who wanted to protest abortion at a parade, but was prohibited from doing so in an Akron suburb.
1999: The ACLU of Maryland assists the March for Life Committee in getting a permit for an anti-abortion march in Annapolis without having to pay a $5,400 fee the city was seeking. The ACLU worked with the American Center for Law & Justice to revise a proposed city ordinance so as to keep free speech free.
1997: Arizona Civil Liberties Union sues City of Phoenix to challenge an ordinance under which the City refused to allow the Children of the Rosary, an anti-abortion group, to place ads on City buses. The lawsuit was filed jointly with the American Center for Law and Justice.
1994: ACLU of Pennsylvania assisted a pregnant 17-year-old whose parents wanted her to have an abortion she didn't want. She had moved away from home to continue her pregnancy, but her parents called police to have her brought home. ACLU convinced officials to let her continue her pregnancy and live away from parents.
1993: ACLU of New Jersey files an amicus brief on behalf of anti-abortion picketers. "Our defense of freedom of speech clearly cannot vary, and has not varied, with the views expressed." -- ACLU attorney Frank Corrado.
1993: ACLU of Florida offers legal assistance to Operation Rescue, who refused the offer.
1992: ACLU of Rhode Island files a friend-of-the-court brief challenging a state judge's increase of bail for anti-abortion defendants, charged with obstructing a clinic, who refused to provide their Social Security numbers.
1991: ACLU of Northern California offers support for man arrested for displaying photographs of human fetuses.
1990: ACLU of Southern California files a brief supporting Operation Rescue's appeal of a federal judge's ruling upholding the use of "pain compliance" techniques by L.A. police.
1990: ACLU of Rhode Island files a friend-of-the-court brief in state Supreme Court in support of anti-abortion protesters challenging the constitutionality of a town ordinance limiting residential picketing.
ETC ETC ETC
Amazing how blasted the ACLU is by people--- who don't even know a damn thing about it except believe it when they hear someone call it a "Liberal-pinko-commie outfit"...
Owned.
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Jason Levine
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| said by jester121 :Sure, since I certainly shouldn't be held responsible for my actions if I break the law. If I choose to violate the DMCA I'll be sure to pay for my own lawyer, or defend myself. Would you be willing to pay for your own lawyer to defend yourself if a big company was using the DMCA to silence you from posting something negative about them online? Even if that negative thing was true and didn't violate the DMCA? Paying for a lawyer is expensive and many people wouldn't be able to afford to defend themselves. There are some companies out there that realize this and try to use the DMCA (and other laws) as the basis for SLAPP lawsuits knowing that the average person will have no choice but to fold. | |
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Rockville, MD | Re: EFF Protects the Consumer's Interests that's OK, jester21 sounds like a republican so that means he has lots of money. shoot, he probably keeps an attorney on retainer to sue people that piss him off. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :The EFF is nothing but a mouthpiece for music and movie thieves. don't hold back TCH, er I mean HCT, tell us how your company, er I mean you, really feel.
oh, by the way, the RIAA and MPAA are nothing but mouthpieces for rapacious, clueless, "megacorps". | |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | I agree. The EFF kicks ass. They fight for freedom. | |
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