 ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 | reply to Matt
Re: Double-Talk said by Matt:I also noticed in the article yesterday that the Verizon rep stated they would not impose limits on usage, but then turned around and stated that consumers can use any devices as long as they are willing to pay for usage. That strongly reeked of "we're going to bill by the byte" to me. It is about time that pay-per-byte starts getting used. It solves all problems. It monetarily penalizes bandwidth hogs. It funds infrastructure investment. It avoids the need to throttle content providers, protocols, etc.
If this model flies, then expect to see it start appearing on landline broadband as well.
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD | said by ThrowDemsOut:It is about time that pay-per-byte starts getting used. It solves all problems. Except that pesky problem of having to pay for data you didn't request. If I'm paying by the byte, is my ISP going to filter out all spam on the mail server before it gets downloaded to my email client? Is my ISP going to block unwanted popup ads on any web sites that I might visit? What about annoying, high-bandwidth flash content that I don't want to see? What about windows updates that get downloaded even though I told windows not to download updates? |
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join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA | reply to ThrowDemsOut
It isn't about being a "bandwidth hog". Some use their connection more than others. Legally I might add. I am on the net more than watching television. That is my preferred entertainment.
But I must strongly say that with the bill by the byte system, it will finally quiet down the folks like you screaming about hog this hog that. The term "You get what you pay for" rings so true here. 
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 JeffreyWilpon please sell the MetsPremium
join:2002-12-24
Long Island
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said by ThrowDemsOut:said by Matt:If this model flies, then expect to see it start appearing on landline broadband as well. I don't think we'll see that on home broadband. There is too much out there (from an innovative point of view) that requires high bandwidth consumption. If per-byte billing ever occurs at the home level on my Fios, I'm out of there. And I love Fios.
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emptywigHuh? What?Premium
join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX | reply to bbenso1
Damn tootin'...
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:1 | reply to bbenso1
Everything you mentioned was requested by you or your computer in some manner.
SPAM: IMAP is wonderful
Ads and Flash are relative to the sites that you request
Windows updates? Your OS is requesting them. |
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 hhawkmanPremium
join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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said by ThrowDemsOut:
It is about time that pay-per-byte starts getting used. It solves all problems. It monetarily penalizes bandwidth hogs. It funds infrastructure investment. It avoids the need to throttle content providers, protocols, etc.
If this model flies, then expect to see it start appearing on landline broadband as well. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "BANDWIDTH HOG"
I Pay for bandwidth, and I use it. To NOT do so would be silly. The term "BANDWIDTH HOG" was created by 'the Syndicate' to cover up the overloaded nodes they created by overselling. PERIOD! |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:1 | You pay for a connection to the Internet for average, normal use. You don't pay for 100% of your bandwidth. If you did, your monthly bill would have a couple of extra zeros added to it. |
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 PiggieI Actually use WindstreamPremium
join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL | reply to openbox9
Why even debate? There are so many other choices in most places in the country why would anyone needing data service use Verizon?
They lied for 4 years and didn't stop until a Judge called them on the carpet.
Now they want pay per byte.
Simply remove them from your selection and go on with life.
PS: Most towns have more choices than just switching to GSM also. Sprint and Alltel are in a lot of places and have decent data plans.
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hhawkmanPremium
join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA Reviews:
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Re: Double-Talk said by openbox9:You pay for a connection to the Internet for average, normal use. You don't pay for 100% of your bandwidth. If you did, your monthly bill would have a couple of extra zeros added to it. No offence my friend... What IS normal use? And who the FRACK gave you that mindset? I pay for X download, and X upload. And I'm damn well gonna use it if I need to. If I can't Use it, I am being defrauded by my provider. |
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| So you say "no offence" (sic), but then you trash on the poor guy?
Oh, and have you read your AUP lately? Acceptable use isn't saturating your connection 24/7, whether you think you *need* it or not. |
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hhawkmanPremium
join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA Reviews:
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| said by booticon:So you say "no offence" (sic), but then you trash on the poor guy? Oh, and have you read your AUP lately? Acceptable use isn't saturating your connection 24/7, whether you think you *need* it or not. Who said anything about saturating it 24/7?
However, I have that right if I so choose.
And again, the jury isn't necessarily out on the "idiot" thing. Go troll somewhere else. |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to ThrowDemsOut
said by ThrowDemsOut:said by Matt:I also noticed in the article yesterday that the Verizon rep stated they would not impose limits on usage, but then turned around and stated that consumers can use any devices as long as they are willing to pay for usage. That strongly reeked of "we're going to bill by the byte" to me. It is about time that pay-per-byte starts getting used. It solves all problems. It monetarily penalizes bandwidth hogs. It funds infrastructure investment. It avoids the need to throttle content providers, protocols, etc. If this model flies, then expect to see it start appearing on landline broadband as well. Except for the fact people (customers) don't want to keep up with it and it's going to be hard for providers to track it.
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Did you even read that first question?
Nice, I disagree with you, and that makes me a troll. I believe you are the idiot. And yes, I do mean that in an offensive way.
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hhawkmanPremium
join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA Reviews:
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1 edit | said by booticon:Did you even read that first question? Nice, I disagree with you, and that makes me a troll. I believe you are the idiot. And yes, I do mean that in an offensive way. (Edited to add emphasis) We all have our opinions.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:1 | reply to hhawkman
said by hhawkman:No offence my friend... What IS normal use? There's a second word that you conveniently left out...average. Averages are extremely easy to calculate and hence very helpful in defining normal.said by hhawkman:I pay for X download, and X upload. No, you pay for "up to" the capability to peak to X download and Y upload.said by hhawkman:If I can't Use it, I am being defrauded by my provider. There is no fraud in your scenario. If you pay for guaranteed throughput and have the SLA to prove it, then you can claim failure by your service provider. I still wouldn't call it fraud, but you can use whatever semantics that make you happy. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:1 | reply to Matt
Not really. It won't be much different that keeping track of your mobile minutes used. The providers simply need to provide that feedback mechanism for their customers. |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by openbox9:Not really. It won't be much different that keeping track of your mobile minutes used. The providers simply need to provide that feedback mechanism for their customers. It's not quite that simple. What about all the spam email I receive or the phone home traffic of any software or devices I use? What if I piss someone off who decides to DDoS me?
There are methods and models to eliminate all the concerns I listed and to make bill-by-the-byte work, but I don't want my ISP in charge of any of them.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:1 | Cost of doing business. If customers aren't willing to own up to being a netizen, then they shouldn't be connected. |
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 FutureMonMehPremium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2000-10-05
Long Beach, CA | reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:said by hhawkman:No offence my friend... What IS normal use? There's a second word that you conveniently left out...average. Averages are extremely easy to calculate and hence very helpful in defining normal. said by hhawkman:I pay for X download, and X upload. No, you pay for "up to" the capability to peak to X download and Y upload. said by hhawkman:If I can't Use it, I am being defrauded by my provider. There is no fraud in your scenario. If you pay for guaranteed throughput and have the SLA to prove it, then you can claim failure by your service provider. I still wouldn't call it fraud, but you can use whatever semantics that make you happy. Get business class service and "Acceptable use" should be out the window. That's a case where you can be assured full usage of the bandwidth both up and down that you are paying for. Of course it costs about 4 times as much as residential, but rightly so since presumably you are running a business and require tighter SLA's on your connection.
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