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| No caps here I've used all the bandwidth I want on ATT dsl for years and never heard a single complaint from them. Why is it that one provider (comcast) makes such a beef about upgrading their infrastructure?
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | said by chris123:Why is it that one provider (comcast) makes such a beef about upgrading their infrastructure? Oh I dunno.. because you don't look very hard and keep up with the news more?
Cox is doing this.. others are as well. And, it was SBC/AT&T that started the whole "we want to add a third line of billing" to the whole debate as well.
See, companies like AT&T love to play games with their billing and other practices. They sell you a product for $14.95, place a ton of terms and hurdles in your way.. then try to go after the areas of the internet for more money, spark up these NN law debates, sling mud at cable (who has, by the way, refused to play these same games with pricing) and make it Comcast's issue.
You'd have to be blind not to see through this.
Comcast hasn't made such a "beef" about upgrading their infrustructure. On the contrary, Ed Whitacker had numerous times. By large, comcast has more bandwidth to the consumer than AT&T does.. and probably will. To compare AT&T to comcast is a joke. | |
jp10558Premium
join:2005-06-24
Willseyville, NY | I think the point is AT&T is selling what they can provide, and aren't sending nasty letters to customers or randomly shutting down their connections.
I maintain that if comcast would just sell what their infrastructure could support (be that via caps, lower speeds, something else) rather than selling the world and cutting off customers who take advantage of that service... | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by jp10558:I think the point is AT&T is selling what they can provide, and aren't sending nasty letters to customers or randomly shutting down their connections. No - they have other issues. AT&T won't sell static IP addresses on residential accounts any more. They will lock you into contracts with usually lower speeds than cable and other things. That's what makes DSL and Cable different.. Cable also is a different technology and has a set of it's own limitations the same as DSL having limitations like distance and speed.
I maintain that if comcast would just sell what their infrastructure could support (be that via caps, lower speeds, something else) rather than selling the world and cutting off customers who take advantage of that service... Why should they? They actually ARE selling what they can.. a residential service. Let me say this.. when ever you start to have node slowdowns, the culprit is usually a hog.. it's usually someone running a server and running their service wide open 24/7.
Remember our short term resident YouTube friend who was on a mission to "get comcast" and "expose them" after he was cut off for using too much BW? (I guess he got far with that...) He is a poster child for why your nodes slow down. He's the guy that many people come to complain about their slowdowns, yet people turn around and defend him.
Cable puts a term in the agreement and state things, very clearly, that there are no servers allowed. They also define the service as a "typical residential use" service, yet people work full strength to redefine what residential service is by what a few % of people want to use it for and then cry foul.
You did say something right, but I'll twist your words. "... customers who take advantage of that service"... "take advantage" is right. This is no different that those that run a business from home, use a residential line, get shut off when caught, and then say "well, I'm using it in my HOME, how dare they".. it's not where.. and not what you say you're using it for as an excuse.. it's the type of use and patterns that they define the service as. It's not new.. if you don't know that, then it can be said that one is not taking the time to educate themselves on what they have.
I don't want my speeds lowered, caps placed on me, higher rates, or "something else" placed on me simply because a small, and I do mean small, percentage of people want to "take advantage" of a service beyond what it was intended for while setting their own definitions in the mean time.
And, to be honest with you, no, AT&T is NOT selling what they can provide. They, unlike cable, give a VERY wide range of speeds to cover. For example, the 1.5/384 line is really a 385 to 1.5 down service and UP TO 384 line. A 3.0/512 line is really a 1.5 to 3.0 line. Wow! If they get you AT LEAST the 1.5 or evev 1.6, then they've met the speed tier they sold you. That's a pretty large margin there.
Also, they don't even get you that 1.5 because they charge YOU the overhead in the speeds. A 1.5 line would get you no more than about 1.2mb service at best minus overhead. A PRO/PLUS to cable is that they tend to over provision the cable modem (a 6mb will be set for 6.6) to compensate for the over head. Node conditions will cause slow downs from that, but at least that's something favorable for cable.
The fact is - they are two different products and it's KNOWN that there are different quarks about each service. The same can be said about satellite vs cable vs fiber vs IPTV. Yet, people continually try to compare them as they should be equal - they aren't. You can't say "at least AT&T doesn't.. " wanna bet? They have it in their TOS agreement that they can.. the fact they don't - that often - doesn't mean they can't, or won't. If they didn't want the option, it wouldn't be in the TOS. Think about that one... | |
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