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pointer to a relevant law that says the university is required to conduct discovery (on their dime) for the RIAA - that's the real issue here.
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Unfortunately nasadude, htere is a bill being presented for higher schooling to police the student body AND the RIAA presented a tool that the schools could use... of course, the tool reports all sorts of invasive info directly to RIAA if I recall correctly. I REALLY hope that this is killed in comittee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19558075 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:01:52 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19557926 bear73 : WOW HTC.... you went from a discussion about how the OR AG is calling out the RIAA onto the carpet to answer for their practicies and teh legality of their actions to dowsnloaders and copyright infringment... Answer me this Batman... HOW does hte AG calling out the RIAA have ANYTHING to do with copyright infringement?
...and no, you cannot use the argument of '...well if they weren't pirating then we wouldn't be breaking the law...' cuz ya have to be on the RIGHT side to throw stones...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19557926 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:40:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19553405 Yauch : First Godwin I've seen around here in a while. Congratulations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19553405 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:59:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19552128 Piggie : So it's ok for the RIAA to break the law with it's tatics? The Attorney General is doing his job. Stopping illegal harassment that is no more legal than stealing the music.

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It's all just karma. The RIAA has been stealing from musicians for years and now it's time to cash in their bad karma like it or not.

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I have several friends that are musicians that put out their own albums. Without the details, the record companies and RIAA take so much money in the process here is how it breaks down in summary.

Artist sells his own albums he had pressed. He buys and selling 1,000 of them. He makes about $8000 at least, and only sells them for $10 each.

Artist goes with a label. They press 10,000 (ten times the number of albums) albums, selling them for $16 or more each.
Artist still makes only about $8000 for the sale of ten times as many albums.

So to support your local or other artists buy their direct albums, usually cheaper and keeps them in a roof and bread to keep jamming.

DO NOT buy anymore records from major labels. Because they have been stealing most of the profit from music for years and doing nothing to earn it.

PS: Don't blame the record store either. Of the $16 you pay, WalMart makes a buck or two. The artist might make $1.25 on the album. RIAA and Recored Lables keep the other about 80% of the profits.

PSS: Artists out there. Albums are cheap to print. You can print in 1000 lots for about $1.20 per CD. Not burned but pressed CD's with a J card and clam shell, shrink wrapped in boxes ready to sell.

Remember too you only have to sell one album for every 10 you would have to sell if you sign with a big label.

Thank you RIAA .......... NOT!!!!!!!!!
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said by Ignite :

You really should consider writing for an extreme right wing / facist tabloid with skills and viewpoints like that :)

The Mein Kampf Daily?
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You're a little dark today kettle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19550283 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:35:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549935 nasadude :

said by grandpinaple :

... some two bit evil corporation ...

I take exception to that!

they're not two-bit corporations, they're MEGACORPS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549935 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:18:30 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549901 grandpinaple : You'd place the interest of some two bit evil corporation over the interests of your child?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549901 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:13:09 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549876 Ignite :

said by TKJunkMail :

Theft is a perfectly adequate generic short form that describes the underlying immorality of copyright infringement.

Just as extortion is a perfectly adequate generic short form that describes the underlying immorality of the RIAA's ways of performing discovery and obtaining relief for the infringements. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549876 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:08:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549444 TKJunkMail :

said by Ignite :

said by dispatcher21 :

Violating copyright is not theft but its still illegal. Read up on US Code Title 17.

Which has what to do with it not being theft? :)

Theft is a perfectly adequate generic short form that describes the underlying immorality of copyright infringement.
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said by dispatcher21 :

Violating copyright is not theft but its still illegal. Read up on US Code Title 17.

Which has what to do with it not being theft? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549431 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:27:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549279 nasadude :

said by TKJunkMail :

... While admitting that the responsible students should be identified, the state is throwing up barriers. ...

the state is actually following the law by 1) ensuring the students privacy is protected (there is a FEDERAL law that mandates this) and 2) making sure the RIAA follows the law.

Are you saying the university/state doesn't have the right to insist on proper legal procedures?

Also, if it's within your capability, I would appreciate an explanation or pointer to a relevant law that says the university is required to conduct discovery (on their dime) for the RIAA - that's the real issue here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549279 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:53:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549190 dispatcher21 : Violating copyright is not theft but its still illegal. Read up on US Code Title 17.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549190 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:34:50 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549161 TKJunkMail :

said by Ignite :

Nice post HCT, student thieves. You really should consider writing for an extreme right wing / facist tabloid with skills and viewpoints like that :)

Can I count on you for a reference when FoxNews evaluates my resume? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549161 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:28:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549071 Ignite : I do love that the priorities of an industry body may be placed above those of education. Comply with what big business tells you or your students' education will suffer. What a fantastic country.

Nice post HCT, student thieves. As you're well aware violating copyright isn't theft. You really should consider writing for an extreme right wing / facist tabloid with skills and viewpoints like that :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549071 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:00:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19549044 woody7 : I don't think he is condoning illegal activities, just the way the RIAA is going about it. Isn't that the responsibility of the AG, to protect the people of their state? For the record I don't download, nor do I support illegal activities. I just believe there is a right way and a wrong way to do things, Peace
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Maybe when the US Congress starts cutting off their education funding if the new proposed law is passed, the attorney general's office will change their tune.
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