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Tzale
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| Re: What Credibility? I read that statement as deploying to all neighborhoods rather than just deploying to neighborhoods where demographics indicate the best potential subscriber pool. Apparently they believe Verizon has not been fairly allocating their investments.
There's nothing wrong with this. Verizon shareholders expect management to invest with the best possible return. However, if Verizon uses even a dime of the USF slush fund or leverages any tax incentives, they are feeding at the public trough and their interests are in conflict.
I have a fix for this...end the corporate welfare. If your blood boils over initiatives like national health care, look around. At best, that type of policy is only half the story. | |
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Hazelwood, MO | Re: What Credibility? Any and all welfare for any specific group should be eliminated. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? I don't think that fair to say...just because welfare helps a majority of, say, black people in inner cities doesn't mean Appalachian and Midwest white folks don't get any of it either.
Its not a specific group being targeted, you mention this like as only a black single mother getting help is bad...lol, its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? said by FiL  :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world.
We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty.
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| Re: What Credibility? said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Bullshit, tell your crock of shit to the people who are 1 paycheck away from the streets, poor is poor, dead is dead.
No matter where you are.
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| Re: What Credibility? said by gaforces :Bullshit, tell your crock of shit to the people who are 1 paycheck away from the streets, poor is poor, dead is dead. No matter where you are. Tell that to people who have lived on their streets their entire lives.
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4 edits | Re: What Credibility? VExec1: Yah the reports say we will make more poor people if we dont deploy to some less dense areas.
Vexec2: Too bad, we have a responsibility to our shareholders, besides, those poor people here live like kings compared to some other countrys ...
Vexec1: Sounds good, screwem.
Most people living on the streets in the US dont last more than 5 years. They fall through the cracks, most wont go to homeless shelters, and they die or go to jail.
Exposure by hypothermia:
"Stages in humans
Normal body temperature in humans is 37°C (98.6°F). Hypothermia can be divided in three stages of severity.
In stage 1, body temperature drops by 1-2°C below normal temperature (1.8-3.6°F). Mild to strong shivering occurs. The victim is unable to perform complex tasks with the hands; the hands become numb. Blood vessels in the outer extremities constrict, lessening heat loss to the outside air. Breathing becomes quick and shallow. Goose bumps form, raising body hair on end in an attempt to create an insulating layer of air around the body (limited use in humans due to lack of sufficient hair, but useful in other species). Often, a person will experience a warm sensation, as if they have recovered, but they are in fact heading into Stage 2. Another test to see if the person is entering stage 2 is if they are unable to touch their thumb with their little finger; this is the first stage of muscles not working.
In stage 2, body temperature drops by 2-4°C (3.6-7.2°F). Shivering becomes more violent. Muscle mis-coordination becomes apparent. Movements are slow and labored, accompanied by a stumbling pace and mild confusion, although the victim may appear alert. Surface blood vessels contract further as the body focuses its remaining resources on keeping the vital organs warm. The victim becomes pale. Lips, ears, fingers and toes may become blue.
In stage 3, body temperature drops below approximately 32°C (90°F). Shivering usually stops. Difficulty speaking, sluggish thinking, and amnesia start to appear; inability to use hands and stumbling are also usually present. Cellular metabolic processes shut down. Below 30°C (86°F) the exposed skin becomes blue and puffy, muscle coordination very poor, walking nearly impossible, and the victim exhibits incoherent/irrational behavior including terminal burrowing or even a stupor. Pulse and respiration rates decrease significantly but fast heart rates (ventricular tachycardia, atrial fibrillation) can occur. Major organs fail. Clinical death occurs. Because of decreased cellular activity in stage 3 hypothermia, the body will actually take longer to undergo brain death."
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: What Credibility? How did Verizon make anyone "poor?"
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| Re: What Credibility? Some people are content with 15th place for world broadband deployment. Others of which I am included, see that our future depends on it, and see that a few big companys are content with the status quo where they can still keep making billions with little effort.
Looking to thier shareholder profit at the detriment to the whole country, and getting away with it by bribes through a corrupt lobbying system where only the people with money have a say.
All the while, other countrys who are interested in leading technology in the future, without thinking of selfish short term money grubbing, are way ahead of us in tech with the ability to jump ahead in leaps faster than we can.
Leaving the US as bottom of the world barrel.
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| Re: What Credibility? said by gaforces :Some people are content with 15th place for world broadband deployment. Others of which I am included, see that our future depends on it, and see that a few big companys are content with the status quo where they can still keep making billions with little effort. So what do you want Verizon to do?
The only way we can resolve this problem is to encourage more companies like Verizon to run fiber and to make other investments into infrastructure. You should be praising Verizon for making the risky investments needed to deliver better broadband.
If Verizon investors make billions off the deal, that only proves that they made the correct investment.
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4 edits | Re: What Credibility? Other companys that could afford to invest arent, because they have no competition/reason to. For around 8 years we've had DSL here, I figure that is enough profit made by SBC/ATT to have upgraded our area 2x+ over.
I'll praise Verizon when they offer FIOS in my area, oh but they cant, this is SBC/ATT territory.
They are definitly smarter than SBC/ATT by investing into thier network to compete better with cable, small isp, and cell providers. Even at 20/20 it still would put us behind the world standings.
Its risky not to invest in infrastructure, even if they can only make more profit (Urban), and less profit (rural areas) they should still have to serve areas in thier "territory" or give up the urban areas near where they wont deploy.
If you want your cake, you must eat more vegetables and meat like substance. UK translation, How can ye have any pudding if ye dont eat yer meat?
Having 1 company that is better than the rest of our lousy 15th place standing is better than nothing, so "atta boy" Verizon.
I can almost hear ye now.
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Tzale
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| said by gaforces :Some people are content with 15th place for world broadband deployment. Others of which I am included, see that our future depends on it, and see that a few big companys are content with the status quo where they can still keep making billions with little effort. Looking to thier shareholder profit at the detriment to the whole country, and getting away with it by bribes through a corrupt lobbying system where only the people with money have a say. All the while, other countrys who are interested in leading technology in the future, without thinking of selfish short term money grubbing, are way ahead of us in tech with the ability to jump ahead in leaps faster than we can. Leaving the US as bottom of the world barrel. WTF do you want Verizon to do????? Verizon is a public company, they ARE going to want to turn a profit at the end of the quarter... What don't you get????? Verizon is not going to wire up the hood just so they can have their lines cut or their workers shot at.... And no one will want it or be able to afford it there anyway.... Someday, YES... But for now, it is expensive and Verizon is only going to deploy to places that they are guaranteed a good return.... And I've seen VZ deploying in lower income places here in NJ, so I think that the entire conspiracy theory is complete BS... I'd say they are avoiding deploying their heavily, but it's not avoided completely!
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1 edit | Re: What Credibility? Bump out the 100/100 (ipv6 compatible) quick as they can, so that others will have to re-think thier deployments seriously.
Get USF priority re-allocated to deployment in rural areas, so its not such a burden on this poor company. | |
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1 edit | Re: What Credibility? said by gaforces :Bump out the 100/100 (ipv6 compatible) quick as they can, so that others will have to re-think thier deployments seriously. Get USF priority re-allocated to deployment in rural areas, so its not such a burden on this poor company. I'd say 30/5, 20/5 and 20/20 is a pretty good start. Don't forget that without Verizon FiOS, there would be NO competition in the broadband world... Cable VS DSL was not really "competition." FIOS is FORCING cable companies to rethink their strategies. You just can't offer 100/100... That would require a massive restructuring of the backbones. Right now, Verizon is handling FiOS bandwidth quite well and they're expanding bandwidth occasionally... I'd say within 5 years or less we'll be at 100/100. There is really no "need" for 100/100 right now outside of warez... I am a HEAVY user and I only need 20/5 to get most of my work done, 20/20 is overkill for me.
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| said by gaforces :said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Bullshit, tell your crock of shit to the people who are 1 paycheck away from the streets, poor is poor, dead is dead. No matter where you are. The only difference is that the "poor" people here have thousands of "rich" people for each of themselves... Therefore, it isn't as "bad" as it would be if EVERYONE was "poor."
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| said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. While I agree that poverty overseas can be much more extreme, those are generally in much more impoverished nations as a whole. For the richest country in the world to balk at helping their own is sad, very sad. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? said by viperlmw :Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. However, even those people have access to shelters, food banks, charities, and emergency rooms for healthcare. Poor people in third world countries don't get anything like that.
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| Re: What Credibility? said by pnh102 :said by viperlmw :Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. However, even those people have access to shelters, food banks, charities, and emergency rooms for healthcare. Poor people in third world countries don't get anything like that. But the initial discussion revolved around the idea of removing all welfare...
i.e. getting rid of shelters, food banks, free medical, etc.
Poor people in 3rd world countries do have far better access to subsistence living than those living in poverty in the United States. Remove those social supports, and you will see the poverty class dying off quicker than the subsistence poor in the third world.
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| Are there no homeless shelters ?
Are there no government homes ?
In So-Cal, you don't even have to be legal status in this country to get free (or close to free) housing, food stamps, WIC, schools, medical, you name it.
It also never freezes, so, technically it isn't impossible to live outdoors, and there are still plenty of homeless shelters.
If there were in North Dakota or MN, then there would be issues.
What typically happens is that
a) The rich get richer by being able to find tax loopholes.
b) The poor get enough assistance to survive or join the bottom end of the working world so that they can spend (which is what the economy is based on).
c) Middle class is taxed to death by the rest of the economy.
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North Andover, MA | Re: What Credibility? Actually the rich do most of the spending as well. Poor people are too poor to do much spending. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? Somewhat true...
Rich do more spending, in general (yeah they buy a lot of stuff), however, much of it is purchased through corporate resources, or as a method of tax reduction where possible (i.e. tax advisor/CPA will help to funnel cash into a purchase into a tax deductable item).
The poor can't afford anything (which is why corporations are ALWAYS giving items to the poor - gotta get them into the 'system' of spending to make money, credit/debt, etc. ). Gov't healthcare, bicycling, walking, rabbit ears, shelters, soup kitchens do not generate money.
Middle class is already there.. spending on daycare, clothes, sports, vehicles, insurance, TV, cable, phone, blah blah blah..
Middle class is '2 paychecks from bankruptcy'. In So-Cal, there were ~70k homes that were lost to the banks as many purchased homes they couldn't afford.
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| Re: What Credibility? Rich do more spending, in general (yeah they buy a lot of stuff), however, much of it is purchased through I'm not sure where you get your numbers, or what you mean by much of "it"; but the fact is that the richest 20% account for more than 60% of consumer spending.
The poor and middle class already tapped their full discretionary income, and then some, long ago, and essentially make up the inflation portion of spending growth.
I'm not sure why you mention bankruptcies in So-Cal; which were just as much a function of fraud, excessive price appreciation, and re-fi consumption as anything else. | |
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| said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. You must have really lived a charmed existance to be so ignorant that there are truly poor people in the US.
We aren't talking about poor in the sense that they cannot afford the next game system. We are talking about poor in the sense that they don't know if they can afford their next meal.
You don't see them, because you grew up sheltered and safe. A study into rural Appalachia will set you straight. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? said by thevorpal :We aren't talking about poor in the sense that they cannot afford the next game system. We are talking about poor in the sense that they don't know if they can afford their next meal. Please. The USA is the only country where people of lesser means are more likely to have obesity-related health problems than to die of starvation.
Where are all these people dying of starvation in the USA because they cannot afford their next meal? If there are so many, surely we'd be hearing about it.
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| Re: What Credibility? said by pnh102 :Please. The USA is the only country where people of lesser means are more likely to have obesity-related health problems than to die of starvation. Ignorance of the reasons why that is the case is clear on your part... Before you use that as a reason as to why the poor in America are so good off, perhaps you should understand why that is a case.
The fact that the poor are obese doesn't actually support your case at all and you would know that if you had a clue why it is that way instead of just blithely using an argument posed by talk show radio blow hards who don't have a clue. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? said by FactChecker :
The fact that the poor are obese doesn't actually support your case at all ... Hello?
If you are obese, then there is a 99.999999999999999% chance you are not starving.
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| Re: What Credibility? said by pnh102 :said by FactChecker :
The fact that the poor are obese doesn't actually support your case at all ... Hello? If you are obese, then there is a 99.999999999999999% chance you are not starving. But there is a pretty high chance that you are malnourished, which will kill you just as readily as starvation.
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| said by pnh102 :Hello? If you are obese, then there is a 99.999999999999999% chance you are not starving. You have missed the point and further illustrated a lack of knowledge on the topic of why under-priviledged people have a higher incidence of obesity.
When you have a clue about the how and why of obesity among the poor, you can talk about it. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? said by factchecker :
When you have a clue about the how and why of obesity among the poor, you can talk about it.
Since you apparently have a clue, why not enlighten us all? All you're saying is "Nu-uh you're wrong!!", albeit more eloquently. | |
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| said by factchecker :said by pnh102 :Hello? If you are obese, then there is a 99.999999999999999% chance you are not starving. You have missed the point and further illustrated a lack of knowledge on the topic of why under-priviledged people have a higher incidence of obesity. When you have a clue about the how and why of obesity among the poor, you can talk about it. Poorer education and/or less ability to delay gratification. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? said by cdigioia :Poorer education and/or less ability to delay gratification. Not even close and a common stereotype and misconception...
It comes more from necessity than anything. Poorer people have to problems - they need to work more to make the same amount of money as others and their ability to purchase food is dictated by the amount of money they have.
In order to work more, expedience is required when getting food, eating, etc., meaning far less time to shop, cook, etc. So, food that is fact and cheap becomes the preferred choice.
What is fast and cheap - bingo, fast food.
Poorer people are far more likely to consume fast food than people with better incomes, etc. They are not eating significantly more than their peers who have better incomes, rather, the large amounts of fats and empty calories are what is getting to them.
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| Re: What Credibility? Not even close to better for me. If you like, you can read my later post where I address things in more detail, but as a synopsis.
Poor people work more?
I disagree, hourly workers tend to stay under 40 hours a week. Salaried jobs (which tend to be held by the better educated) have no overtime pay. I've seen this myself in my immediate family (hourly), and friends (both hourly and salaried). Not to mention it's intuitive.
Fast food is cheap
No it's not, read my later post about putting myself through college. Pasta is cheap, bananas are cheap, milk is cheap. a $6 meal at Burger King is not. From personal experience working at McDonalds in high school, the poorest people didn't go for the dollar menu as much as the meals. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? Read my later post. It addresses your issues.
As for your assertion that poor people only work under 40 hours per week... Poorer people are more likely to hold multiple jobs, demonstrated fact.
As for you not being "convinced", that does not change the data. You sound like you certainly have seen enough poverty around you, like most Americans, but seeing it and looking into it and researching its causes, problems and issues is a different thing. | |
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| said by FactChecker :said by pnh102 :Please. The USA is the only country where people of lesser means are more likely to have obesity-related health problems than to die of starvation. Ignorance of the reasons why that is the case is clear on your part... Before you use that as a reason as to why the poor in America are so good off, perhaps you should understand why that is a case. The fact that the poor are obese doesn't actually support your case at all and you would know that if you had a clue why it is that way instead of just blithely using an argument posed by talk show radio blow hards who don't have a clue. This is way off topic but we're so far from talking about corporate welfare (which is what I was talking about), what the hell....
I'm not a doctor so will someone who is please chime in? Can a person who is obese, provided their intestinal tract is normal, starve to death? Granted, if they go without food they may have a lot of problems from chemical imbalances since burning fat isn't very healthy but can we call this starving?
Lack of jobs or lack of government programs is not why there are a lot of homeless. Through no fault of their own I believe they create their own situation because of mental issues. Their mental state keeps them just unstable enough to fall through the cracks. Some of these issues might be fixable with various mental health medication. Other issues, whether due to life-long developmental challenges or self-inflicted drug addiction damage, cannot and will never be solved. The best we can do is institutionalize them. | |
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| Years ago, we were that poor. My wife and I worked shoveling out horse stalls. With no advanced education, our employment opportunities were limited. We had 2 small children, which we had to pay daycare for. I remember lots of meals of powdered eggs, gov't cheese, rice, things like that. We never had enough money to buy lunch, and often we'd feed the kids and go to bed hungry ourselves.
The poor exist in this country. You may not want to admit it, but they do. I saw on the news today a report of a couple and their grandmother starving twin boys. Accompanying that piece was a report of hunger in the U.S. This was on Fox News. They said that 16% of American children don't get enough to eat. You say "If there are so many, surely we'd be hearing about it." Well today, anyone watching Fox News heard about it.
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Powder Springs, GA | Re: What Credibility? Why did you have kids if you were knowningly not able to responsibly care for them? Please don't tell me that was Verizon's fault...or anyone other than yours. | |
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| Re: What Credibility? said by FAQFixer :Why did you have kids if you were knowningly not able to responsibly care for them? Please don't tell me that was Verizon's fault...or anyone other than yours. Because nobody has ever lost a job, had a life-changing accident, etc. etc. after having children, right?
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| Re: What Credibility? said by Rogue Wolf :said by FAQFixer :Why did you have kids if you were knowningly not able to responsibly care for them? Please don't tell me that was Verizon's fault...or anyone other than yours. Because nobody has ever lost a job, had a life-changing accident, etc. etc. after having children, right? No, he specifically said, "With no advanced education, our employment opportunities were limited." He did not lose his job or have an accident...he and his wife did not seek an education or skills to get a decent job yet they choose to have kids. | |
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North Andover, MA | Re: What Credibility? Or they didn't "choose" to have kids. Many kids come to be, without an educated choice. | |
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| But how did you get that poor? Why did you increase your burden by having children if you were that poor? Did you lose your job(s) as a result of a business closing or relocating? Where is your family? Mother? Father? Sister? Brother?
If anyone in my extended family were in need, my door would be open. Food, clothes, shelter -- anything they need for as long as they need it. I'm by no means rich but I spend (waste) a lot of "disposable" income and that could be diverted to help family in need.
The difference is I choose to help rather than have socialists take it from me because I happen to be, as they put it, a winner in life's lottery. And I'm not just talking about social welfare but corporate welfare. It's ridiculous that I pay fees on my phone service to fund wires running in Timbuktu. Funding broadband deployment in this same manner is just a different shade of gray.
If we think it's such a good policy, why don't the people in these areas pass a property tax or sales tax and give it to mega-corporation X to bring service to their area? I'll tell you why this isn't done. Lots of small piles of money disperses power. If a central government body can collect billions, they have a lot of control. With control comes power -- what every human from the bottom-feeder cops (not all but too many) who revel in beating the shit out of someone because of the power trip to high-profile politicians who treat us like they own us.
Regarding your signature, it disappoints me when people point out CEO pay without also considering professional athletes and entertainers. It's like crying about social welfare without considering corporate welfare.
I don't disagree that CEO pay is ridiculous, especially when a lot of them are paid millions to leave after they make the company worse. However, entertainers, pro athletes and just about any celebrity all have exorbitant salaries with astronomical growth well beyond that which they deserve. It's not just CEOs making a money grab. | |
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join:2007-11-16
Alexandria, VA
| Are you familiar with what these people have to eat? Subsidized food from the government is often all they have. Our government takes care of them, and that is the only reason they aren't starving to death.
You can quickly become obese from eating the food available to the truly destitute in America. It is well known that the food these people receive from support groups is often little more than pure carbohydrates with little to no nutritional value.
It is a sad state of affairs that they are provided plenty of 'food' but are still actually starving. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| I can't be sure (I didn't read all the replies) but I don't think anyone played the race card. The fact that people seem to associate certain races with welfare deserves its own topic.
To be clear, I'm not focusing on "social welfare". I'm asking for folks to open their eyes and realize how much money this government takes from us and gives to rich companies and, indirectly, rich people. I believe we generally do this with the best intentions but the abuse is sickening. And...at the end of the day these same welfare addicts rape us again with ridiculous prices, litigation if they cannot put a green refrigerator in your front yard and tear out your hedgerow and crappy, half-baked products. Somewhere there should be a REFUND button. | |
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IT Guy
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join:2004-07-29
Las Cruces, NM
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| said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Wow! what a heartless thing to say... Come to New Mexico if you want to get a real picture of how poor people in the U.S. live. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | This isn't a third world Country.
Well... it isn't..... Yet. | |
| | bored_in_nh
join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY | I think you mentioned three key letters ... USF
They are more than in conflict, as you state it, they are as PC World states, stifling broadband deployment. The USF funds are to be used not just in areas where the biggest ROI will fire off. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | said by Tzale :PC World has lost even more credibility as soon as I saw they included Verizon for their "fight against even broadband deployment." GET REAL! -Tzale I thought the article was suprisingly pro-consumer/tech for PCWORLD.
The author was correct to point out Verizons reluctance to deploy even broadband deployment.
Collecting USF and not deploying fairly is a definitly a conflict of interest to the public who pays the USF.
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‘Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,
Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
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| jdracer47
join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| So you live in Jersey and are expecting Fios? Try living in many of Verizon's territories that do not even have DSL deployed and will never see Fios. It took PA Legislation to FORCE Verizon to deploy DSL to my community (Act 183). If not for the legislation it would have been a long time until any service at all was deployed. I get a little tired of Verizon fan-boys defending the company due to FTTH. There were many areas completely ignored during DSL deployment that continue to be ignored while Fios is being deployed to areas that had 4-5 other ISP choices already. | |
| | PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: What Credibility? said by jdracer47 :So you live in Jersey and are expecting Fios? Try living in many of Verizon's territories that do not even have DSL deployed and will never see Fios. It took PA Legislation to FORCE Verizon to deploy DSL to my community (Act 183). If not for the legislation it would have been a long time until any service at all was deployed. I get a little tired of Verizon fan-boys defending the company due to FTTH. There were many areas completely ignored during DSL deployment that continue to be ignored while Fios is being deployed to areas that had 4-5 other ISP choices already. WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For every FOIS-enabled area that like Verizon, because they gave them another choice fro a TV provider, there are many, many areas (like mine) where Verizon is on the most-hated list: areas where Verizon has told the local franchise regulators that they'll never get FIOS, and where Verizon has not even deployed DSL, and probably never will. | |
| SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| said by Tzale :PC World has lost even more credibility as soon as I saw they included Verizon for their "fight against even broadband deployment." GET REAL! -Tzale Regardless of what your opinion of the "credibility" factor of PC World is, how can you even dispute that the **AA's are anti-technology? Have you not been paying attention to their revenue generation by litigation business model? The entire crux of that effort is to quash P2P technology. You don't need to read in a magazine to realize that sort of behavior, is, in and of itself, is anti-technology. | |
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