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Re: What Credibility? Any and all welfare for any specific group should be eliminated. |
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Silver Spring, MD | I don't think that fair to say...just because welfare helps a majority of, say, black people in inner cities doesn't mean Appalachian and Midwest white folks don't get any of it either.
Its not a specific group being targeted, you mention this like as only a black single mother getting help is bad...lol, its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by FiL:its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world.
We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty.
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Santa Cruz, CA | said by pnh102:said by FiL:its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Bullshit, tell your crock of shit to the people who are 1 paycheck away from the streets, poor is poor, dead is dead.
No matter where you are.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by gaforces:Bullshit, tell your crock of shit to the people who are 1 paycheck away from the streets, poor is poor, dead is dead. No matter where you are. Tell that to people who have lived on their streets their entire lives.
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said by pnh102:said by FiL:its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. While I agree that poverty overseas can be much more extreme, those are generally in much more impoverished nations as a whole. For the richest country in the world to balk at helping their own is sad, very sad. |
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gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
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VExec1: Yah the reports say we will make more poor people if we dont deploy to some less dense areas.
Vexec2: Too bad, we have a responsibility to our shareholders, besides, those poor people here live like kings compared to some other countrys ...
Vexec1: Sounds good, screwem.
Most people living on the streets in the US dont last more than 5 years. They fall through the cracks, most wont go to homeless shelters, and they die or go to jail.
Exposure by hypothermia:
"Stages in humans
Normal body temperature in humans is 37°C (98.6°F). Hypothermia can be divided in three stages of severity.
In stage 1, body temperature drops by 1-2°C below normal temperature (1.8-3.6°F). Mild to strong shivering occurs. The victim is unable to perform complex tasks with the hands; the hands become numb. Blood vessels in the outer extremities constrict, lessening heat loss to the outside air. Breathing becomes quick and shallow. Goose bumps form, raising body hair on end in an attempt to create an insulating layer of air around the body (limited use in humans due to lack of sufficient hair, but useful in other species). Often, a person will experience a warm sensation, as if they have recovered, but they are in fact heading into Stage 2. Another test to see if the person is entering stage 2 is if they are unable to touch their thumb with their little finger; this is the first stage of muscles not working.
In stage 2, body temperature drops by 2-4°C (3.6-7.2°F). Shivering becomes more violent. Muscle mis-coordination becomes apparent. Movements are slow and labored, accompanied by a stumbling pace and mild confusion, although the victim may appear alert. Surface blood vessels contract further as the body focuses its remaining resources on keeping the vital organs warm. The victim becomes pale. Lips, ears, fingers and toes may become blue.
In stage 3, body temperature drops below approximately 32°C (90°F). Shivering usually stops. Difficulty speaking, sluggish thinking, and amnesia start to appear; inability to use hands and stumbling are also usually present. Cellular metabolic processes shut down. Below 30°C (86°F) the exposed skin becomes blue and puffy, muscle coordination very poor, walking nearly impossible, and the victim exhibits incoherent/irrational behavior including terminal burrowing or even a stupor. Pulse and respiration rates decrease significantly but fast heart rates (ventricular tachycardia, atrial fibrillation) can occur. Major organs fail. Clinical death occurs. Because of decreased cellular activity in stage 3 hypothermia, the body will actually take longer to undergo brain death."
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermi···n_humans
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to viperlmw
said by viperlmw:Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. However, even those people have access to shelters, food banks, charities, and emergency rooms for healthcare. Poor people in third world countries don't get anything like that.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to gaforces
How did Verizon make anyone "poor?"
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 en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | reply to viperlmw
Are there no homeless shelters ?
Are there no government homes ?
In So-Cal, you don't even have to be legal status in this country to get free (or close to free) housing, food stamps, WIC, schools, medical, you name it.
It also never freezes, so, technically it isn't impossible to live outdoors, and there are still plenty of homeless shelters.
If there were in North Dakota or MN, then there would be issues.
What typically happens is that
a) The rich get richer by being able to find tax loopholes.
b) The poor get enough assistance to survive or join the bottom end of the working world so that they can spend (which is what the economy is based on).
c) Middle class is taxed to death by the rest of the economy.
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said by pnh102:said by FiL:its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. You must have really lived a charmed existance to be so ignorant that there are truly poor people in the US.
We aren't talking about poor in the sense that they cannot afford the next game system. We are talking about poor in the sense that they don't know if they can afford their next meal.
You don't see them, because you grew up sheltered and safe. A study into rural Appalachia will set you straight. |
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gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Santa Cruz, CA | reply to pnh102
Some people are content with 15th place for world broadband deployment. Others of which I am included, see that our future depends on it, and see that a few big companys are content with the status quo where they can still keep making billions with little effort.
Looking to thier shareholder profit at the detriment to the whole country, and getting away with it by bribes through a corrupt lobbying system where only the people with money have a say.
All the while, other countrys who are interested in leading technology in the future, without thinking of selfish short term money grubbing, are way ahead of us in tech with the ability to jump ahead in leaps faster than we can.
Leaving the US as bottom of the world barrel.
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‘Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,
Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to en102
Actually the rich do most of the spending as well. Poor people are too poor to do much spending. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to thevorpal
said by thevorpal:We aren't talking about poor in the sense that they cannot afford the next game system. We are talking about poor in the sense that they don't know if they can afford their next meal. Please. The USA is the only country where people of lesser means are more likely to have obesity-related health problems than to die of starvation.
Where are all these people dying of starvation in the USA because they cannot afford their next meal? If there are so many, surely we'd be hearing about it.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to gaforces
said by gaforces:Some people are content with 15th place for world broadband deployment. Others of which I am included, see that our future depends on it, and see that a few big companys are content with the status quo where they can still keep making billions with little effort. So what do you want Verizon to do?
The only way we can resolve this problem is to encourage more companies like Verizon to run fiber and to make other investments into infrastructure. You should be praising Verizon for making the risky investments needed to deliver better broadband.
If Verizon investors make billions off the deal, that only proves that they made the correct investment.
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said by pnh102:Please. The USA is the only country where people of lesser means are more likely to have obesity-related health problems than to die of starvation. Ignorance of the reasons why that is the case is clear on your part... Before you use that as a reason as to why the poor in America are so good off, perhaps you should understand why that is a case.
The fact that the poor are obese doesn't actually support your case at all and you would know that if you had a clue why it is that way instead of just blithely using an argument posed by talk show radio blow hards who don't have a clue. |
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rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | reply to pnh102
I can't be sure (I didn't read all the replies) but I don't think anyone played the race card. The fact that people seem to associate certain races with welfare deserves its own topic.
To be clear, I'm not focusing on "social welfare". I'm asking for folks to open their eyes and realize how much money this government takes from us and gives to rich companies and, indirectly, rich people. I believe we generally do this with the best intentions but the abuse is sickening. And...at the end of the day these same welfare addicts rape us again with ridiculous prices, litigation if they cannot put a green refrigerator in your front yard and tear out your hedgerow and crappy, half-baked products. Somewhere there should be a REFUND button. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to FactChecker
said by FactChecker :
The fact that the poor are obese doesn't actually support your case at all ... Hello?
If you are obese, then there is a 99.999999999999999% chance you are not starving.
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rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | reply to FactChecker
said by FactChecker :said by pnh102:Please. The USA is the only country where people of lesser means are more likely to have obesity-related health problems than to die of starvation. Ignorance of the reasons why that is the case is clear on your part... Before you use that as a reason as to why the poor in America are so good off, perhaps you should understand why that is a case. The fact that the poor are obese doesn't actually support your case at all and you would know that if you had a clue why it is that way instead of just blithely using an argument posed by talk show radio blow hards who don't have a clue. This is way off topic but we're so far from talking about corporate welfare (which is what I was talking about), what the hell....
I'm not a doctor so will someone who is please chime in? Can a person who is obese, provided their intestinal tract is normal, starve to death? Granted, if they go without food they may have a lot of problems from chemical imbalances since burning fat isn't very healthy but can we call this starving?
Lack of jobs or lack of government programs is not why there are a lot of homeless. Through no fault of their own I believe they create their own situation because of mental issues. Their mental state keeps them just unstable enough to fall through the cracks. Some of these issues might be fixable with various mental health medication. Other issues, whether due to life-long developmental challenges or self-inflicted drug addiction damage, cannot and will never be solved. The best we can do is institutionalize them. |
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Years ago, we were that poor. My wife and I worked shoveling out horse stalls. With no advanced education, our employment opportunities were limited. We had 2 small children, which we had to pay daycare for. I remember lots of meals of powdered eggs, gov't cheese, rice, things like that. We never had enough money to buy lunch, and often we'd feed the kids and go to bed hungry ourselves.
The poor exist in this country. You may not want to admit it, but they do. I saw on the news today a report of a couple and their grandmother starving twin boys. Accompanying that piece was a report of hunger in the U.S. This was on Fox News. They said that 16% of American children don't get enough to eat. You say "If there are so many, surely we'd be hearing about it." Well today, anyone watching Fox News heard about it.
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