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jono181
join:2004-06-05
Toronto, ON | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 What do you mean throttling will be free? | |
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rbmk
join:2007-02-18
Toronto, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| My usage stuck on Nov 27, so obviously it has issues. If they start charging people, then they better fix that first.
Also they will not remove throttling, because cable has a very weak TDMA(CDMA?) upstream, which p2p heavily relies on. Without throttling being there, the system will choke. | |
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Sears
@rogers.com
| Well if this comes to pass, I will finally ditch rogers for good. Throttling and charging for overuseage, thats a bit much for me.
Considering that most days I can't even login, and when I can the meter is messed up. Like the previous poster, mine is still stuck in November. | |
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Rogers user
@rogers.com | Arent they supposed to give us 30 days notice for this kind of change? | |
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TelecomZombie
@rogers.com | Rogers will be warning subscribers via their invoicing with a 3 month grace period. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 No, they don't need to give 30 days notice.
Note that this is anonymous rumour at this stage. It was supposed to start happening this fall ... they still haven't got the usage meter working properly. | |
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lalalaaaaaa
@rogers.com
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 said by sbrook  :they still haven't got the usage meter working properly. meaning that if they Charge for going over you can take them to court because the usage meter is not 100% working.
so you and rogers dont know the real usage unless you run a Usage Program on your computer(s).
and users can use the BBR website as evidence to it not working 100% | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 even running a usage program on your compy doesn't help if you have a network. | |
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COMPETE
@pathcom.com
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 said by sbrook :even running a usage program on your compy doesn't help if you have a network. I think the Linksys WRT54G with Tomato firmware can show the amount of bandwidth used as it has a Bandwidth monitor right in the router. Support some of the Buffalo routers too. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 if it can segregate wan traffic from lan traffic, yes. | |
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kalak
@rogers.com
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 said by sbrook :if it can segregate wan traffic from lan traffic, yes. Yes, it can. The Bandwidth History log (daily, weekly or monthly with user selectable start of monthly cycle date) is for WAN port bandwidth only. LAN traffic log is only kept for the last 24 hours.
Actually, the excellent bandwidth monitor is the main reason I chose Tomato firmware over others. | |
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jono181
join:2004-06-05
Toronto, ON
1 edit | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 said by kalak :said by sbrook :if it can segregate wan traffic from lan traffic, yes. Yes, it can. The Bandwidth History log (daily, weekly or monthly with user selectable start of monthly cycle date) is for WAN port bandwidth only. LAN traffic log is only kept for the last 24 hours. Actually, the excellent bandwidth monitor is the main reason I chose Tomato firmware over others. To just get the WAN bandwidth monitoring would I just exclude br0, and eth1? That would just leave vlan1. Correct? | |
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liquidzyklon
join:2001-06-24
Scarborough, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Yes, I use Tomato as well to track my bandwidth. But I do notice some differences in tracking from Tomato compared to Rogers, mainly due to upload portion. For example, Tomato would report 0.5GB while Rogers would only report 0.3GB. And over the course of the month, the Tomato bandwidth would over-estimate my bandwidth usage compared to Roger's Bandwidth tracker. But it's still a good indicator when Roger's bandwidth tracker screws up.
I think the difference in reporting from Tomato and Rogers has to do with the network. For example, Tomato tracks everything that is leaving your IP including connections within Rogers' network. While I think Rogers' bandwidth tracker only track what leaves their network. What do you guys think? | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 Nope. Rogers tracks everything through your modem. They *may* be subtracting an allowance for things you can't help. | |
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Kalnick
@cvgs.net
| said by sbrook :No, they don't need to give 30 days notice. Actualy I do belive that under the new comsumer protection laws they do need to give 30 days notice of the emplamentation of the charge for overage program. Till now they have only said that charges may apply and have yet to charge overage on Extreme or below accounts. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 Looking at the Consumer Protection Act (which is a real mine field!), while this is true, the thing is that the basis on which they are implementing this ALREADY exist in the terms of service, so this is not an amendment as such.
One interesting thing though is that when they DO make amendments, renewals or extensions, they must offer you one of cancellation, or acceptance of the service unchanged. | |
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Kalnick
@cvgs.net | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 I belive that if you chose to cancle the service for a change of service matter that they are unable to charge you any penalties | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 You can argue that you shouldn't be charged ... but they CAN and WILL do so. | |
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Kalnick
@cvgs.net
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 If they implament a change in there TOS (This would include caps, charges ect...) and if you disagree with these changes you are able to terminate your service. Since usage of the service on your part indicates that you agree to comply with the TOS (as per the TOS). You have no other alternative but to cancle your service with them. Since they have change the service that you are paying for any previous comitments or contracts should be null and void should you decide not to accept the new TOS. I'm prety sure that is covered in the consumer protection act. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 There's nothing in the CPA that suggests that they can't charge any early termination fees. Therefore, you SHOULD be able to continue on AS BEFORE.
Implementing caps and charges etc is still within the existing terms of service ... that's the problem. | |
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lalalaaaaaa
@rogers.com | one of ISPs tryed to hide behind there TOS and the courts said that the TOS means nothing.. so with that being said the TOS means Nothing when it becomes a Lagal matter..
cant remember what ISP it was but it was posted on BBR.. | |
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lalalaaaaaa
@rogers.com | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 I also forgot to add that this was a Canadian Court and a Canadian ISP or was it a Canadian Cell Phone Provider?/ Damn cant remember.. But that dont matter because a TOS is a TOS and the Courts said that the Provider cant hide behind it. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Sorry, but what you've said also means nothing because if memory serves, the ISP in question did not provide a copy of the terms of service to the customer.
You cannot make a generalization like that and apply it to all cases. The terms of service are valid unless and until you can get them thrown out *in your case* in a court. Note too that a term that gets tossed does not always invalidate the whole terms of service. And note that just because *you* get a term tossed out in a court does not mean that your neighbour can get it tossed because his situation may be sufficiently different from yours.
If you want to get your ISP's terms tossed, then you'd better invest in legal opinion and then a court action.
Ontario's CP Act does allow you to toss one of Rogers terms, and that's the one that says you give up your right to take them to court.
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siiiigh
@swipnet.se | Why no mention of the fact that 50cents a gig is profiterring? There's laws against that. It literally costs them 1cent with their peering arrangements. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 and what magic hat have you pulled that 1 cent per gb from? | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
1 edit | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008
Peering is done between "equals" ...
vis Rogers, Cogeco, Shaw at the ISP level. Mostly it's done through Torix in the Toronto area. The goal here is that data is passed between equals with no charge except the transit costs to Torix or between the equals and the peers contributions to keep Torix running. Bell is not a participant in Torix and does little peering.
Peering is also done amongst transit bandwidth providers such as Cogent and Peer1. The idea being that Peer1 will carry so much Cogent traffic and Cogent will carry an equivalent amount of Peer1 traffic based on flat fees and significant differential bandwidth costs.
Either way costs still exist and they're certainly not at 1c per gb! | |
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beggerx
join:2006-08-04
f4e 6y7 | my "current usage" will end Jan 2nd, I am over the cap now, but there's no extra change. Does that mean I will get the charge on Jan 1st? | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 There has been no official announcement. Just lots of speculation. | |
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join:2006-03-24
North York, ON
 ·Acanac
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 NorthernPal, why did you feel the need to black out anything other than your Account Number? And if you're going to black out your monthly usage, make sure to black out the % on the right as well :P
Noticed the same on my account today... guess that's why I kept getting 404 errors when trying to access it on Tuesday afternoon... | |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 said by Farshid420 :NorthernPal, why did you feel the need to black out anything other than your Account Number? I think that according to the time of day and usage Rogers would be able to tell who it was coming from. This way I think he's just making sure his privacy is kept.
Also in this pic is the notification history tab, I haven't noticed that before. | |
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HiVolt
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Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
1 edit | Re: Rogers Overages will be Chargeable as of Jan. 1st 2008 Looks like Rogers is finally getting ready to start charging, eh?
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slooow9
join:2002-01-13
Toronto, ON
| Guys,
Just want to confirm. I'm on EXPRESS, is the 60GB limit in effect as of now, today? I have yet to see this on the rogers website or received any notice. Sorry if I am looking at the wrong place. Just so frustrating accessing their website. Thanks | |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON | Re: Over-limit Charges Yes Express is 60Gig with 7Mbps. As soon as you log in under "your Rogers Services" click on Internet Usage and it will tell you. | |
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slooow9
join:2002-01-13
Toronto, ON | Yes, I see the limit but is it "enfoced" meaning you will actually be charged if you go over as of Jan 1 2008 ?
My bill cycle is 24th of every month. Does this mean I can still go all out up until Dec 31 2007 ? Thanks | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: Over-limit Charges As of today the only information that they'll start charging is based on unconfirmed rumours. Granted the rumours came from a source which is probably trustworthy, but that doesn't mean it will actually HAPPEN on Jan 1.
So, until Rogers actually PUBLISHES or PUTS THE CHARGES ON A BILL, we can only continue to treat this as rumour.
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON | Re: Over-limit Charges Does anyone know if someone has ever been charged yet for going over? | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Over-limit Charges only for Extreme Plus service which was chargeable from day 1
So, no, nobody knows of anyone having been charged ... and to be sure, you'd hear about it long and loud in here when it happens. | |
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MDoadkgn
@teksavvy.com | Ya thinking of going back if they still haven't or wouldn't implement the cap. DSL speed sucks. | |
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@rogers.com | I wasn't even able to log into my Rogers account until today, how can they charge you when you can't even check the bandwidth usage for 2/3 of your billing month? | |
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Solodxplex
@rogers.com | i use about 2000 gigs a month on rogers and i get no throtle
all they charge was a 50 feeso my bill is abouot 105 every month | |
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bricksterr
join:2004-08-10
3 edits | I haven't heard of any over charges yet but being that we're in the new month of January I'm sure some "insider" will post with absolute certainty that charges will be coming in February! Maybe the threat alone has helped Rogers.
One thing they have to do is fix their schizophrenic usage page. It has to be reliable if they expect their customers to be responsible for usage. At various times, including this last month, I've had over a weeks history of usage missing and at the bottom it's history notification states: "for days which are missing from your history then no usage was recorded." Checking back a few days later will show that the revisionist have gone back in my history and inserted the missing usage and the notice regarding history will also be altered to state: "The usage details listed on this page are not final until the end of your usage period." This garbage has been going on for months. I've even had different "history notifications" in the same day!
I can't police myself even if I wanted to because not even Rogers can help me!!! I don't want to be the rep who gets my call. | |
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