openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
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Re: Isps Build your Own!
said by Jodokast96  :Easier said than done my friend. So is line sharing and turning a sufficient profit. What is your suggestion? Let me guess, telecoms be a dumb pipe, leasing their cable to any ISP that wants in. Or, municipalities purchase the infrastructure from the telecoms and then they become the dumb pipe leasing to everyone? That sounds great, but it is easier said than done when you look at the financials involved. |
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| No, but that way is more doable than everyone building their own. You know it and I know it, if another competitor came in and tried to build their own network using a duplicate infrastructure, they'd almost certainly not get approval. Somewhere you've got to find a middle ground, and it leans towards line sharing. The third parties aren't getting a free ride here, they still have to pay to even get in. Somehow the electric companies made it work. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by Jodokast96 :Somehow the electric companies made it work. How so? I don't have a choice in electrical companies.
The answer is competition between wireless (3G/4G, WISP, WiMax, etc.), telecom, cable, satellite. You don't need 5 sets of cable hanging of off poles to have competition. And you don't need to share your infrastructure with competitors to facilitate competition. |
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ieolus
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join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to openbox9
That is EXACTLY the way to do it! |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Which, and who pays for it? |
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
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Uh, yeah, in a lot of markets you do. The company producing the energy charges their supply charge and then the local company charges a distribution charge, which is the same no matter the supplier. Even if your local company is your supplier, the bill is broken down the same way. Similar to long distance. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | I've never had a choice of electric companies in the five locations I've lived in the states. |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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said by Jodokast96 :No, but that way is more doable than everyone building their own. You know it and I know it, if another competitor came in and tried to build their own network using a duplicate infrastructure, they'd almost certainly not get approval. Somewhere you've got to find a middle ground, and it leans towards line sharing. The third parties aren't getting a free ride here, they still have to pay to even get in. Somehow the electric companies made it work. I've lived in about 12 states in my life and never have had a choice of electric companies. Now, some places have Co-ops as their power co. that has nothing to do with the big power company. Of course, the Co-ops here in Florida were out of power 2-3 times longer after a hurricane. I was out 5 days after Katrina and the Co-op area east of here was out for about 3 weeks. Co-ops are cheaper as long as no hurricanes. And, the co-op nearly went bankrupt as well.
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | Quick search showed it in some form or another in NJ, VA, OH, TX, NY, MA, and PA. Not just for electric, but gas too. |
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ieolus
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Duluth, GA
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Who pays for the dumb pipe? Doesn't matter at this point... first priority is to make the correct decision to move to dumb pipes to all homes. We can worry about who pays for it after.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Actually, you need to worry about the "who pays" first, because guess what, nothing happens without money. |
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informpage
Never Be Satisfied
join:2003-07-09
Forest Hills, NY | reply to supergirl
Well since you didn't have the choice, must mean it doesn't exist. (or more likely you weren't aware of it's existence). |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to openbox9
Most of the time you don't even know you can pick your electric company like your gas company in most areas. Electric companies stay silent the same as gas companies have been lately. |
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Mr_Northside
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Yes... but it's not total competition... It's only for "electric suppliers". Which for the average user means maybe saving a few bucks, or those people who want to purchase "clean energy" can select a company with windmills or some crap.
But if your power goes out, and you call your "choice company", they'll tell you to call the company that delivers it. This is where I think this competition is mostly "hype".
While everyone bitches about having to pay the electric bill, most people I know with serious complaints or issues have to do with service (power outages, customer service, etc...) At no point can you threaten these companies with taking your business elsewhere, because you're stuck with them |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| It's still not very different from line sharing. Another ISP is supplying you access and Verizon is delivering it. So yes, the local company or Verizon doesn't get totally screwed for building the infrastructure, yet other suppliers and the local company can compete on the supply side as needed. |
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