BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to NewMariner
Re: Isps Build your Own!
said by NewMariner  :I agree with Verizon....Why should they have to subsidize a competitor? If the other ISPS want to compete, then build your own network! Its as simple as that... Yes as somone else pointed out, dozens of companies continually digging up your front lawn or 50 bagillion wires hanging from a pole. REAL good idea.
Subsidize? Sorry those companies still have to PAY Verizon to use thier lines. Verizon isn't out anything. Show me where it says Verizon has to let those other companies use their lines for FREE?
Also if Verizon doesn't like the rules then they shouldn't get into the game in the first place. |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| said by BF69 : Sorry those companies still have to PAY Verizon to use thier lines. Verizon isn't out anything. Verizon is out something when forced to resell at a price below their costs. In effect, gov't is mandating that Verizon SUBSIDIZE their competitors. |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Netcong, NJ
| said by TK Junk Mail :said by BF69 : Sorry those companies still have to PAY Verizon to use thier lines. Verizon isn't out anything. Verizon is out something when forced to resell at a price below their costs. In effect, gov't is mandating that Verizon SUBSIDIZE their competitors. That's a complete myth. Their wholesale products (ISP buys backhaul into their ATM network, sells same product but with own IP, support, ancillary services) cost MORE wholesale than their loss-leader retail packages.
Their tariffed items like line-share or "naked" ADSL/SDSL are priced near the retail of buying full DSL service from them, plus they make money on CO co-location and power (figure near 5 figures for a single rack in a CO).
These generate more revenue per-line than their own retail products.
Note that they never produce any numbers when they make statements like yours that they "lose money" on wholesale stuff - that's probably true in the UNE-P stuff, but NOT for DSL. |
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Mr_Northside
@nauticom.net
| reply to BF69
Other companies and building their own infrastructure is the only way for real competition. In this day and age I don't think it would be as bad as having "50 bagillion wires" hanging. Not anymore. No one is going to build a competing POTS system necessitating huge trunk lines. It would either be some fiber-coax-hybrid or, if they're smart and do it right the first time, all FTTP. all of which can be strung together to look like one wire (or shoved thru conduit like Verizon does)
While some people may complain about the aesthetics of 3 or 4 or maybe even 5 (I doubt you'd get that much competition) companies having their own wires stringing about, it probably wouldn't look any worse than if you live near a CO where a lot of real thick wires branch out.
Admittedly, it would prove much of a challenge where wires are buried. |
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