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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

Wha?

I can understand ISPs doing a CYA with this kind of stuff if they can do it cheaply, but home networking equipment? Drop dead, NBC.

mikenolan7
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join:2005-06-07
Torrance, CA

Exactly why I picked up a lifetime supply of refurbished WRT54GS's from Fry's. They have superior chips in them to what is available in any 802.11g routers today, and they are $40 each. Also very easy to upgrade with OpenWRT. Open them up, solder in a few pins, and you can manage/monitor them through the serial interface. $40 and a few hours of fun elbow grease gets you a very nice firewall/router, that you can keep control of. When 802.11g disappears, they will still be good wired home network equipment. I bought 8 of them, because they will control my network when they pry my cold dead fingers from my soldering iron.



swhx7
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join:2006-07-23
Elbonia

reply to footballdude
Agreed, but ISPs can't do it cheaply, or probably very well at all. If mandated, it would be a bonanza for the purveyors of the filtering, and a constant burden for ISPs and their customers.

Would the ISP or the filter companies be liable for false positives? Would copyright owners whose works are infringed start suing for false negatives? How much would it slow internet access for the customers?

And at best, this would be trawling everyone's internet traffic for the benefit of the tiny minority of content owners who have the signatures or hashes or whatever of their movies or other files in the filters.

And pirates, being the clever jokers that they are, would merely bypass it with encryption.

Asking the world to stop to protect their narrow business interests is a desperate move on the part of a dying middle-man industry. Creativity will go on just fine, but these companies staked their fortunes on keeping the customers captive and lost.



Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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join:2001-10-05
united state

reply to footballdude

said by footballdude:

I can understand ISPs doing a CYA with this kind of stuff if they can do it cheaply, but home networking equipment? Drop dead, NBC.
There isn't even a need for a CYA type of deal. Thats covered in the DMCA.

Any ISP implementing this sort of thing is getting direct kickbacks from the industry, it does not benefit them whatsoever
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Fershlugg

join:2000-10-11
Torrington, CT

reply to mikenolan7
serial interface? RS232? Holy days gone by, Batman. (copyright some effin company that probably wants to sue me now)


mikenolan7
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join:2005-06-07
Torrance, CA

Yes, no web server, gui, or even SSH server running on a firewall. I'm old, forgive my outdated methods. I actually tried to use these funny-looking green pieces of paper to purchase a new mouse the other day. Had to stand at the front of the line while 4 people passed me to go to the multiple "credit or debit only checkouts".


Talis

join:2001-06-21
Houston, TX

said by mikenolan7:

I actually tried to use these funny-looking green pieces of paper to purchase a new mouse the other day.
At one point in my life I thought that, because paper and coin currency was the legal tender of the United States, that it would be accepted as a form of payment everywhere in the US. I had that silly notion dispelled rather rudely one day when I tried to pay for a purchase - I don't remember what, or where - and was told they don't accept cash - I had to pay by credit card or take my business somewhere else. What!? I was shocked - naively so, it would seem.

But it's true - no merchant is required to accept payment in paper and coin currency. Go figure.

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