TK Junk Mail
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|  Explanation of video identification technology
Here is a link that explains what technology that AT&T is using and what other ISPs could adopt:
»vobileinc.com/videodna.htm
The VideoDNA™ representation stays almost invariant for the same video content, independent of video resolution, aspect ratio, encoding bit-rate, frame rate, or file format.
The VideoDNA™ representation is distinctly different for different video content, resulting a near-zero false positive rate.
Each individual video frame has its own VideoDNA™ segment, making it possible to identify a video clip or sub-clip of any length.
More details on how this is implemented:
»vobileinc.com/solution1.htm
With VideoDNA™, video can be identified when it's uploaded to a website or server, when it's downloaded and played on user's PC, or when it's transported over a network. --
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DotMac
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| And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this?
Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. |
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by DotMac  :And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. This post makes a good point about encryption:
"More likely: companies selling VPN, or "virtual private network" services, like Relakks, VPNOut, and VPNTunnel, will see a boost to their business."
I don't understand the rational behind this claim. People pirate because they don't want to, or can't, pay money. I suspect all but the most fanatical will purchase content before they subscribe to some kind of elaborate bottleneck VPN service. People are like water, they choose the path of least resistance. I think it's a stretch that the big 14-25 year old group responsible for most pirated content will have their parents set up a VPN so they can pirate in peace.
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| That's true for VPN, but not clientware that features encryption (eg BT clients or newsreader clients).
I would guess that P2P and usenet is how must video piracy happens on the internet and both can be easily configured for encrypted transport. |
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That makes me feel a little better, because I am worried about legitimate P2P applications such as the client updater function of some software. I know of at least one college student who's software was hobbled by his school's network blocking all P2P traffic without checking for what types of files they were. Here was a legitimate, legal use of P2P being throttled undeservedly.
Still, my question remains:
If people don't have the money to buy something, does the company lose money? Because I don't buy hip-hop albums, does the company that produces the music lose money? If suddenly I start to like hip-hop music and download it, do they lose money? If I play the song for a friend who then goes out and buys it, do they not make money?
This whole battle against pirating stikes me as so much tilting at windmills.
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said by TK Junk Mail :said by DotMac :And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. This post makes a good point about encryption: "More likely: companies selling VPN, or "virtual private network" services, like Relakks, VPNOut, and VPNTunnel, will see a boost to their business."
I don't understand the rational behind this claim. People pirate because they don't want to, or can't, pay money. I suspect all but the most fanatical will purchase content before they subscribe to some kind of elaborate bottleneck VPN service. People are like water, they choose the path of least resistance. I think it's a stretch that the big 14-25 year old group responsible for most pirated content will have their parents set up a VPN so they can pirate in peace.
Huh? I don't know about you, but most of the 14-25 year olds i've encountered are more then capable of setting up a cheap VPN service without their parents help...in fact in most cases the parents would be the ones needing help getting such a thing setup
Also as another user said, if the data is encrypted on transport there is nothing Video DNA can do to stop piracy, to identify a frame of data it first has to see the decrypted data...which it won't.
This is another pointless plan by the industry, all they will do is force everybody to use encrypted links, increase overhead traffic, and ensure that they have no idea what it going on.
Then lets wait for the lobbyists to demand that ISP's must revoke all traffic that is encrypted since it prevents the goverment and corporations from finding out what users are doing.
This is the reason I left the ISP industry, there are too many hands in too many pots and the administrators of the network are the LAST ones to have any say about what goes on |
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said by DotMac :And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. nope!
the isp will just throttle all encrypted packets.
in the end the little guy loses[as always]
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| Sure, that is what I'm saying.
They can't stop or detect just copyrighted content. They can only slow it by slowing all similar transport which will certainly piss off legit users like, pretty much every telecommuter. |
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said by dvd536 :said by DotMac :And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. nope! the isp will just throttle all encrypted packets. in the end the little guy loses[as always] Sure, go ahead. That means you eliminate all subscribers that need to telecommute. These days, that's a non-trivial amount of people in major markets.
That also eliminates online commerce. Go ahead and throttle that.
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| Or we just start shaping our own packets to look like legit unencrypted data and the throttling is thwarted again.
This cat and mouse crap has to stop. The internet is a global resurce and we need to stop messing with it.
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| said by BosstonesOwn :Or we just start shaping our own packets to look like legit unencrypted data and the throttling is thwarted again. This cat and mouse crap has to stop. The internet is a global resurce and we need to stop messing with it. The problem with any "anti-" technology is that it's always going to be purely reactive. You're never going to have a definitive method of stopping something (maybe short of exterminating humanity). The moment you slow or stop something, people will come up with a workaround. Hell, that was the fundamental premise upon which the Internet's progenitor was designed upon.
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Three words:
Hamachi.
VPN on the cheap, no wait - free. Made for P2P and completely indistinguishable from other network traffic. My paranoid IT services staff cannot break it and they keep asking questions about it. Let them wonder....it's been a fun two years using it to obfuscate even my nerdy experts.
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TK Junk Mail
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Neilsen to unveil web anti-piracy tool
Another tool coming out :
»news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071205/wr_···ice_dc_2
Nielsen is unveiling a new service aimed at ensuring that video distributed on the Internet is done only in ways sanctioned by its owners, the Wall Street Journal said in its online edition.
The service -- which Nielsen is hoping to offer to media companies such as General Electric Co's NBC Universal, or the Discovery Channel -- could be announced as early as Wednesday, the Journal said.
Privately held information and media company Nielsen has already approached Google Inc and News Corp's Fox about the new service, the Journal said.
The service, called Digital Media Manager, will be available in the spring, the Journal said.
Digimarc Corp is its partner in the venture, the Journal added.
Nielsen representatives could not immediately be reached for comment. Here is a press release from Digimarc about the tool:
»www.digimarc.com/media/release.a···wsID=610
And more info:
»www.digimarc.com/comm/nielsen.asp
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