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| reply to wierdo
Re: Oh, there's a glut, just not of what you think.. said by wierdo:There's more fiber in the ground than we know what to do with. What is lacking is the hardware on each end. Unlike the fiber itself, most of which has had the construction cost cast aside in bankruptcy (other than AT&T and a select few other companies, that is), the hardware to light it costs cold, hard cash and lots of it. Not true , what we lack is companies willing to light the fiber with old equipment , instead they hawke it on the open market for pennies on the hundreds the equipment cost initially.
What we or I should say would like to see is the new fiber routes they acquired which are now dark BTW, be lit with older equipment that got EOLed out of service and is being auctioned off.
At my job I am trying to get this instated as well to save us some cash , these companies are bleeding money from little things like this.
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ricep5Premium
join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL | You are both right.
There is still alot of transcontinental dark fiber available out there. Just no nodes to connect it to (yet).
Transcon fiber is relatively cheap to deploy vs. an urban/suburban deployment where the majority of the demand is.
Based on my recent fiber discussions, its the poor revenue models some of the carriers use that are slowing them down.
Some of them want 100% post deployment revenue to justify the investment. Others are smarter and are looking for at least 30% post revenue to justify.
There was a time where the carriers would trip over themselves to install fiber to win a deal. Now many of them are pushing the costs back to the customers and telling them they have to pay for the lateral from the manhole. It's no wonder fiber wins are slow under this arrangement. |
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 jaaPremium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
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·Optimum Online
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| reply to BosstonesOwn
The cost of deploying and supporting the old equipment is not worth it. Why have 4 old pieces of equipment lighting fiber at 10mbps when you can have 4 new pieces of equipment, with the same support cost, lighting the same fiber at 10gbps?
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·Comcast
| Why lay 500 k out for a link that only sees 45 mbit use ? Instead move the carrier that is still in service that can maintain the expected need there and invest in your core routes.
The man power is still being paid even if they don't work , so keeping more fiber lit even if it's old equipment is still a good idea. They can use them as traffic relievers during peek usage. Some backbone engineers are saying they see 80 % usage with peaks in the 90's on a couple pops. Realize even an old gig rig could be used to alleviate some traffic from those at little to no cost. You can't just keep shelling out cash with todays economy and todays stock holders , they just do not accept that as an answer.
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·Cox HSI
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| said by BosstonesOwn:they just do not accept that as an answer. They are less likely to accept increased labor cost to maintain the old equipment and increased warehousing costs from keeping spares for the old equipment and increased support contract costs for keeping the support contracts on the old equipment.
Besides, capex looks better to shareholders than just about any other kind of expense. |
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| why keep spares ? thing dies then you rotate in old stock from another site , don't need spares |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·T-Mobile US
| said by BosstonesOwn:why keep spares ? thing dies then you rotate in old stock from another site , don't need spares Because if it's in production, you have to get it back up and running quickly, today, now, not in 12 hours, tomorrow, or next week. |
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| Forget it you missed the point. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·T-Mobile US
| How did I miss the point? You said something which I took to mean "when it breaks, use some other old stock from somewhere else," which I think misses the boat regarding reliability. |
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·Comcast
| When they upgrade it's not old stock per say , it,s stock that has been used past its service periods. Even if the equipment is 4 years old it's deemed replaceable and so it's swapped out.
Some of this gear is still quite useful and works fine. Instead of using it to light another strand else where they auction it off.
This gear is called EOL'ed gear which means end of life gear. It is not always broken, for example we are phasing out 3 ghz pcs at work , the are 3 years old and considered EOL. But 95% are running fine and 75% don't need a powerful pc that the newer ones provide. So instead of just boxing em up and sending em off to a dump to be destroyed we should cycle them to others , like receptionists and the like who don't need the power. The same should be done with routing gear.
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