Goober
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Naperville, IL
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Re: Is Arris Telephony modem really not Comcast compatible ?
said by tshirt  : Goober, It is a deposit. similar to paying a deposit to a landlord when renting or leasing an apt. or house. It certainly doesn't include the full value of the property/potential damages nor is it an offer to sell. I don't see that in the agreement. The section of paragrph 6 that I quoted above seems to pretty explicitly state that they are going to seek full damages, including equipment costs and related recover costs.
Also, I don't see any language whatsoever regarding deposits, etc. |
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rody_44
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Quakertown, PA
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4 edits | now your making things up. where does it say full damages?
it says a fee for not returning it. copy and paste where you see that. if you were a lawyer you wouldnt even be argueing your point. it says your responsible but it doesnt say that is what the fee is for. |
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cypherstream
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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Hey guys,
I'm going to stay out of the whole legal / ethics debate, but I do have a question regarding customer owned equipment.
Why is it that in the U.S. the only customer owned cable equipment legally obtainable anywhere (Brick & Morter, small shop, or even E-bay), is a Cable modem?
Why in Canada do even big box retailers sell Scientific Atlanta and Motorola digital cable set top boxes and DVR's? Even after the FCC's useless Separable security mandate, we still do not see the new remodeled set tops (sans cable card) at any stores?
Is it possible that an eMTA from E-Bay could of been legally purchased in another country such as Canada, or any other country that uses the 6 MHz DOCSIS 54-870 MHz forward path standard?
If in fact a eMTA was legally purchased, would Comcast activate the 'internet' portion of the modem? Why not the phone portion? Is it a matter of tight quality control while CDV is in it's infancy? How does this policy compare to competitors such as Vonage, Verizon VoiceWing, Packet8, ViaTalk, etc.. ?
Thanks, just curious. Even if you don't know, your general opinions would be great. |
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Goober
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Naperville, IL
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2 edits | reply to rody_44
said by rody_44 : now your making things up. where does it say full damages? it says a fee for not returning it. copy and paste where you see that. "You will be directly responsible for loss, repair, replacement and other costs, damages, fees and charges if you do not return the Comcast Equipment to us in an undamaged condition."
if you were a lawyer you wouldnt even be argueing your point.
Uh, okay? |
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mjh001
join:2002-09-10
Forked River, NJ
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More to the point, Comcast will not setup a ATA device they did'nt provide to you, plain and simple fact is that their techs cant add in the MAC address and confirm that the equptment is running their firmware or that it can even have their image tftped to it, as far as the stolen or not stolen bs, there is a lot MSO type hardware all over the net, most of ti is not stolen, most is decomissioned, dumpster dived, or perhaps even bought through resellers, most of what the providers are useing can be bought openly, however there is no thing to say they will activate your ata, set top box (laws are coming soon that one though to allow it), DVR/Te-vo or even you modem however they do... in any event the device they provide it simple an ATA and a Cable modem with a battery backup in one unit, the ATA is locked to comcast, however can be unlocked to work with other BYOD type providers or even your own IP/PBX system, and they will work well. |
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EG
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| said by mjh001 :in any event the device they provide it simple an ATA and a Cable modem with a battery backup in one unit, Whatever it's worth, technically, the device is considered to be an eMTA.
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gar187er
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join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
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i dont care if you claim to be Starr Joes, fact is CDV will never use customer owned equipment, because then whos liable if something doesnt work?!?! comcast!??! or the person you bought it from on ebay?!?! Phone is a lifeline.....do you want a POS EMAT that is either stolen or picked out of a dumpster?!?
the reason its stolen (yes it is) is that they are not sold to the public, period....so its belongs to a cable company....end of story..... |
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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3 edits | reply to Goober
said by Goober :said by tshirt : Goober, It is a deposit. similar to paying a deposit to a landlord when renting or leasing an apt. or house. It certainly doesn't include the full value of the property/potential damages nor is it an offer to sell. I don't see that in the agreement. The section of paragrph 6 that I quoted above seems to pretty explicitly state that they are going to seek full damages, including equipment costs and related recover costs. Also, I don't see any language whatsoever regarding deposits, etc. it is a deposit.
as a landlord, I cannot expect a deposit in the total value of a property, let alone the cost of cleanup of a tenant caused problem (i.e. drug lab residue, fire cleanup, etc( if they had that kind of money they could buy a nicer house for cash) )
however the deposit is to coerce (most reasonable people) to return said property, in the same condition as delivered, minus "Normal" wear and tear (i.e. normal usage for the implied purpose of a object) the deposit doesn't pay the full value (plus recovery costs) of the object, and withholding the deposit (with proper notice) does not release ownership (or the right to recover the cost of recovery, repair, replacement or prosecution.
YOU may not like their (CC's) contract, under tort law an offended party may file suit. OR if YOU think CC has shown willful disregard of common law and /or consumer regulations YOU could possibly find/solicit enough offend party's to file a class action (you'd be "ambulance chasing " to solicit client to pursue your own opinions )
CC contracts are somewhat vague, but as their lawyers see fit, (good luck with your claim in the real world). |
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Goober
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2 edits | Show me the language that indicates it's a deposit.
All the other stuff you said must be too complex for me, because it seemed like a bunch of immaterial nonsense. Landlord tenant law is completely different than contract law and the UCC.
And, why are you going on about torts and ambulance chasing? |
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Goober
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Naperville, IL | reply to gar187er
I guess since you say it's the end of story, it must be. Your wisdom is appreciated. |
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gar187er
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Dover, DE | your welcome.....its the least a cable tech can do for you!!!  |
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fiberguy
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