Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19581041 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:01:07 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:01:07 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19684963 mdrift : The Government didn't invent TCP and Al Gore was on the steering committees whose chairmanship lead votes made sure the continued funding for major areas of the future Internet were born.

At any rate, from RFC675

»www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc675.txt


SPECIFICATION OF INTERNET TRANSMISSION CONTROL PROGRAM

December 1974 Version

1. INTRODUCTION

This document describes the functions to be performed by the
internetwork Transmission Control Program [TCP] and its interface to
programs or users that require its services. Several basic
assumptions are made about process to process communication and these
are listed here without further justification. The interested reader
is referred to [CEKA74, TOML74, BELS74, DALA74, SUNS74] for further
discussion.

The authors would like to acknowledge the contributions of R.
Tomlinson (three way handshake and Initial Sequence Number
Selection), D. Belsnes, J. Burchfiel, M. Galland, R. Kahn, D. Lloyd,
W. Plummer, and J. Postel all of whose good ideas and counsel have
had a beneficial effect (we hope) on this protocol design. In the
early phases of the design work, R. Metcalfe, A. McKenzie, H.
Zimmerman, G. LeLann, and M. Elie were most helpful in explicating
the various issues to be resolved. Of course, we remain responsible
for the remaining errors and misstatements which no doubt lurk in the
nooks and crannies of the text.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19684963 Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:18:21 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19582491 Ignite : The relevance of this to the story is?

Have you considered a job in PR for GWB's government? Preaching the terrorist angle where possible could be quite profitable for you.

LINX, London Internet Exchange does over 210Gbps peak as an example. There are plenty of peering points in Europe, and those ISPs that might lose their peering have transit providers to take up their slack.

The internet is a decentralised network ya know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19582491 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:53:59 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19582184 jervin123 : But only when there are alternate routes, many ISPs have few alternate geographically diverse routes. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19582184 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:03:13 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19582088 karlmarx : Gee, the 'terrorist' card from a right wing nut case. Who'd a thought!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19582088 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:46:21 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19581701 BosstonesOwn : It won't do much damage , just introduces more lag , those exchanges are very well peered. If it was the Us , Japan or Brazilian peer exchanges I'd say yes we may have a problem. But there , no we don't.

We have many in Spain and the UK that can take up the slack , but it comes at a cost of adding latency and cost to the packets.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19581701 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:47:50 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19581041 aSic :
said by BosstonesOwn See Profile :

TCP protocol is pretty resilient to failures. Thats why the government invented it.
You mean thats why Al Gore invented it... :uhh:
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Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say.
Who is Ron Paul?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19581041 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:56:35 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580591 wierdo :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

It won't "Knock Out" all e-commerce, but it would put a huge hurt on it for a significant period of time.
It will, only if providers are as idiotic as they are here in the states about putting their eggs all in one (or two) baskets. I don't know how things are looking today, but as of a few years ago they by and large weren't being that short sighted.

Part of the point of a public peering fabric of that nature is to have many of them so that when one dies, it's not a big deal, unlike what happens when one of two or three private links between major backbone providers go out.

Back when we had that sort of architecture here, full on outages were much more rare. Granted, when one of the IXPs keeled over for whatever reason, latency went through the roof to most off-net destinations, but a complete breakage wasn't as likely.

I also think it's a mistake for AMS-IX to be that big anyway, but that's because I favor more decentralization of exchanges. IMO, just about every mid-size or larger metro in the US should have one, where the local ISPs exchange traffic with each other and the big outfits exchange traffic in that area. Nobody seems to want to expend the engineering effort to do that, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580591 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:49:22 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580080 TKJunkMail :
said by BosstonesOwn See Profile :

Theres more interconnects my friend. Just because it is the busiest doesn't mean a terrorist attack knocks out the interweb and ecommerce in europe.
It won't "Knock Out" all e-commerce, but it would put a huge hurt on it for a significant period of time.

An example of companies using the exchange:
»https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/isp/cho···t=Search]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580080 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:15:40 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580030 BosstonesOwn : Theres more interconnects my friend. Just because it is the busiest doesn't mean a terrorist attack knocks out the interweb and ecommerce in europe.

TCP protocol is pretty resilient to failures. Thats why the government invented it. With it becoming more expensive to buy into 3rd world countries I fully expect some one to start using africa as a major exchange soon. Followed by Spain And Iceland soon it's only logical now.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580030 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:06:43 EDT Re: AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580001 wierdo : More correctly, it acts as an interconnect for over 280 ISPs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19580001 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:01:54 EDT AMS-IX a key point of failure - becomes terrorist target http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19579977 TKJunkMail : When a hub handles that much of the data for all of Europe then it becomes a high priority target for terrorists. A hit there could affect the economies of the EU significantly if successful. I wonder how well protected it is?

AMS-IX acts as the interconnect for over 280 ISPs
Current traffic stats: »www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/
Topology(4 separate sites in Amsterdam): »www.ams-ix.net/technical/topology.pdf

An example of the companies using the exchange:
»https://www.euro-ix.net/member/m/isp/cho···t=Search]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19579977 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:56:13 EDT