Unions Take Aim At Verizon Fairpoint Tax Writeoff > Can't trust the union

Can't trust the union

reply to DotMac4
Regardless though, this much of the PR is true:

"you, the taxpayer, are in essence paying for Verizon to walk away from a neglected portion of their network."

reply to DotMac4
Of course each side is looking out for their financial interest, just as each side is (so I'm agreeing with you).

I like the proposal. How about working with VZ to do this, since VZ plainly want to. How about letting VZ take the $600 million (!!) write-off but putting $300 million into the proposed fund? Compromise?

By 'telecommunications providers', does the quoted article include Fairpoint? So the states could use the cash to subsidize Fairpoint's infrastructure expenses. Sounds reasonable...and much like the subsidies AT&T received when they faced large infrastructure costs.
KM

I would be against that in saying why shouldn't Verizon get to use the same laws that other people and companies get. Why should they be denied a right off that they're legally entitled to?

While Verizon shouldn't get preferential treatment (eg free tax money from Penn taxpayers for fiber than never happened) they shouldn't get unequal penalties either.

If they're entitled to the $600M in write-offs then they should get it. Some people seem to think that a write-off is free tax money when it's not. They just get to pay that much LESS in taxes and virtually every tax payer gets to take tax deductions.

Personally I don't think there shouldn't be any corporate taxes since it just ends up being consumers paying the bill and higher taxes results in less companies wanting to do business here thus less employees (and trickle down effect) who do pay taxes. But that is a debate for another topic.

There should be no "subsidies" at all. I would say let local residents vote to pass a bond for deployment and if the bond passes and that local money is invested the municipality representing those taxpayers repaying the bond take partial ownership in their investment.

Locals pay (other taxpayers win), locals benefit (locals win), locals get more control (locals win). And if locals get a say perhaps they could insist on continuing CWA benefit levels should subscribers wish to be so charitable.

Seems under a plan like that everyone wins.

reply to DotMac4
jumping on the-unions-are-evil bandwagon is so easy if you don't know the facts. Has anyone here thought that members of the union are employees? and those employees work with, and know the phone and internet technology better than most anyone. They as a collective, are trying to inform the uneducated that think that this is just some type of attempt to keep their jobs. They know, more than anyone, who Fairpoint is and what they CANT do. Its going to be all of us consumers in new england that pay for it when Fairpoint fails.

Stop being so anti-union and listen to the facts!
»www.verizonvsfairpoint.com/index.php

The union, like Verizon, doesn't give two squirts of piss about customers. They're only looking out for their own best interests which includes protecting their generous benefits packages.

Neither side can be trusted to spout anything but propaganda.

Do you forget that big ole bad union members are also the customers?
Second to that, what is wrong with someone looking out for their job? I assume that at your job if you find out one day that you may be downsized you're just going to say "okay" and apply at Walmart?

You are completely wrong about propaganda. Whether you believe it or not, the union has 95% of the time just regurtitated what Verizon or Fairpoint has said, but tried to bury. FACTS are facts. If you took your blinders off and tried to actually think for a minute that employees might be telling, at minimum, mostly the truth then maybe you would understand this deal. But because you are already biased against unions you can't see the truth, because you don't want to.

The CWA does not speak for customers, they speak for their membership.

Both the Union and Verizon have no interest in what is best for customer, only what is best for themselves.

Anyone who doesn't see that is a fool or a shill for one side or the other.

And of course, you being a "shill hater" can see right through everyone, right?

It's not secret that unions speak for their membership, but it is not such a strict interpretation of what happens. Those in unions know that they are the union, as much as the union is them.

They know that in order to exist, they have to work for a company that the consumers want. Fairpoint is not one of those companies. It's like a company coming out right now and saying that they can make Analog television work for the next few years, and make a profit from it. Copper based internet is a dying business. I know as a consumer, I dont want to be part of the next mini Enron.

Yep, it's pretty easy to identify shills. They lack objectivity and rather just spout an endless stream of talking points.

No one should take the word of any company or group who has a vested interest in the outcome.

Neither the CWA or Verizon can be trusted to tell the truth.

So, you would agree that you fit into your own "shills" catagory?
You know, that whole lacking objectivity and streaming and endless stream of talking points? Sounds just like you.

I have FACTS on my side. I don't need talking points, and my objectivity is not a factor. 1 is 1 no matter how you try to twist it, just like the facts that back up my point.. Where are your facts?

Yep, you got me. I'm a shill...a shill for the common customer who is continuously f*cked over by propagandists like the CWA and Verizon who couldn't care less about us.

The union is only interested in the union. Verizon is only interested in Verizon. Anyone who says different is either a fool, or a shill or a foolish shill just looking to shamelessly plug their lame website.

You can keep on spouting that union propaganda but the only fact in play here is money. Thankfully DSLReports readers are smart enough to see through the CWA and VZ smokescreen despite their shill mouthpieces vomiting an endless stream of BS talking points like a broken record.

The union wants Verizon to stay 'cause it means more money for the union.

Verizon wants to bail 'cause it means a quick 1/2 a billion when they bail.

Neither side gives two squirts of piss about what is good for the customers.

That's all we need to know.

With that I'm done. My policy is not to feed shills and I see I'm in violation of my policy.

DotMac,
Thank you for admitting that you're a shill.

I accept your apology.

Hopefully other DSLreports readers like myself will not succumb to your lack of objectivity and useless talking points.

reply to DotMac4
So, it makes it ok for big corporations like that should be able to use loop holes that should be nonexistent. Google "Reverse Morris Trust", shame on the pols and the courts for letting this loophole exist. Both customers and workers will lose if this sale goes through. This use to be an all (VT,NH,ME) deal, but since Vt wants no part of this, now they are contemplating a two state deal....What's that tell you!

No, just that both the CWA and Verizon are spouting propaganda to get their way and neither can be trusted to provide us the whole truth.

Never take the word of someone who has a vested interest in the outcome cause they'll say only what makes their side look right and omit whatever makes their side look wrong.

That's true not only for this situation but everything. Always ask what is their motivation. In the CWA vs Verizon, the motivation has nothing to do with what is good for the consumer...only what is good for the CWA or what is good for Verizon.