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 Chinese hack their way in to US nuke labs

»www.pcworld.com/article/id,14039···cle.html
Hackers have succeeded in breaking into the computer systems of two of the U.S.' most important science labs, the Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) in Tennessee and Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

In what a spokesperson for the Oak Ridge facility described as a "sophisticated cyber attack," it appears that intruders accessed a database of visitors to the Tennessee lab between 1990 and 2004, which included their social security numbers and dates of birth. Three thousand researchers reportedly visit the lab each year, a who's who of the science establishment in the U.S.

"Because of the sensitive nature of this event, the laboratory will be unable for some period to discuss further details until we better understand the full nature of this attack," he added.
Less is known about the attacks said to have been launched against the ORNL's sister-institution at Los Alamos, but the two are said to be linked.

The ORNL is a multipurpose science lab, a site of technological expertise used in homeland security and military research, and also the site of one of the world's fastest supercomputers. Los Alamos operates a similar multi-disciplinary approach, but specializes in nuclear weapons research, one of only two such sites doing such top-secret work in the U.S.
»www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Techno···7&page=1
A "sophisticated cyberattack" has been detected at Oak Ridge National Laboratory over the last several weeks, and authorities suspect the hackers are based in China.

Investigators have not been able to determine whether the attacks came from government or private entities in China.

Other federal labs, including Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico and California's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, have also been targeted in the scheme.
Given the targets, I suspect this is the Chinese government trying to hack in and not common criminals.
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Is anyone else besides me terribly disturbed at what sort of adversary China will be in 20 years?


gaforces
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Hopefully they will be our friends, cause they look mighty scary now Check out thier coastlines sometime on google maps, its unbelievable.


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said by Jeffrey See Profile :

Is anyone else besides me terribly disturbed at what sort of adversary China will be in 20 years?
Yes but I think you are way off. It won't take 20 years for them to become adversarial unfortunately.


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said by Jeffrey See Profile :

Is anyone else besides me terribly disturbed at what sort of adversary China will be in 20 years?
Yes. And here we are blowing all we got on a pissant-of-a-country like Iraq.

FYI, I DO support our country, so please flame lightly.


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China and The US will go to war. This is the third time China as been into our nuke program and/or defense systems. Their army has been growing out of control for 10yrs. Friends? With friends like this, who needs enemies?


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said by OldschoolDSL See Profile :

China and The US will go to war. This is the third time China as been into our nuke program and/or defense systems. Their army has been growing out of control for 10yrs. Friends? With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Yup. Agreed.


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said by Jeffrey See Profile :

Is anyone else besides me terribly disturbed at what sort of adversary China will be in 20 years?
Yes. And here we are blowing all we got on a pissant-of-a-country like Iraq.

FYI, I DO support our country, so please flame lightly.
And dont forget getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan.
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said by gaforces See Profile :

And dont forget getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan.
Indeed.


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China and The US will go to war. This is the third time China as been into our nuke program and/or defense systems. Their army has been growing out of control for 10yrs. Friends? With friends like this, who needs enemies?
What exactly am I supposed to see on China's coastlines?


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Is anyone else besides me terribly disturbed at what sort of adversary China will be in 20 years?
You could think maybe they Knew they were getting in and planted a bunch of misinformation....Na they most likely Farked up .
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Im horribly worried about our economy more then the chinese adversaries. If our economy tanks , china's will come down some as well as the uk and india.

And what do you expect we farmed all our work there , and now its biting us in the ass. Plus they are destroying the world over there at an alarming pace. Its bound to come to us soon sooner or later.
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The destruction of the oceans and coastline


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Thanks to US, and now Europe getting in on the Act, China will be the next world Superpower. Economically, militarily. Meanwhile the USA will be broke and unable to pay it's military (AKA Soviet Union breakup days).


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Last time I looked, they had seawalls along thier coastlines.
Its unbelievable because thier coastline is HUGE, and the amount of work is staggering.

I couldnt see very good detail on google maps, they could be fish farms. It doesnt matter what they are, the scale is amazing. Id like to see some close up pictures, but I cant find any.
It didnt go so well last time we fought »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_···eservoir
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_Faith
The only kind of war with china would be big bomb throwing, which would be unfortunate for the whole world.

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I remember reading an article about the Chinese military absolutely freaking out when the US drove jeeps and tanks in downtown Baghdad just three weeks to the day the US went into Iraq a few years ago.

Their generals didn't think the US could do what they did that quickly and efficiently. Because of this, they began to reevaluate their military strategy in case of war.

They feared if the went into Taiwan to invade, which is something they could very well do (WW III , anyone?) the US would be able to defend Taiwan with her navy and air force alone because of how efficient the military is.

Whole new strategies, at that point, were being considered.

Right now China has the ability to launch nuke missiles from her mainland and hit Alaska, Hawaii, or the US western seaboard, but that's as far as she can go from her homemland. All of this because of Clinton assisted missile tutorials. The Chinese had problems sucessfully launching missiles, and Clinton permitted US companies to go in and say, "No, you're doing X wrong. Here, do it THIS way..." This is also the reason China recently put a man in orbit and launched a missile into space destroying it's own antiquated satellite.

China has advanced some 20 years in the 1990's because of our help.

No, I'm not barking at Dems here. So no flaming. I'm just stating the facts.

China's military has more people in it than the entire population of the US.

Only problem is...how are they going to get HERE to the US? Their navy is small, but they are investing in growing it.

Nonetheless, their military buildup is insane.

I'm betting they will march through Asia and Europe and just try to nuke the US. Their form of world domination.

If anyone is familiar with history, during the Korean War, when China pushed the UN forces back into South Korea and almost into the sea, the US said, "Back off, or we'll nuke you."

The Chinese response: "OK, so we lose a few million people."

When the Chinese military launched a satellite killer missile, there was no response from the Chinese government for a LONG time, while the world demanded what was going on.

Two possibilities:

1. The Chinese government doesn't care.

2. The Chinese government was in the dark and the military did their own thing.

Either scenario is scary.


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Sure, blame Bill Clinton. I'm sure he personally oversaw that, and the the contractors and big business had nothing to do with it. Let's not forget who was funding China's Aerospace industry....

My point is, through greed, we moved all the industry and expertise and money to China that they will ever need to advance to Superpower status.... so when they do, we shouldn't be surprised.... we made it happen. And no, it's not "Bill Clinton's Fault" this is happening and will happen. It's about money.


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Look at how fast China is growing.Its going to come to a head soon.What i mean by come to a head is Pollution that will make love canal/Valdez oil spill look like nothing.They are on there way to it.Watch in the coming years you will see it.
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jholdren

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If China were to attack us, they would wreck their own economy. We are their biggest purchaser of cheap products. All that western $$$ is being used to expand their economic base. Basic rule - never piss off your biggest customer.

On the other hand, if something huge happens, and the US starts limiting/boycotting goods marked "Made in China", then I can see some sort of military action.

But it will take something huge. We have already pretty much forgiven them for poisoning our pets, and coating all of our children's toys with lead paint. All in the name of getting access to cheap products.


AnonChina

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Actually I call horse sheite...

China will not fight the US. No, they will BUY it.

Pay attention children, we are the most powerful nation because of our BUYING power.

Guess what happens when you elevate 60% of the worlds population from third world status to first world status?

Gawd... you techno wennies are so naieve
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